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07-29-2004, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I was reading the current version of EVO Magazine and they confirmed that sources from Japan say that the NSX is axed indeed. The reason is because Honda will invest in building a "big GT" car to go against the Mercedes SL and Bentley Continental GT. Also, they mentioned that Honda will probably cave in to pressure from the USAmerican market for a closer compeitor to the Boxster and combining that, with the fact that there are no plans for a next generation S2000, chances are that the S2000 is also axed (at least in its current form).
I find it interesting that Honda wants to build an SL fighter, but my first thought was: "can you build an SL competitor without a V8?" Could that be the signal for Honda, at last producing a V8?
I find it interesting that Honda wants to build an SL fighter, but my first thought was: "can you build an SL competitor without a V8?" Could that be the signal for Honda, at last producing a V8?
Whoa. My thoughts exactly. Could Honda finally be developing a V8? If so, it's great news for Acura. Since the lowest engine choice for the SL offered in the U.S. is a V8, they'd better be developing V8... and the Continental GT? Please. One fantastic hurdle at a time. I hope they do make the V8; that could hopefully lead to a V8 flagship for Acura in addition to an SL competitor. Still, I hate to see the NSX go.
07-29-2004, 05:44 PM
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Hmm...I'm not liking the NSX axe nor do I like the SL fighter. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the SL...but the SL is a GT...a boulevarder...a soft, plush cruiser...and that really goes against the Honda/Acura image. The NSX was a decent halo car and one that would be enginered to compete with the upcoming Ferarri would be awesome.
Personally, I'd like to see them strip down the current NSX a tad, throw the 270hp 3.2liter from the TL and market it as a $45K Boxster S fighter. Aluminum frame, mid-engine, rwd, 270hp...that has Boxster S competition written all over it. I wouldn't mind if they kept the T-top too instead of going vert.
THEN they should also produce the HSC as the Ferarri fighter. (but it needs atleast 400hp)
Personally, I'd like to see them strip down the current NSX a tad, throw the 270hp 3.2liter from the TL and market it as a $45K Boxster S fighter. Aluminum frame, mid-engine, rwd, 270hp...that has Boxster S competition written all over it. I wouldn't mind if they kept the T-top too instead of going vert.
THEN they should also produce the HSC as the Ferarri fighter. (but it needs atleast 400hp)
07-30-2004, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by AcuraFan
Personally, I'd like to see them strip down the current NSX a tad, throw the 270hp 3.2liter from the TL and market it as a $45K Boxster S fighter. Aluminum frame, mid-engine, rwd, 270hp...that has Boxster S competition written all over it. I wouldn't mind if they kept the T-top too instead of going vert.
THEN they should also produce the HSC as the Ferarri fighter. (but it needs atleast 400hp)
THEN they should also produce the HSC as the Ferarri fighter. (but it needs atleast 400hp)
07-30-2004, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AcuraFan
THEN they should also produce the HSC as the Ferarri fighter. (but it needs atleast 400hp)
07-30-2004, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
And 400 would probably not cut it. THe next Modena will offer 450HP and will be light enough.
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...=1#post1966217
07-30-2004, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
You're right. What I was getting at is the 350hp they suggested will definitely not be enough.
07-30-2004, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Striping the NSX "a tad" would not have resulted in a possible $45K price. Aluminum frames cost a ton. Aint that easy.
Speaking of which...any word on the frame in the new RL? Will that be aluminum?
07-30-2004, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Striping the NSX "a tad" would not have resulted in a possible $45K price. Aluminum frames cost a ton. Aint that easy.
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07-30-2004, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraFan
I still think it could be done. You start mass producing the NSX and costs will come down. Isn't the new RL going to make heavy (no pun intended) use of aluminum in a loaded luxury car for around (or under) $50K...I think they could make a sports car with less in it for less.
Speaking of which...any word on the frame in the new RL? Will that be aluminum?
Speaking of which...any word on the frame in the new RL? Will that be aluminum?
Forget about Acura. Look at the Germans. Audi was the pioneer in aluminum construction and BMW now is following closely. The best they have achieved is what we see in the 5 series. A little less than half the car is aluminum. So you need to sell as many 5ers as BMW will sell, in that price range, for a 40% aluminum made car to make sense.
Do the math.
A striped NSX to go against the Boxter in no way can sell even a third of what the 5er will around the world. And your premise suggests ALL aluminum.
In other words, financially it's a bad idea.
07-30-2004, 10:07 PM
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In this video here the reporter's last words are:
"Honda build something else. Step away from the NSX!"
And from the rumors of it...it looks like they are doing just that.
"Honda build something else. Step away from the NSX!"
And from the rumors of it...it looks like they are doing just that.
08-01-2004, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Do the math.
A striped NSX to go against the Boxter in no way can sell even a third of what the 5er will around the world. And your premise suggests ALL aluminum.
In other words, financially it's a bad idea.
A striped NSX to go against the Boxter in no way can sell even a third of what the 5er will around the world. And your premise suggests ALL aluminum.
In other words, financially it's a bad idea.
That's why I said strip it down. Maybe you don't need to use ALL aluminum. From what I understand, the new RL will be using a lot more aluminum...and I think if a $50K sedan can get away with using more aluminum, then I think a sports car can. It's not like this suggested sports car will be a high volume or high margin car...I know Honda wouldn't expect to make much (or any) money off the deal anyway.
I still think it's possible to do and still be proportionately cost-effective for the segment though I know it will never happen.
08-02-2004, 03:18 PM
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EVO confirms this in this months issue. No more NSX, no S2000 replacement. Honda is thinking of a big GT coupe instead, I am positive built off the AWD RL platform.
Reasons being.
1. No good business case for the NSX.
2. Designers couldn't get the HSC to work and come into agreement
Reasons being.
1. No good business case for the NSX.
2. Designers couldn't get the HSC to work and come into agreement
08-02-2004, 04:04 PM
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Think these mags just feed off each others misinformation, I really doubt Honda would announce they are making a new nsx, but then all of a sudden scrap it.
current us car.
Which one are you referring to?
08-03-2004, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by AcuraFan
That's why I said strip it down. Maybe you don't need to use ALL aluminum. From what I understand, the new RL will be using a lot more aluminum...and I think if a $50K sedan can get away with using more aluminum, then I think a sports car can. It's not like this suggested sports car will be a high volume or high margin car...I know Honda wouldn't expect to make much (or any) money off the deal anyway.
I still think it's possible to do and still be proportionately cost-effective for the segment though I know it will never happen.
I still think it's possible to do and still be proportionately cost-effective for the segment though I know it will never happen.
If the NSX is made out of steel it will weigh as much as our CLS or more.
08-03-2004, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
EVO confirms this in this months issue. No more NSX, no S2000 replacement. Honda is thinking of a big GT coupe instead, I am positive built off the AWD RL platform.
Reasons being.
1. No good business case for the NSX.
2. Designers couldn't get the HSC to work and come into agreement
Reasons being.
1. No good business case for the NSX.
2. Designers couldn't get the HSC to work and come into agreement
See my post in green in page 8.
12-15-2004, 09:40 AM
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TOV is reporting.....
The latest issue of Car-Mode (Japanese Magazine) claims to have a scoop on the next NSX-R, predicting that it will feature a turbocharged V8 good for 500ps, which matches the predicted output of the upcoming Skyline GT-R and surpasses Toyota's upcoming GT supercar by 50ps.
While turbochargers haven't been used by Honda very frequently in the past, for the past 18 months or so there have been lots of whispers surrounding the secret development of turbo Hondas.
While turbochargers haven't been used by Honda very frequently in the past, for the past 18 months or so there have been lots of whispers surrounding the secret development of turbo Hondas.
12-15-2004, 09:50 AM
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Hmm...a most intriguing development...
I really think one of the great things about the NSX is the throttle response. A turbo would definitely cause problems with this. I hope there really is a V8 being produced...that'd be reason enough for me to work even harder so that I could get one.
I really think one of the great things about the NSX is the throttle response. A turbo would definitely cause problems with this. I hope there really is a V8 being produced...that'd be reason enough for me to work even harder so that I could get one.
12-15-2004, 09:51 AM
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If Honda builds a V8 that will in all likely hood be anywhere from 4.3 to 5.0L, I'm fairly certain they can get to 500HP WITHOUT using a Turbo.
Use Ferrari's F430 as an example. 483HP from a 4.3L V8. Now if they want 450-500lb-ft of TQ, then a Turbo would definently be benificial.
Use Ferrari's F430 as an example. 483HP from a 4.3L V8. Now if they want 450-500lb-ft of TQ, then a Turbo would definently be benificial.
12-15-2004, 09:55 AM
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If Honda builds a V8 that will in all likely hood be anywhere from 4.3 to 5.0L, I'm fairly certain they can get to 500HP WITHOUT using a Turbo.
Use Ferrari's F430 as an example. 483HP from a 4.3L V8. Now if they want 450-500lb-ft of TQ, then a Turbo would definently be benificial.
Use Ferrari's F430 as an example. 483HP from a 4.3L V8. Now if they want 450-500lb-ft of TQ, then a Turbo would definently be benificial.
, which is why the likelihood of turbo on the R version of the NSX seems reasonable.I don't think it would really take much for Honda to produce a 4.4L engine with 480hp. Two S2k blocks mated on a common crankshaft, perhaps?
12-15-2004, 10:27 AM
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I don't really wanna register at that site to learn more, so does anyone know, or did the info say when this car might be hitting the streets?
My entire quote is all the info that there.
12-15-2004, 11:23 AM
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Holly resurection. 
I just don't see Honda going the big HP route nor even the V8 route. And getting 500HP via NA out of anything less than a 5L V8 would be difficult (look at all the tricks BMW had to do to get 500HP out their M5 V10). Plus the size and weight of such an engine would mean a much bigger and heavier car - juts not the Honda way. If it's going to happen I can see 400HP+ out of a FI V6 a la the GT-R. And for kicks, they'll throw in there the SH-AWD and lower the price to make it on par with the GT-R and Supra. Since both the Supra and GT-R are not due until 07, they have time yet.
I just don't see Honda going the big HP route nor even the V8 route. And getting 500HP via NA out of anything less than a 5L V8 would be difficult (look at all the tricks BMW had to do to get 500HP out their M5 V10). Plus the size and weight of such an engine would mean a much bigger and heavier car - juts not the Honda way. If it's going to happen I can see 400HP+ out of a FI V6 a la the GT-R. And for kicks, they'll throw in there the SH-AWD and lower the price to make it on par with the GT-R and Supra. Since both the Supra and GT-R are not due until 07, they have time yet.
12-15-2004, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by domn
If Honda builds a V8 that will in all likely hood be anywhere from 4.3 to 5.0L, I'm fairly certain they can get to 500HP WITHOUT using a Turbo.
Use Ferrari's F430 as an example. 483HP from a 4.3L V8. Now if they want 450-500lb-ft of TQ, then a Turbo would definently be benificial.
Use Ferrari's F430 as an example. 483HP from a 4.3L V8. Now if they want 450-500lb-ft of TQ, then a Turbo would definently be benificial.
500hp turbo is feasible hands down with a reliable 3.5L V8.
12-15-2004, 11:43 AM
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OMG!!! Now that (LS2) would be something.
Oh and while we're at it the C5R 427 would be just
+ :wetpants:
Oh and while we're at it the C5R 427 would be just
+ :wetpants:I mean..why not... Saturn's using Honda engines..
12-15-2004, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by sauceman
If ever Honda was to build a V8, I'd be willing to put my money on the idea that it will be of lesser displacement than 4.0L. And it will be a low-torque screamer just like Ferrari's 360 Modena.
500hp turbo is feasible hands down with a reliable 3.5L V8.
500hp turbo is feasible hands down with a reliable 3.5L V8.
A V8 smaller than 4.0Litres is these days unheard of. Then again, this is Honda. The 7.0L LS7 would be nice but can you imagine Honda using a Pushrod? I don't think so. 
12-15-2004, 11:50 AM
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Ferrari's 360 Modena is 3.6L
Audi AG uses also a 3.6L V8 I believe in some applications.
Basically, a small V8 under 4L will be either square or super-square, and meant for high-revs. And I mean 8000+ RPMs
In the context of FI or IMA enhancement, sub-4L V8 would be a perfectly logical move for Honda, as long as they'd consent in building a V8, which I don't believe is a given at all.
Audi AG uses also a 3.6L V8 I believe in some applications.
Basically, a small V8 under 4L will be either square or super-square, and meant for high-revs. And I mean 8000+ RPMs
In the context of FI or IMA enhancement, sub-4L V8 would be a perfectly logical move for Honda, as long as they'd consent in building a V8, which I don't believe is a given at all.
12-15-2004, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sauceman
Ferrari's 360 Modena is 3.6L
Audi AG uses also a 3.6L V8 I believe in some applications.
Basically, a small V8 under 4L will be either square or super-square, and meant for high-revs. And I mean 8000+ RPMs
In the context of FI or IMA enhancement, sub-4L V8 would be a perfectly logical move for Honda, as long as they'd consent in building a V8, which I don't believe is a given at all.
Audi AG uses also a 3.6L V8 I believe in some applications.
Basically, a small V8 under 4L will be either square or super-square, and meant for high-revs. And I mean 8000+ RPMs
In the context of FI or IMA enhancement, sub-4L V8 would be a perfectly logical move for Honda, as long as they'd consent in building a V8, which I don't believe is a given at all.
Forgot about the 360. But still a very rare engine size. But remember sauce, if Honda does build the V8, ideallly they'd want to use it in the RL and maybe a truck as well. So a 4.0 litre + V8 would be more versatile.
12-15-2004, 11:55 AM
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Considering that Honda already has a 3.5L V6 and a 3.7L (or was it 3.8L) one due soon to power the Ridgeline truck, I would find it hard to believe that a Honda V8 would be smaller than 4.0L at this time. Plus, if they go with the current cylinder size, the approximate estimated displacement should be roughly 4.3L based on the 3.2L or 4.7 based on the 3.5L.
