heyitsme

I dunno, think a performance hybrid would do more for the company than a v10 ever will. It would, 1, beat toyota with their volta concept, 2, really help to develop the technology to a new level that could trickle down to all models, and 3, redefine hybrid.

teg_to_bike

IMA-type technology in the new NSX could trickle down to the other cars like VTEC did in the 90s.

SeCsTaC

I dont think that'd work because i heard that the IMA system recharges on slow gradual breaking instead of hard breaking that you'd do in Autox

youngTL

Doesn't it work just as well under hard braking? Or am I mistaken?

SeCsTaC

"In addition to providing supplemental motive power, the IMA motor acts as a generator during deceleration and braking to recapture kinetic energy and recharge the IMA's battery pack during regenerative braking"



source: http://www.hondanews.com/CatID2131?m...36553&mime=asc

Davediego

how does the word "regenerative" imply hard or soft braking? to me it implies that braking is used to recoup energy..., in fact I wouldnt be suprised if this could be used to shorten braking distance, so long as the IMA motors were tolerant

SeCsTaC

My mistake, your right it doesn't. But I remember a thread awhile back discussing IMA in that hard braking doesn't recharge the battery in the TOV forums.

Crazy Bimmer

How well did the NSX sell when it was first released in the early 90s? How much was it at the time?

Bmerc89

Total US 1991 Sales: 1,940
Total US Sales to date: 8,854
Total World Sales to date 18,000 +

And if I'm not mistaken, I think I read somewhere recenty that the price was high 60's.

oonowindoo

man .... 6 cylinder NSX cost 90K... how much would a V10 NSX cost??? 130k?

i dont care how great + fast V10 NSX would be but i am not going to spend 130,000 on an ACURA (any japanese car)

they should just produce a lightweight V8, high rev, fuel efficiency, reliable 450HP
keep the price tag under 100k

and then detune the V8 to like 350 HP into their full size trunk and RL.

SeCsTaC

If the V10 whooped on all of it's competition why wouldn't you spend 130k? It's not like it's going to be underpowered again, Acura's looking to go with the best. Seems like you just ignorantly don't like japanese cars.

Motohip

Wait...nobody said it's going to even cost that much...unless I missed something. And SeCsTaC is right...if it whooped on the competition I think people would buy it. People bought the NSX and it eventually became a lot slower than the competition that was also a lot cheaper.

I have no doubt that the next NSX will be amazing. It'll have technology that no other car has and performance of high end exotics. Acura's gonna start kickin' some ass pretty soon. Remember that Lexus and Infiniti is coming out with some pretty amazing sportscars, so Acura has to one up them. I know lately they've been a step behind, but I know they won't fuck this one up.

GreenMonster

The number $67K seems to be stuck in my head for some reason, but I don't know why...

Edward'TLS

The reason why the V6 NSX costs 90K is that (1) Honda prices it to be an exclusively expensive "supercar", and (2) the all-aluminium design and construction and manufacturing cost a lot more than conventional all-steel because the V6 is too weak to propel an all-steel car. So with so much torque and hp generated by a V10, the V10 NSX doen't have to worry about weight and can go back to all-steel design with a cheaper price tag.

gocubsgo55

...or keep the price tag and all-aluminum construction, and have that V10 inhance the performance by a great deal.

I wonder how they're going to keep weight down and balance the car out with such a large engine.

Ken1997TL

1991 NSX

$60,000 for manual

$64,000 for automatic

mrdeeno

Also remember that the NSX is over 10 years old...meaning 10+ year old manufacturing processes which would equate to lower efficiency/higher costs (considering it's "handbuilt" also). 10 year old is geriatric for a car, but also geriatric for the manfuacturing technology.

That's why modern cars can be improved upon with each coming generation while maintaining relatively low price increases...it just costs less to make them.

I'm sure Honda will incorporate this into the manufacturing process to make it more cost effective (maybe they'll stop "hand building" them and put them on a more automated platform).

Minch00

A V10 can still be lightweight, look at Formula1 cars, they have 3.0l V10s........

Edward'TLS

With a mid-engine layout, it shouldn't be very difficult to balance the car out nicely. The V12 Ferrari's handle extremely well despite the weight of the engine.

phile

Well aren't mid-engined cars inherently balanced to begin with?

I hope they do keep the all aluminum construction, but make it even lighter. The Corvette is only something like 100 lb. heavier than the current all aluminum NSX, so that's saying a lot about how far technology has come in terms of steel manufacturing.

Minch00

Aren't almost all the the V12 Ferraris front-engined, rwd? I'm pretty sure......



Now, Lamborghini, they're the V12s




Cept for the Gayardo

TL CHROMETIDE

I thought they were mid or rear engine....

Edward'TLS

I stand corrected. All mid-engine Ferrari's are V8. The Diablo is one example of mid-engine V12.

NSX-Tuner

For all those nay sayers who have complained about the current NSX being too slow for it's price, consider this. A number of NSX'ers have reported that they ran and kept pace with 360 Modenas both in handling and acceleration. So I hope that the NSX replacement will not be dummied down and made cheaply just to lower price, but have at least the same build quality as the current NSX.

Dan Martin

<cough>Enzo<cough>

gavriil

The Enzo is not front engined and it is V12 equipped.

SiGGy

hahahahaha

bigman

It wont happen. How do you detune a high revving v8 engine for truck use? You dont. High revving v-8's dont make the torque needed to tow heavy loads. Imagine a low torque motor needing to spin past 5 grand to gather enough torque to tow abig ass boat. That would be hell on a tranny and motor. De tuning it would be even worse. Honda needs a nice small displacement, all aluminum v-8 for some hi-revving NSX duty. And with the power that the less expensive Z06 is putting down, Honda needs at least 500 horses in a lightweight frame to compete. I'm sorry but saying the car handles doesnt cut it, most people who buy sports cars go fast in straight lines. And for the trucks, they need an aluminum head, cast iron block with more than 4.2 litres of displacement in order to make tq for real truck and SUV use.

Edward'TLS

Turbo diesel is the key to high torque truck engines. Honda has been churning out low displacement diesel engines for the European markets. Just increase the displacement and slap on one or two turbochargers, and here's the recipe for heavy duty truck usage.

TL CHROMETIDE

Don't worry, Honda will pull something out just like how the NSX first came out (mind-blowing performance). Honda will do the same with this one.

gocubsgo55

yeah, keep in mind 0-60 in 5 seconds was pretty damn good back in 1990 (right?)

bigman

That shit is good by today's standards as well.

gavriil

NSX successor may get all-wheel drive in addition to V10, Honda says - - YUZO YAMAGUCHI | Automotive News - - Source: Autoweek



The article above is quoting Honda's President, Takeo Fukui, calling for the next NSX to carry the company's SH-AWD system. He said:

"The SH-AWD is Honda's core technology, and using this well is the next step."

and

"Of course, we're thinking" about combining all-wheel drive with the V10.

Finally, Honda has stated that the next NSX will not be a front drive vehicle. Which, indirectly, suggests that RWD may not be the case, or may also be the case (in addition to AWD).

Yumcha

Hot diggity. That's fantastic news!

Yay!

TL CHROMETIDE

I knew the NSX wasn't getting FWD but SH-AWD with a V10 is going to be one heavy car. But if the Lambo's can do it, Acura can do it better.

gocubsgo55

. well, we'll see if they can keep that weight down.

srika

ack... I would have preferred RWD... guess they figure Lambo is doing it.... ?? maybe they think it'll justify a higher cost if it has stats comparable to a Gallardo?

NSX-Tuner

The SH-AWD with a V10 on the NSX replacement sounds great. However, I hope Honda can keep the weight close to what the current NSX is.

MaximaPower

that sounds impossible

but i'm very anxious to finally see good news bout a new NSX since the HSC got scrapped....i thought the NSX was gonna get scrapped all together

V10 + AWD =
i'm guessing the weight will be around 3300-3400 which still wouldn't b too bad

Motohip

Who cares about the weight as long as it's got some balls.

I have no doubt that Honda will produce a super-car that's anything less than amazing. They know what Lexus and Infiniti is coming out with so I know they'll do the usual Honda thing of making something unconventional and technologicaly advanced.