Acura: NSX News
#7241
Senior Moderator
WTF is their deal with this car and producing ANYTHING sports-car-like? It's almost like a rectal exam for Acura/Honda these days. Seriously.
#7242
I feel the need...
since YOU seem like toinstigate (1 week ago and today) when i am trying not to talk to you, if you haven't noticed.
For the sake of this thread, 911R is a limited run, that is the whole purpose. If you want everyone to be able to buy 1, get regular GT2, 3 or whatever.
For the sake of this thread, 911R is a limited run, that is the whole purpose. If you want everyone to be able to buy 1, get regular GT2, 3 or whatever.
But last point I will make about the R is that it was only offered to 918 owners, which sucks for anyone who seriously wanted to buy the hottest 911 with a manual. I'm hoping that rumors are for real when the Porsche whisperers are saying the next GT3 will have a manual option.
#7243
I feel the need...
#7244
Senior Moderator
#7245
Senior Moderator
Unless you interpret getting underwear all bunched up very differently than me and the rest of the people?
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ttribe (05-06-2016)
#7246
Team Owner
#7247
Team Owner
Porsche built 918s faster than Acura builds these NSXs
#7249
I feel the need...
And again, let me repeat: When is this car arriving to the dealerships?!??? Soon?!?? Please?!? Because, frankly...given the shenanigans of this damn car since any idea of the 2nd gen. NSX came out, it's been yes-make no-make yes-make no-make back and forth until...well, today.
#7250
Senior Moderator
It won't be "arriving at dealerships" anytime soon. It won't even be available for a test drive until they've exhausted early demand. They want early potential owners to order it sight unseen. I'm not that big of a fanboy to buy a car without driving it first. Except maybe the 911R.
I can march myself into a Mercedes-Benz dealership and sit myself comfortably in an AMG GT...no issues. Heck, if I really needed to, I can do the same with a 911 Turbo. Sure, it's no 911R...but, close enough for me.
Whatever, I guess I get the "exclusivity" for the car...but, gimme a break. Acura/Honda had positioned themselves so far from an "elite" perception that to do it for a car that few remember (unless a car nut) is odd to me.
Anyhow, again...whatever. Just hope it arrives SOON...no delays. I want to see Honda/Acura take the sales or positive reviews of the car and trickle high-performance SPORTY cars into their line-up.
#7251
I feel the need...
Of course, cars have to be prepped before delivery, duh.
#7252
Senior Moderator
I am just honestly almost certain we're going to get another "postponement" announcement.
So, you clear now? Otherwise, from what I've read and seen on the videos...this car looks great. Sounds great. Sure, it's a bit ambitious on pricing...but, whatever. If I am that rich, if it came down to it, at least I now have an Acura option in that pricepoint.
#7253
Senior Moderator
This feels like the name-brand goalie debate. Going in circles. Except...we replaced Moog-Type-S for Fibby.
#7254
I feel the need...
I don't necessarily disagree. As I said before, the rollout has been perplexing to say the least. Since this is their first real rollout of a halo car in 25 years, let's give them the benefit of ramping up the learning curve.
#7255
I feel the need...
#7256
Senior Moderator
#7257
Team Owner
I can say test drive at a dealership is not happening any time soon even somehow someday you can actually touch one in the showroom.
#7258
Team Owner
#7259
Senior Moderator
#7260
Team Owner
Was responding to your incessant 4G nonsense. Anywhoo, the day I snapped was a shitty one and took it out on you, so I apologize and will move on.
But last point I will make about the R is that it was only offered to 918 owners, which sucks for anyone who seriously wanted to buy the hottest 911 with a manual. I'm hoping that rumors are for real when the Porsche whisperers are saying the next GT3 will have a manual option.
But last point I will make about the R is that it was only offered to 918 owners, which sucks for anyone who seriously wanted to buy the hottest 911 with a manual. I'm hoping that rumors are for real when the Porsche whisperers are saying the next GT3 will have a manual option.
Well sucks yah, but like Business Lounge at the airport, if you want to get some free food, and have a comfortable chair to sit in, then you gotta pay to play.
Everyone else can stare and sit in the crowded waiting area, eating double of the normal "overpriced" Panda Express.
If you want a 911R, then you better buy a 918 first.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 05-06-2016 at 06:42 PM.
#7261
Team Owner
what happened to Moog? he just decided to quit one day when he woke uP?
#7262
Senior Moderator
#7263
I feel the need...
Well sucks yah, but like Business Lounge at the airport, if you want to get some free food, and have a comfortable chair to sit in, then you gotta pay to play. Everyone else can stare and sit in the crowded waiting area, eating double of the normal "overpriced" Panda Express.
If you want a 911R, then you better buy a 918 first.
And besides, we all know that Acura horses run much harder than super slow Porsche horses!
#7264
AZ Community Team
2017 Acura NSX Review - First Drive
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ttribe (05-10-2016)
#7265
AZ Community Team
2017 Acura NSX: The Slowest Supercar in the World? - Ignition Ep. 143
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ttribe (05-10-2016)
#7266
Team Owner
Airport lounges are overrated, at least the Delta ones are.
Hasn't 918 production ended? And just because I can doesn’t mean I want to. Why pay up for a garage queen in order to get the car I really want when one can pay 1/5th less for a car which looks better and can be driven every day on super awesome every day tires.
And besides, we all know that Acura horses run much harder than super slow Porsche horses!
Hasn't 918 production ended? And just because I can doesn’t mean I want to. Why pay up for a garage queen in order to get the car I really want when one can pay 1/5th less for a car which looks better and can be driven every day on super awesome every day tires.
And besides, we all know that Acura horses run much harder than super slow Porsche horses!
Delta is #45, the highest one from US.... fuking sad if you ask me.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 05-09-2016 at 05:02 PM.
#7267
I feel the need...
Detroit is a Delta hub so I'm pretty much stuck with racking up Sky Pesos.
Dubai is not on my bucket list, if I want to go to a mall in the desert, I'll stick to Vegas thank you very much. More eye candy and multiple time zones closer.
Dubai is not on my bucket list, if I want to go to a mall in the desert, I'll stick to Vegas thank you very much. More eye candy and multiple time zones closer.
#7268
Team Owner
I guess it is personal preference. I go to vegas once every other months, so while i love Vegas, it is not a "destination" anymore.
But the Qatar business lounge at Dubai airport is ..... like just a different league.
But the Qatar business lounge at Dubai airport is ..... like just a different league.
#7269
AZ Community Team
Thanks to “3DQ,” you can actually see out of the new Acura NSX
Thanks to ?3DQ,? you can actually see out of the new Acura NSX | Ars Technica
Modern supercars and hypercars are blazingly fast. Ironically, the sensation of speed they generate is often dampened by the fact that you often can't see a thing from the driver's seat.
Blame a combo of safety priorities and style. Over the last decade, crash and rollover regulations have dictated more robust cabin structures characterized by ever thicker, vision-blocking A-pillars. The regulations coincided with an in-vogue design language that gave us "turret-style" cabins from which to peer out.
With the new NSX, then, it's refreshing to see Honda put an emphasis on visibility in the design of its halo car rather than cobbling together a few sensors and a backup camera in the name of "safety." It's also not surprising. Cast your mind back to the 1980s/'90s heyday of Honda/Acura and you'll recall the pride Honda took in its airy cabins with low beltlines and superior visibility. The first generation NSX was lauded for its performance, dependability, and functionality, including cockpit visibility.
"The original NSX was known for having great visibility. Because of this, optimum visibility was a key structural target when developing the all new-next generation Acura NSX," said the Honda R&D team in Raymond, Ohio. "Therefore the goal became to reduce the field of visibility that is blocked by the pillar, what we call the obstructed view."
To achieve that goal, Honda designed the NSX's A-pillar and the roof side rails as one contiguous piece—strong but thin. It could do so thanks to a process called Three-Dimensional Hot Bending and Quench Processing (3DQ), developed by Japan's Sumitomo Metals Group.
Automobile components with hollow steel tubular structures have until recently been able to achieve a maximum high-tensile strength of 980 Megapascal (MPa). As a result, pieces like A-pillars have had to be enlarged to distribute the structural loads imparted in a crash or rollover. Prior to the NSX, the highest strength steel tubing that Honda had applied to one of its vehicles was hydro-formed 980MPa tube in the Japan-market Odyssey minivan.
Using 3DQ, the same components can achieve tensile strength as high as 1470MPa. The technique allows for components with complex shapes to be manufactured in one process. 3DQ is essentially a consecutive forming method; selected steel tube parts are heated and quenched with cooling water while a bending moment is simultaneously applied to the steel pipe with a movable roller-dice so that the pipe bends.
The process allows three-dimensional complex hot bending and quenching at the same time, producing effects that are difficult to achieve with conventional hydroforming and other cold-forming methods. According to Sumitomo, 3DQ yields a 30 percent to 50 percent reduction in component weight and a significant improvement in crash safety.
Such qualities make it ideal for applying to the NSX's A-pillars and roof rails. Honda R&D evaluated an array of other technology and material options including carbon fiber but ultimately concluded that 3DQ "was the most efficient balance of weight, performance and dimensional requirements."
Not surprisingly, there are other components which can benefit from Sumitomo's 3DQ process, and Honda acknowledges that the technology is being used for a seat frame by another OEM. Ironically, the NSX's Marysville, Ohio assembly line is in a former Honda seat plant, but the 3DQ pillars and rails are produced in Japan. They come to the US from the Koriyama factory of Honda tier 2 supplier H1 in Fukushima.
The new A-pillars give the NSX a minimum obstructed view, which you appreciate when rounding a corner on a city street or looking out to an apex on track. In addition, Honda says the NSX has a projected best-in-class crashworthiness.
"By comparison, we believe the NSX A-pillar width is 60 percent thinner than the average pillar width of the competitors we measured and 30 percent thinner than the closest competitor we measured," Honda said. "Our third priority was to maximize interior space [3DQ enabled a low roof line] to achieve unique packaging requirements such as a driver wearing a helmet."
The use of 3DQ also aligned with Honda's broader minimum weight goal for the NSX, and at 3800lbs (1724kg), the supercar can use every bit of help. Where else might 3DQ be of assistance? Honda says the process is scalable for higher volume vehicles, so we'll likely see the technology trickle down from the NSX. Conversely, 3DQ was selected and remains efficient for low-volume production because it does not require a large, exclusive investment.
That means we may see 3DQ-enabled A-pillars show up on other sports or luxury vehicles in the near term. Since "seeing is safety," that would be a welcome thing.
Blame a combo of safety priorities and style. Over the last decade, crash and rollover regulations have dictated more robust cabin structures characterized by ever thicker, vision-blocking A-pillars. The regulations coincided with an in-vogue design language that gave us "turret-style" cabins from which to peer out.
With the new NSX, then, it's refreshing to see Honda put an emphasis on visibility in the design of its halo car rather than cobbling together a few sensors and a backup camera in the name of "safety." It's also not surprising. Cast your mind back to the 1980s/'90s heyday of Honda/Acura and you'll recall the pride Honda took in its airy cabins with low beltlines and superior visibility. The first generation NSX was lauded for its performance, dependability, and functionality, including cockpit visibility.
"The original NSX was known for having great visibility. Because of this, optimum visibility was a key structural target when developing the all new-next generation Acura NSX," said the Honda R&D team in Raymond, Ohio. "Therefore the goal became to reduce the field of visibility that is blocked by the pillar, what we call the obstructed view."
To achieve that goal, Honda designed the NSX's A-pillar and the roof side rails as one contiguous piece—strong but thin. It could do so thanks to a process called Three-Dimensional Hot Bending and Quench Processing (3DQ), developed by Japan's Sumitomo Metals Group.
Automobile components with hollow steel tubular structures have until recently been able to achieve a maximum high-tensile strength of 980 Megapascal (MPa). As a result, pieces like A-pillars have had to be enlarged to distribute the structural loads imparted in a crash or rollover. Prior to the NSX, the highest strength steel tubing that Honda had applied to one of its vehicles was hydro-formed 980MPa tube in the Japan-market Odyssey minivan.
Using 3DQ, the same components can achieve tensile strength as high as 1470MPa. The technique allows for components with complex shapes to be manufactured in one process. 3DQ is essentially a consecutive forming method; selected steel tube parts are heated and quenched with cooling water while a bending moment is simultaneously applied to the steel pipe with a movable roller-dice so that the pipe bends.
The process allows three-dimensional complex hot bending and quenching at the same time, producing effects that are difficult to achieve with conventional hydroforming and other cold-forming methods. According to Sumitomo, 3DQ yields a 30 percent to 50 percent reduction in component weight and a significant improvement in crash safety.
Such qualities make it ideal for applying to the NSX's A-pillars and roof rails. Honda R&D evaluated an array of other technology and material options including carbon fiber but ultimately concluded that 3DQ "was the most efficient balance of weight, performance and dimensional requirements."
Not surprisingly, there are other components which can benefit from Sumitomo's 3DQ process, and Honda acknowledges that the technology is being used for a seat frame by another OEM. Ironically, the NSX's Marysville, Ohio assembly line is in a former Honda seat plant, but the 3DQ pillars and rails are produced in Japan. They come to the US from the Koriyama factory of Honda tier 2 supplier H1 in Fukushima.
The new A-pillars give the NSX a minimum obstructed view, which you appreciate when rounding a corner on a city street or looking out to an apex on track. In addition, Honda says the NSX has a projected best-in-class crashworthiness.
"By comparison, we believe the NSX A-pillar width is 60 percent thinner than the average pillar width of the competitors we measured and 30 percent thinner than the closest competitor we measured," Honda said. "Our third priority was to maximize interior space [3DQ enabled a low roof line] to achieve unique packaging requirements such as a driver wearing a helmet."
The use of 3DQ also aligned with Honda's broader minimum weight goal for the NSX, and at 3800lbs (1724kg), the supercar can use every bit of help. Where else might 3DQ be of assistance? Honda says the process is scalable for higher volume vehicles, so we'll likely see the technology trickle down from the NSX. Conversely, 3DQ was selected and remains efficient for low-volume production because it does not require a large, exclusive investment.
That means we may see 3DQ-enabled A-pillars show up on other sports or luxury vehicles in the near term. Since "seeing is safety," that would be a welcome thing.
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csmeance (05-17-2016)
#7270
Senior Moderator
#7271
I feel the need...
#7272
Suzuka Master
#7273
Senior Moderator
#7274
Team Owner
Obligatory: this whole story sounds rigged, Rick Hendricks was paid by Honda to be part of the story, it's all a lie, the vapor still vaporizes
I believe car number 002 will be worth a pretty penny also. It will be the first production numbered car available to the "public".
Haha. #2.
Personally, I'm waiting for numbers 007 and 069.
Because gangbang.
I believe car number 002 will be worth a pretty penny also. It will be the first production numbered car available to the "public".
Haha. #2.
Personally, I'm waiting for numbers 007 and 069.
Because gangbang.
Last edited by TacoBello; 05-24-2016 at 03:49 PM.
#7276
Azine Jabroni
#7277
Senior Moderator
Good. Now people can stop with the whining.
#7278
Senior Moderator
#7279
Team Owner
When the whining stops, that is when you know people on here really don't give a shit about NSX anymore, then this thread will be dead, even after the NSX is released.
When there is whining, that means people actually care.
When there is whining, that means people actually care.
#7280
6G TLX-S
^^^^^
Agree. No whining = no post = nothing to read = empty forum !
Agree. No whining = no post = nothing to read = empty forum !