LiQiCE

Isn't this a ?

https://acurazine.com/forums/acura-news-press-33/acura-developing-successor-nsx-312413/

heyitsme

15 Years and its still too early to comment on specifics

The news will be when they have it ready.

gavriil

Hehehe...

The truth is that 400HP can be had out of a 4 cylinder engine if a manufacturer wanted to design it with as few cyinders as possible. Maybe even less than four in extreme cases.

I dont think it's about the number of cylinders as it is about total displacement, gas consumption and emissions related factors.

gavriil

For a car to have 400HP and do the 1/4 in less 11.0 secs, it has to weigh a lot less than 3000 pounds. Maybe even less than 2500 pounds. So I dont think that's going to be happening.

gavriil

Now that F1 switches to 2.4L V8s, it might be to Acura's advantage to actually get to develop a production version of that engine. Who knows.

gavriil

Yes but different subthread.

Professor Gascan

If Honda were to develop a V8, I would bet that it would be closer in relation to the 3.5L IRL V8s than the new 2.4 F1 V8. Rumours currently floating around suggest that Honda has Ridgeline mules running around with V8s under the hood. No word on displacement or power, but given that the J-Series is up to 3.5L, I would think 4.0 seems like a good starting point. Likewise, it has been suggested that this new V8 would make its debut in the RL as well as this new sports car.

My own take on the situation is that this car will be Acura's performance highlight, I don't think it will be the handbuild exotic that the NSX is. I think this car will be more of a production based model, more akin to a Corvette than the current NSX, and frankly, that's just fine by me. The cheaper the car is, the better chance I have of buying one.

gocubsgo55

^ very true, but the statement does say that it will be an "Ultra High Performance" car that is just as groundbreaking as the previous NSX. To me, that means V8 since Honda put its first V6 into the NSX of old. It also means, another NSX. However, that is only my opinion, and I agree, if it is a 'Vette competator, I am sure they will do very well with it.

In a perfect (but decently-realistic world), Acura would release an Acura CL with the same drivetrain as the RL along with the option of a 6MT if the 5AT is not what you crave, and a 2nd gen. Acura NSX with a standard 7SGB and 4.0-4.2L V8 with 450+ HP. Hey, with Mugen producing 600(?) HP out of their V8 prototype in the Mugen M1, I really feel Honda can mix revs, the extra 2 cylinders, a 12:1 compression ratio, and a smarter i-VTEC/ VTEC system that can land them 500+ HP out of a V8. From there, they can detune the V8 for each product they offer it in. The Acura RL can benefit from a 340 HP variant and the Honda Ridgeline can get a 310 HP variant. Maybe even the MDX will step in.

youngTL

Honda hasn't even pulled out all the stops on their V6's. It would be sick to think what they could do with a V8!

gavriil

A 4.0L V8 makes sense from a displacement standpoint because if Honda does put a V8 in production, it will probably be a small V8 (for V8 standards).

gavriil

Who knows, we might even see a V10 taken from the F1 program with BAR.

gavriil

Hehe.. After all, even Volvo has a V8 now, right?

cM3go

I'm just glad the NSX won't be dead.

NSX-Tuner

However, you will still be able to buy a new '05 NSX through the end of this year and into next year until inventory runs out. This is because Honda is still producing them and will until the end of the year.

Honda to Discontinue Production of the NSX Sports Car

"Production of vehicles destined for the North American market will be discontinued at the end of December, 2005. Production of vehicles destined for the European market will be discontinued at the end of September, 2005."

cob3683

So can we expect the 3rd generation (real 3rd) talk to occur in 2020 then?

Professor Gascan

That was already on the table, and American Honda told Honda Japan they weren't interested in a car that would cost at least twice as much as the current NSX.

I like this senario, but I would change it so the CL would feature the V8 engine pushing 400hp, 6sp manual, and SH-AWD. The NSX would show up using a mid-mounted V10 and a lightweight carbonfiber body, along with a VW style DSG transmission, plus a normal manual.

gavriil

Honda to discontinue NSX, develop new sports car - - Reuters / July 12, 2005 - - Source: Automotive News

gavriil

I cant believe they actually sold 235 NSXs in north America last year. I call this "selling well" considering the competition in this price segment.

MSZ

Because NSX in US is "cheap" compare to other markets.

gavriil

But it's not cheap compared to the competition.

NSX-Tuner

And what to you consider the competition? Be careful now, compare apples/apples...

oneilc

I would have to say the the new c6 is pretty fierce competition. Forget about the z06 model, that will just destroy the nsx of current.

gavriil

Z06

Only half kidding about the Z06.

ALso the Viper. Even a Maserati Coupe or Spyder.

gavriil

Here is more proof that the NSX is way overpriced:

When one goes to Edmunds.com and does a search for coupes that cost more than $85K one gets:


2005 Bentley Continental GT Get InfoPak
2005 Ferrari F430 Get InfoPak
2005 Ford GT Get InfoPak
2005 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Get InfoPak
2005 Acura NSX

I mean, the NSX has no place in there currently no matter how good it was in 1990 or now. It's outdated.

If it cost $60K-65K then it makes a lot more sense suddenly.

NSX-Tuner

BTW, I rode in an NSX last Sat. that's a whole lot faster that any stock Z06. But it was SC'd with about 435 WHP and fully set up for the track... This car was insanely fast. I've never been pushed so hard back in the seat before from pure acceleration.

NSX-Tuner

Got to admit, that's a pretty nice crowd to be included in...

I got my '05 for a lot less the $85k...

gavriil

So imagine if one SCed the Z06. 700HP at the crank would be achievable with a few bucks.

gavriil

Was it used?

NSX-Tuner

No!!! It was new.

NSX-Tuner

I'd much rather have a refined car like an NSX with 370 WHP than a 700HP Z06. But I've never liked vettes to begin with.

YBA

I don't know how much HP my ride has but all I can say is that I would race a Z06 any day of the week.

Frankly, the NSX may look old (inside and outside) and may be a bit pricey but I still think this car is a gem. There are a ton of faster cars and better performing cars but frankly the NSX puts a smile on my face everytime I downshift to third gear...

Before I got the NSX, I tried a 911 C4. Frankly, I had more fun pushing the NSX than the Porsche (didn't say the NSX out performed the Porsche by the way)... The seating position is almost perfect, the shifter is very tight and the driving position is really low. It's a question of taste.

Look at Rolex watches... Most models haven't changed design in years, the are very very expensive for what you get but people still by Rolex and they're happy about it.

Cheers

stangg172004

any rumors for a v8 from honda is

MSZ

Why is that?

So you think this "ultra high-performance vehicle" will have a V6?

gocubsgo55

they have Ridgeline mules out there running test V8s. Honda Indy uses V8s. The Mugen M1 uses a monsterous 600 HP V8. If you add to Honda I4s you get a V8 .

Seriously though, they've gotten pretty serious with it. The RL could really use one and the Ridgeline needs one to survive its market. Hell, even the RL just might be in that situation. Remember when Justin said the Honda V8 would be shared by 3+ cars? (was it 3-4 or 4-5?) It's gonna finally show up. Just remember, Honda didn't produce its own V6 until the NSX showed up.

ediddy

For all the people who don't own a nsx you will never understand why the car is so special. The car was not made for drag racing. It was based on F1 technology hence a track car. Now I agree with most of you for the money I think the nsx should have more power but on the track a nsx will out handle most cars or keep up on the turns with cars like the 360 modena. I can attest to that because a fellow nsxer owns a 360 modena also and he tracks both cars. Also some of you should know that Japanese automakers had an agreement since the mid 90s of not to make any of their cars over 290hp. Of course today they have thrown that out the window due to all the other cars being 300-400+hp today. I could have bought a m3, corvette, mustang or whatever. But I chose the nsx because of the exoticness, its beautiful lines, and the fact that you don't see a lot of them on the road. I agree with nsx tuner about having a refined nsx versus a 700hp corvette. Corvettes are massed produced and I don't want something that everyone and their mama has. By the way nsx-tuner there are 700hp nsxes out there and streetable. You can ask the owner of AEM he has a red nsx turbocharged running on alcohol putting out the 700hp. Put it this way guys if you ever have rode or driven in a 400hp car you will know that, that is plenty of horsepower for a everyday driver. Well thats just my 2 cents to add.

biker

Considering how much money Honda lost/is losing on the NSX it is certainly not over-priced. It costs Honda that much to make them.

Like the 5 series, there's a lot of costs in the car one does not see - the trick is that in today's world of HP and 0-60 times obsesed society, "hand-made" and "alu chassis" just doesn't sell.

waterrockets

Yeah, it's sad. Same goes with anything handmade -- no mass-market appeal to the Wal-Mart generation. Then again, you can't mass-produce handmade stuff anyway, so it's balanced.


BTW: sorry for the OT post of this topic in the TSX forum -- I didn't see the news...

gavriil

Why do you assume the Z06 will not be refined with 700HP?

When the NSX came out, there was no comparison with the Corvettes of the day when it came to refinement. THese days have come and gone though.

gavriil

Hey no one can or should argue with the subjective pieces related to purchasing a car. But the objective items should be clear to everyone. Things like price and performance are very objective items.

gavriil

There. All subjective items/factors what no sensible man can argue with you about. No argument there at all.