Acura: NSX News
01-15-2015, 08:00 PM
#4921
Team Owner
if you dont want people to complain, then don't be in the consumer product business.
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01-15-2015, 10:49 PM
#4923
Senior Moderator
01-15-2015, 11:07 PM
#4924
Team Owner
Development of the NSX took a long time because they changed the direction the engine sat, along with everything else related to the directional change and even engineered the fore site for future iterations... When the really fast ones come out. The new GT is likely a stand alone platform model that will never be utilized again and is powered by the similar setup type the GTR has been running for 7 years now. Big whoop.
And I'm not saying the GTR is slow by any stretch, however, Ford isn't doing anything ground breaking.
Last edited by TacoBello; 01-15-2015 at 11:10 PM.
01-16-2015, 01:11 AM
#4925
2G TLX-S
BMW has all three of those motors and is moving more and more to turbo charged engines.This is what makes them so special, not bending over nor sucking up to the US fuel economy regulations.
01-16-2015, 08:09 AM
#4926
Azine Jabroni
But plenty of high-end sport cars are still sticking to the good-old large-displacement V8/V10/V12 engines without using force-induction, such as Ferrari 458, Lamborghini LP 570/620/700/720, Aston Martin V8/V12 models, Audi R8, Chevrolet Corvette.
This is what makes them so special, not bending over nor sucking up to the US fuel economy regulations.
This is what makes them so special, not bending over nor sucking up to the US fuel economy regulations.
If the GT is faster than a 458, I don't give a crap if it runs on broken dreams.
01-16-2015, 08:45 AM
#4927
But plenty of high-end sport cars are still sticking to the good-old large-displacement V8/V10/V12 engines without using force-induction, such as Ferrari 458, Lamborghini LP 570/620/700/720, Aston Martin V8/V12 models, Audi R8, Chevrolet Corvette.
This is what makes them so special, not bending over nor sucking up to the US fuel economy regulations.
This is what makes them so special, not bending over nor sucking up to the US fuel economy regulations.
01-16-2015, 09:01 AM
#4928
Azine Jabroni
01-16-2015, 09:30 AM
#4929
Three Wheelin'
Better bearings, cooling and lubrication mean no more reliability issues like during the 80s and 90s. Downsizing the engine and adding a turbo or supercharger means better fuel efficiency without a drop in power output. Direct injection engines will be best.
Naturally, some exotics will continue to offer the big V10s and V12s, that's what you're paying for in some, but on the main stream daily cars, turbos are making a comeback.
As with anything new, we'll see new problems as well, like BMW's N54 engine and fuel pump, but overall, it's gonna be a good few years coming up for boost
Naturally, some exotics will continue to offer the big V10s and V12s, that's what you're paying for in some, but on the main stream daily cars, turbos are making a comeback.
As with anything new, we'll see new problems as well, like BMW's N54 engine and fuel pump, but overall, it's gonna be a good few years coming up for boost
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01-16-2015, 09:58 AM
#4930
Moderator
01-16-2015, 10:22 AM
#4932
Three Wheelin'
Even top gear commented that V12s have their days numbered. I hope not. I hope at least two or three OEMs keep offering a top model option here.
01-16-2015, 12:36 PM
#4934
Team Owner
^ yup, sure as hell won't make a difference for me, lol.
01-16-2015, 01:26 PM
#4935
Three Wheelin'
If I hit the lottery yes
01-16-2015, 03:19 PM
#4936
Senior Moderator
V12's have double the parts of a V6, therefore higher cost. Along with it comes more parts to fail! Plus v12's usually are large (besides the 3.xL ferrari ones) and smaller units don't make power early on in lower RPM's like a traditional engine of the same size but v6 would make.
I'm exited for a type-r. More carbon Fiber bodywork, maybe stronger electric motors with smaller battery to save weight (reduce e-mpg maybe). I absoultely love the NA2 NSX-R and can only imagine how jaw dropping the new NSX-R will be.
Does anyone know if it'll be the NA3 NSX or is it a different model code (VIN Model, like 2004-2006 TL is UA6, 07-08 is UA7, 09-11 are UA8, 12-14 are UA9)
01-16-2015, 07:52 PM
#4937
I can assure you, there is no shortage of engineers working at Honda. I can assure you there are many many engineers who'd love the opportunity to work for a company like Honda. You talk like they're in bankruptcy protection, laying half the place off. They may not have as many as Ford, but I'm sure they have enough to get the job done.
Development of the NSX took a long time because they changed the direction the engine sat, along with everything else related to the directional change and even engineered the fore site for future iterations... When the really fast ones come out. The new GT is likely a stand alone platform model that will never be utilized again and is powered by the similar setup type the GTR has been running for 7 years now. Big whoop.
And I'm not saying the GTR is slow by any stretch, however, Ford isn't doing anything ground breaking.
Development of the NSX took a long time because they changed the direction the engine sat, along with everything else related to the directional change and even engineered the fore site for future iterations... When the really fast ones come out. The new GT is likely a stand alone platform model that will never be utilized again and is powered by the similar setup type the GTR has been running for 7 years now. Big whoop.
And I'm not saying the GTR is slow by any stretch, however, Ford isn't doing anything ground breaking.
01-16-2015, 09:38 PM
#4938
Senior Moderator
01-17-2015, 10:24 AM
#4939
Team Owner
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01-17-2015, 01:57 PM
#4940
Midnight Marauder
01-17-2015, 05:31 PM
#4941
Senior Moderator
^^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Performance_Development
Honda Performance Development, Inc. (HPD) is a subsidiary of American Honda Motor Co.[1][2][3][4] which was established in 1993 and is based in Santa Clarita, California. It is the technical operations center for Honda's American motorsports programs and is involved in the design and development of race engines and chassis for auto racing series such as the IndyCar Series, American Le Mans Series (ALMS), Le Mans Series (LMS), FIA World Endurance Championship (WEC) and Super GT.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Performance_Development
Honda Performance Development, Inc. (HPD) is a subsidiary of American Honda Motor Co.[1][2][3][4] which was established in 1993 and is based in Santa Clarita, California. It is the technical operations center for Honda's American motorsports programs and is involved in the design and development of race engines and chassis for auto racing series such as the IndyCar Series, American Le Mans Series (ALMS), Le Mans Series (LMS), FIA World Endurance Championship (WEC) and Super GT.[5]
01-18-2015, 01:26 AM
#4942
Azine Jabroni
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01-18-2015, 08:11 PM
#4944
Midnight Marauder
Thanks guys, so the answer to the question is, yes they do have an in house performance division like svt
01-19-2015, 12:52 AM
#4945
Everyone is still butthurt that they dragged out the launch. Toyota did the same thing with the FRS. It's irritating but they do it because they have no interesting products in their lineup. So they roll out these concepts to tell people "Hey we still have a pulse". After a year of production everyone will forget about the cocktease like they did with the BRZ. Honda has become way too conservative though. Plus they are short on engineers, so development takes longer for them than a company like Ford.
The only things that give them hard-ons are used performance cars & sport wagons.
01-19-2015, 08:42 AM
#4946
AZ Community Team
While supercar world awaited Acura NSX, nobody saw Ford GT coming
http://www.autonews.com/article/2015...ford-gt-coming
DETROIT -- After three years of teasing, Acura was finally ready to show off the production version of the $150,000, 550-hp NSX. Comedian Jerry Seinfeld smiled from the front row as photographers jammed the risers behind him.
It was in that carefully planned moment that the Ford GT, which had been revealed about two hours earlier, arrived at its home on the next stand over, drawing a sizable crowd of its own.
Whether that timing was coincidence or not, the GT managed to steal some of Acura's thunder for the second time that morning. With even more horsepower than the NSX and almost no one expecting it, the GT barreled into the Detroit auto show the way Kramer used to burst into Seinfeld's TV apartment.
The supercar showdown quickly became the talk of the show, epitomizing the optimism and exuberance that has blossomed after several years dominated by modesty and practicality.
"The business case is never why you do a vehicle like this," Ford Executive Chairman Bill Ford told reporters moments after the GT first roared onto a stage in the Detroit Red Wings' arena....
It was in that carefully planned moment that the Ford GT, which had been revealed about two hours earlier, arrived at its home on the next stand over, drawing a sizable crowd of its own.
Whether that timing was coincidence or not, the GT managed to steal some of Acura's thunder for the second time that morning. With even more horsepower than the NSX and almost no one expecting it, the GT barreled into the Detroit auto show the way Kramer used to burst into Seinfeld's TV apartment.
The supercar showdown quickly became the talk of the show, epitomizing the optimism and exuberance that has blossomed after several years dominated by modesty and practicality.
"The business case is never why you do a vehicle like this," Ford Executive Chairman Bill Ford told reporters moments after the GT first roared onto a stage in the Detroit Red Wings' arena....
01-19-2015, 10:42 AM
#4947
AZ Community Team
Fernando Alonso Teases Honda, Likes the Acura NSX
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01-19-2015, 06:43 PM
#4948
I feel the need...
I hardly think a prospective NSX buyer will remember a lame dress down of the NSX rollout after they drive one.
01-20-2015, 03:36 PM
#4949
AZ Community Team
So true, Jalopnik is becoming less relevant every time they publish a overly dramatic article. Amusing but nowhere near Edmunds and others for consumer impact I'd imagine.
01-20-2015, 03:55 PM
#4950
AZ Community Team
NA1 came out with 270hp. the 4AT model had 252hp. And the NA2 6MT had 290hp in North America. All of that is true.
But I wasn't talking about that. Like Ken is saying, VTEC wasn't in the 1989 NSX prototype, and that limited the output to 250hp. However, in response to the rumours that Ferrari would upgrade its 270hp 328GTB to 300 hp 348tb, VTEC was eventually carried over from the Japan-bounded CRX and Integra, hence adding 20 more horses.
Does that sound familiar? Ferrari is upgrading (replacing) the 458 Italia with something else that makes 650hp, and if the original goal of the NSX is 580hp, then Acura might need to respond with upping the output too. If Acura had announced 580hp yesterday, and the 458 Italia comes with 650hp, then Acura would have to FOLLOW Ferrari. Apparently, "FOLLOW" is not what people here want.
I think if it was NA, the ideally 90 degrees would be good for lower CG.
But with TT, 75 degrees allows for better packaging to go 75 degree by providing more room for the two turbos and piping between the heads and the floor. Going to 60 degrees would mean higher/worse CG.
The Honda/HPD Indy HR22t and HR22tt have the same 75 degree angle.
I think the tradeoff is smoothness. But that's fine since this is a sports car, not a luxury sedan.
But I wasn't talking about that. Like Ken is saying, VTEC wasn't in the 1989 NSX prototype, and that limited the output to 250hp. However, in response to the rumours that Ferrari would upgrade its 270hp 328GTB to 300 hp 348tb, VTEC was eventually carried over from the Japan-bounded CRX and Integra, hence adding 20 more horses.
Does that sound familiar? Ferrari is upgrading (replacing) the 458 Italia with something else that makes 650hp, and if the original goal of the NSX is 580hp, then Acura might need to respond with upping the output too. If Acura had announced 580hp yesterday, and the 458 Italia comes with 650hp, then Acura would have to FOLLOW Ferrari. Apparently, "FOLLOW" is not what people here want.
I think if it was NA, the ideally 90 degrees would be good for lower CG.
But with TT, 75 degrees allows for better packaging to go 75 degree by providing more room for the two turbos and piping between the heads and the floor. Going to 60 degrees would mean higher/worse CG.
The Honda/HPD Indy HR22t and HR22tt have the same 75 degree angle.
I think the tradeoff is smoothness. But that's fine since this is a sports car, not a luxury sedan.
Was not aware the Indycar motor was also 75o as well. Yeah a 60 or 90 would work better for primary/secondary balance, but that's probably the higher requirement in the NSX.
01-20-2015, 08:19 PM
#4951
Senior Moderator
Could be performance/torque related, much like the Zr1 and i believe the cts-v used 2 different dia shafts as well between the 2 wheels
01-29-2015, 11:11 AM
#4952
AZ Community Team
http://www.cnet.com/pictures/acura-nsx/
The 2016 NSX is the high-tech return of Acura's classic supercar (pictures) - CNET
nice assortment of pics with red 2G NSX
nice assortment of pics with red 2G NSX
02-11-2015, 10:25 AM
#4953
mrgold35
This is probably a repost for the NSX Type-R, 2/10/15 article:
Acura NSX Type-R Rendered » AutoGuide.com News
Acura NSX Type-R Rendered » AutoGuide.com News
02-11-2015, 10:58 AM
#4955
Azine Jabroni
02-11-2015, 11:05 AM
#4956
Senior Moderator
Look, don't give a fark about the Type R yet...give us SOME STATS, HONDA!!! 
02-15-2015, 01:03 PM
#4959
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02-15-2015, 01:37 PM
#4960
Senior Moderator
Exposed latches.................Do not want