Notices
Automotive News
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Acura: ILX News

 
Old 01-10-2012, 04:08 AM
  #201  
Registered Member
 
Colin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 6,802
Received 1,010 Likes on 565 Posts
Originally Posted by knavinusa View Post
I think that's a reasonable explanation. Still, I think they would do well to have a six-speed auto for the smaller engines too.
I'd guess that they looked into the future and saw that CVTs were going to be the way to go. Since a new transmission family would be expected to have a 'shelf life' of 10-15 years, they probably didn't want to be doing a 4 cyl 6AT in 2025. From what Jeff at TOV has said, the new family of Earth Dreams CVTs work pretty good. I guess we'll have to wait to see IF this gets these new trannys at all, and then we'll have to wait to see how they feel.

Personally, I have an open mind. The promise of CVTs is there, I just never liked the way the engine never 'revs' up. In my heart I understand that keeping the motor in it's sweet spot has benefits, but I want to feel the engine 'pull' through the range. Of course, I'd MUCH rather see the 6MT from the CR-Z in the Hybrid and 2.0.
Colin is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 05:28 AM
  #202  
Pinky all stinky
 
phile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 20,499
Received 118 Likes on 71 Posts
thanx for the vids! i can see they finally addressed headlights. it's got those Audi-esque curves inside the headlight assembly.
phile is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 05:44 AM
  #203  
Chapter Leader
(Northeast Florida)
iTrader: (1)
 
gatrhumpy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Age: 39
Posts: 33,509
Received 1,166 Likes on 790 Posts
Originally Posted by hondaguy900 View Post
Based on the little information that we know about the ILX, I think I'd still prefer my TSX.

The ILX is based off the Civic platform. Even if it's a totally different car, it should be approx. the same size as the Civic.... too small for me.

And the Accord/TL size is too big.

The TSX size is in-between and perfect.

Size Comparisons (smallest to largest):

Honda Civic Sedan
Length: 177.3 in
Width: 69.0 in
Height: 56.5 in
Wheelbase: 105.1

Acura ILX
Length: ?
Width: ?
Height: ?
Wheelbase: ?

Lexus IS
Length: 180.3 in
Width: 70.9 in
Height: 55.7 in
Wheelbase: 107.5

Acura TSX
Length: 185.6
Width: 72.4
Height: 56.6
Wheelbase: 106.5

Acura TL
Length: 194.0
Width: 74.0
Height: 109.3
Wheelbase: 57.2

Honda Accord Sedan
Length: 194.9
Width: 72.7
Height: 58.1
Wheelbase: 110.2

That's a tall and short car!
gatrhumpy is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 06:28 AM
  #204  
My first Avatar....
 
pttl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: NJ
Posts: 12,412
Received 2,502 Likes on 1,452 Posts
I think the IXL being shaped like the IS, is a good thing. Unlike most of the current, still born, Acura offerings, the IS is multiple years into this generation, and it still looks good.

Perhaps Acura has learned its lesson.
pttl is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 06:36 AM
  #205  
Moderator
Regional Coordinator (Southeast)
 
CCColtsicehockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Mooresville, NC
Age: 32
Posts: 41,316
Received 2,582 Likes on 1,853 Posts
There is still plenty of time for them to screw it up but right now I am going to hope they stay true to the concept as it does look pretty good. Only problem I see is the concept appears to use 18in wheels. Concepts always use bigger wheels than production. Seriously Acura enough with the 17s already.
CCColtsicehockey is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 07:04 AM
  #206  
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 33
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by gatrhumpy View Post
That's a tall and short car!
oops.

According to the dimensions here: http://www.acuranews.com/channels/ac...onal-auto-show, the ILX appears to be only an inch shorter than the IS.

Acura ILX
Length: 179.3 in
Width: 74.4 in
Height: 56.1 in
Wheelbase: 105.1 in
hondaguy900 is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 07:16 AM
  #207  
Registered Member
 
NwTSXmt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 781
Likes: 0
Received 36 Likes on 29 Posts
"This thing will not have Japanese paint quality" was this a joke?.....Acura paint sucks...period
NwTSXmt is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 07:50 AM
  #208  
dom
Senior Moderator
 
dom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Age: 42
Posts: 47,711
Received 797 Likes on 659 Posts
I thought they made it pretty clear a few weeks ago that CVT's (and MT's in certain applications) are the way of the future for their 4 cylinder vehicles.
dom is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 08:19 AM
  #209  
Registered Member
 
biker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Fairfax, VA
Age: 54
Posts: 11,564
Received 111 Likes on 88 Posts
20/29 mileage for a Civic sized car from Honda? Not exactly Earth Dreams.....
biker is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 08:32 AM
  #210  
dom
Senior Moderator
 
dom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Age: 42
Posts: 47,711
Received 797 Likes on 659 Posts
That has to be the 2.4 MT. The Si is 22/31. The added weight and possible 10 extra HP may account for the difference.
dom is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 09:00 AM
  #211  
Q('.')=O
iTrader: (1)
 
imj0257's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: DFW, TX
Age: 35
Posts: 22,824
Received 624 Likes on 448 Posts
whoever said the beak is getting better (aka looking less like a beak).

I think it is ok, but generic looking.
imj0257 is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 09:04 AM
  #212  
My first Avatar....
 
pttl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: NJ
Posts: 12,412
Received 2,502 Likes on 1,452 Posts
Originally Posted by imj0257 View Post
whoever said the beak is getting better (aka looking less like a beak).

I think it is ok, but generic looking.
I'll take generic over the hideous beak everytime. Plus the proportions of the cars are getting back inline...unlike the sad 4G TL.
pttl is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 09:51 AM
  #213  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 12,187
Received 1,704 Likes on 1,118 Posts
Originally Posted by knavinusa View Post
I think that's a reasonable explanation. Still, I think they would do well to have a six-speed auto for the smaller engines too.
+1, I have the factory shop manuals for my 05 TL and a 07 Civic. Both transmissions look virtually identical with the cutaway schematics, so I'm guessing the 4 cylinder 5AT is just a scaled-down version of the V6 J-series 5AT.

I would prefer a 6AT to a CVT, I've never liked the concept of CVT in terms of wear and durability. There's alot of technical issues to overcome with force, friction, wear,....

It seems every few years some auto maker comes out with another CVT design. There's alot of tough things to deal with from a mechanical point of view, everything from fluids, metallurgy, getting enough force on the pulley servo's,....
Legend2TL is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 09:55 AM
  #214  
I spend 2 much time here
 
jiggaman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: MA
Age: 39
Posts: 7,115
Received 103 Likes on 67 Posts
2.4 engine with 6AT would have been far more impressive. or a 4 banger with a turbo. does acura not understand that the looks of their vehicles are not the only thing they need to change?
jiggaman is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 10:08 AM
  #215  
Registered Member
 
biker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Fairfax, VA
Age: 54
Posts: 11,564
Received 111 Likes on 88 Posts
Like the rest of the industry Honda doesn't want to give out too much of the new stuff on the entry level car. So most of the new stuff will likely debut on the RL (and Accord) and then trickle down.
biker is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 10:14 AM
  #216  
dom
Senior Moderator
 
dom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Age: 42
Posts: 47,711
Received 797 Likes on 659 Posts
Originally Posted by biker View Post
Like the rest of the industry Honda doesn't want to give out too much of the new stuff on the entry level car. So most of the new stuff will likely debut on the RL (and Accord) and then trickle down.
BUT, what will the new 4's be capable of. We know the new 3.5 is good for at least 312HP. But all we've heard about the new 2.4 is at least 181. Will there be a true performance version of one of the new 4 cylinders? Something with 220+HP. Or is Honda simply destined to make all their performance versions Hybrids? I'm not at all clear on where they're going.
dom is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 10:33 AM
  #217  
7# werC 2uoYeeS
iTrader: (1)
 
mrstak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: NYC
Posts: 3,415
Received 527 Likes on 387 Posts
Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey View Post
There is still plenty of time for them to screw it up but right now I am going to hope they stay true to the concept as it does look pretty good. Only problem I see is the concept appears to use 18in wheels. Concepts always use bigger wheels than production. Seriously Acura enough with the 17s already.
The ILX concept was using 19 in wheels. I want turn signals in the side view mirrors and i want foglight assemblies...
mrstak is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 10:33 AM
  #218  
Fahrvergnügen'd
 
charliemike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Maryland
Age: 47
Posts: 13,128
Received 1,403 Likes on 871 Posts
It certainly is a better looking car than the TSX. I'll give them credit. It doesn't look like they just rebadged a Civic (thank God).

But I would never pay $30k for a Civic, no matter how nice it is ..
charliemike is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 10:52 AM
  #219  
Registered Member
 
knavinusa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Richmond, BC
Age: 30
Posts: 1,067
Received 24 Likes on 14 Posts
Originally Posted by charliemike View Post
It certainly is a better looking car than the TSX. I'll give them credit. It doesn't look like they just rebadged a Civic (thank God).

But I would never pay $30k for a Civic, no matter how nice it is ..
I don't see anything wrong with it being based on a Civic if it's sporty and luxurious. Platform sharing doesn't make it a bad car. And no one was expecting it to have SH-AWD.
knavinusa is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 11:40 AM
  #220  
The Box
 
vas25tl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Milwaukee
Posts: 6,686
Received 78 Likes on 58 Posts
I think it looks good. They need to split up the TSX/TL/RL a little bit and make a bigger difference between the three. If the price is going to be right as mentioned above, this will be a hot seller.
vas25tl is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 12:58 PM
  #221  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 12,187
Received 1,704 Likes on 1,118 Posts
FWIW, 5AT is the same number of gears as a Macbach 62.

http://www.maybachusa.com/62S/maybach-62S-technical.php

Acura needs to work that into the sales aids/literature
Legend2TL is offline  
The following users liked this post:
VTEC Racer (01-10-2012)
Old 01-10-2012, 12:58 PM
  #222  
YEH
Registered Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 579
Received 48 Likes on 37 Posts
Originally Posted by Sly Raskal View Post
My long-term hopeful guess is that Acura will finally answer our calls and push the RL into the uber flagship market to rival the LS, A8 and 7 series, TL moves upmarket to compete with the M, A6 and 5 series directly. TSX stays exactly where it is with the ILX staying exactly where it is. I would go far as to say the ILX could compete with the A3 and the TSX to compete with the A4 and 3-series.
Longterm would be another cycle or 2 of products down the line b/c Acura already stated that the new RL will be a mid-sizer w/ "full-size" interior room.


Acura ILX


Lexus IS



The ILX actually has the sleeker shaped greenhouse; the one for the IS looks truncated in comparison.

The side and rear are the best views; the front is OK.


Originally Posted by charliemike View Post
It certainly is a better looking car than the TSX. I'll give them credit. It doesn't look like they just rebadged a Civic (thank God).

But I would never pay $30k for a Civic, no matter how nice it is ..
How is it any different from the TSX (Euro Accord) or the TL which rides on an Accord platform?
YEH is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 01:27 PM
  #223  
Moderator
 
ttribe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Age: 47
Posts: 14,290
Received 4,440 Likes on 2,399 Posts
Originally Posted by Legend2TL View Post
FWIW, 5AT is the same number of gears as a Macbach 62.

http://www.maybachusa.com/62S/maybach-62S-technical.php

Acura needs to work that into the sales aids/literature
The Maybach is being discontinued. This doesn't help the case any.
ttribe is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 01:33 PM
  #224  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 12,187
Received 1,704 Likes on 1,118 Posts
Originally Posted by ttribe View Post
The Maybach is being discontinued. This doesn't help the case any.
I was not aware of that, kinda always wondered when they would discontinue it.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012...-its-presence/
Legend2TL is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 01:42 PM
  #225  
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,991
Received 168 Likes on 122 Posts
The fact that the Civic and the ILX share a platform or that the platform is Civic based is an interesting point that can and is used against Honda. However, it says nothing about whether the platform itself is good regardless of what car its put in.

The same can be said for many other shared platforms.

If I were Honda, I'd be saying that the Civic is based on the ILX platform or something to that effect. Make the Civic the 'beneficiary', as opposed to the source of the platform.

Just thinking about it as an unbiased, new to Honda person, why would I want my luxury car to have economy car underpinnings? Its difficult to get around that perception.

Last edited by CarbonGray Earl; 01-10-2012 at 01:46 PM.
CarbonGray Earl is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 01:45 PM
  #226  
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,991
Received 168 Likes on 122 Posts
Originally Posted by Legend2TL View Post
FWIW, 5AT is the same number of gears as a Macbach 62.

http://www.maybachusa.com/62S/maybach-62S-technical.php

Acura needs to work that into the sales aids/literature
For arguments sake, a 5AT in something with gobs of torque over a broad area of the curve is much more acceptable than a 5at in something you have to wind out.

With such little sweet spot, I need more ratios, and I need them to be fairly close.
CarbonGray Earl is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 01:49 PM
  #227  
I spend 2 much time here
 
jiggaman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: MA
Age: 39
Posts: 7,115
Received 103 Likes on 67 Posts
Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl View Post
For arguments sake, a 5AT in something with gobs of torque over a broad area of the curve is much more acceptable than a 5at in something you have to wind out.

With such little sweet spot, I need more ratios, and I need them to be fairly close.
doesn't A4 have 6AT or even 7AT?
jiggaman is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 02:03 PM
  #228  
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,991
Received 168 Likes on 122 Posts
Originally Posted by jiggaman View Post
doesn't A4 have 6AT or even 7AT?
Think so....don't know. Before I read too much into the point you are trying to make, what point are you trying to make?
CarbonGray Earl is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 02:40 PM
  #229  
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,455
Received 31 Likes on 27 Posts
MB/BMW/Audi has implemented 8/7 speed in 4 cylinder with DI. Toyota 6speed Auto with 4 cylinder.
ILX problems are much beyond engine/transmssion.
The door handles are pretty low and not chrome platted. The rear is truncated. There is no mention of bi-xenon Active cornering lights or trailer stability assist from Euroaccord.
The car just dont look next generation. A design from 2005 when current IS came out. but IS got two MMC.

Even using 2.0L engine car will start losing money as that engine is not used anywhere else in USDM models. and cost of R&D on souped of Civic will be not be recovered. The could have just rebadged Euro Civic.



SSFTSX is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 02:50 PM
  #230  
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 27,549
Received 2,211 Likes on 1,314 Posts
Originally Posted by charliemike View Post
It certainly is a better looking car than the TSX. I'll give them credit. It doesn't look like they just rebadged a Civic (thank God).

But I would never pay $30k for a Civic, no matter how nice it is ..
...but you would pay $45k for a Passat?






The MDX shared the same platform as the Accord, looks like some suckers paid $50k for an Accord
Costco is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 04:15 PM
  #231  
Op is too busy to care
 
KillerG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,257
Received 911 Likes on 539 Posts
Originally Posted by Costco View Post
...but you would pay $45k for a Passat?






The MDX shared the same platform as the Accord, looks like some suckers paid $50k for an Accord

For all the "car enthusiasts" on here it doesnt seem like many people understand platform sharing
KillerG is offline  
The following 2 users liked this post by KillerG:
civicdrivr (01-10-2012), neuronbob (01-10-2012)
Old 01-10-2012, 04:17 PM
  #232  
Moderator
 
ttribe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Age: 47
Posts: 14,290
Received 4,440 Likes on 2,399 Posts
Originally Posted by KillerG View Post
For all the "car enthusiasts" on here it doesnt seem like many people understand platform sharing
I'm not sure that's true; do you at least agree that some sharing is better implemented than others?
ttribe is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 04:23 PM
  #233  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 12,187
Received 1,704 Likes on 1,118 Posts
Originally Posted by Costco View Post

The MDX shared the same platform as the Accord, looks like some suckers paid $50k for an Accord
MDX is part of Honda's truck platform shared with Odyssey/Pilot/MDX/Ridgeline.

Although the floorpan tooling is separate for the non-SUV's they are extremely similar down to the four large structural box sections that run length-wise. Almost all of the suspension components are also shared or variant based.

We all know alot of us on these forums get into Honda's lack of innovation lately but the Honda truck platform was really innovative having such a wide product family range (minivan to SUV to truck) for hybrid uni-body chassis's.

Last edited by Legend2TL; 01-10-2012 at 04:25 PM.
Legend2TL is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 04:31 PM
  #234  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 12,187
Received 1,704 Likes on 1,118 Posts
Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl View Post
For arguments sake, a 5AT in something with gobs of torque over a broad area of the curve is much more acceptable than a 5at in something you have to wind out.

With such little sweet spot, I need more ratios, and I need them to be fairly close.
I was just semi-joking.

Your right on about the sweet spot, my 500 Honda sport motorcycle has 6 gears where as the larger 750 model only got 5 gears.

The reason for the 5AT in the Maybach and AMG V12 models was the 7AT could not handle the tremendous torque. The SL65 and S65 both used the same basic MB 5AT. With a flat torque curve and all that power there was no reason for the 7AT.

Last edited by Legend2TL; 01-10-2012 at 04:33 PM.
Legend2TL is offline  
The following users liked this post:
CarbonGray Earl (01-10-2012)
Old 01-10-2012, 04:32 PM
  #235  
Карты убийцы
 
Professor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Cochabamba, Bolivia
Age: 49
Posts: 8,264
Received 124 Likes on 99 Posts
I still like a frame on a chassis.
Professor is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 04:37 PM
  #236  
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 27,549
Received 2,211 Likes on 1,314 Posts
Originally Posted by Legend2TL View Post
MDX is part of Honda's truck platform shared with Odyssey/Pilot/MDX/Ridgeline.

Although the floorpan tooling is separate for the non-SUV's they are extremely similar down to the four large structural box sections that run length-wise. Almost all of the suspension components are also shared or variant based.

We all know alot of us on these forums get into Honda's lack of innovation lately but the Honda truck platform was really innovative having such a wide product family range (minivan to SUV to truck) for hybrid uni-body chassis's.
My point remains.... it's not exactly a $30k Civic. Many manufacturers share components, platforms included. It's not like they start over entirely from scratch for new models.

Though, this is a $30k Civic
Costco is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 04:52 PM
  #237  
Registered Member
 
ostrich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 2,488
Received 348 Likes on 179 Posts
Originally Posted by ThermonMermon View Post
proportions are great. nothing major to criticize here.

25k, it will sell well. i feel like many people that get into TSXs to begin with are extending their budget a few thousand to get into a higher tiered japanese car (acura)....this ILX should do quite well.

infiniti should do the same. the G25 still leaves room to play for a smaller sedan at a lesser price point.
I agree with you! I think that this car will sell very well. There are lots of criticisms by various people but we really know too little about this car to criticize or speculate about! I just think that it looks great! :-)

BTW, people have always loved the 2.4L TSX with manual transmission - now we have a small car with less weight, with the 2.4L engine and 6 sp manual - imagine how much fun it could possibly be!!! OK, I am guilty of speculating here... LOL
ostrich is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 05:59 PM
  #238  
Op is too busy to care
 
KillerG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,257
Received 911 Likes on 539 Posts
Originally Posted by ttribe View Post
I'm not sure that's true; do you at least agree that some sharing is better implemented than others?
you know from all the uninformed "its a civic" posts it doesnt really seem that way, yes, some platform sharing is done in better ways than others, sure, i'll agree with you on that one, but i think that platform sharing for the most part is a pretty good thing

If you have a good solid platform, why not use it as the underpinnings for another vehicle?

All the astons come off of a shared architecture, and GM is using the Zeta platform for a variety of sporty underpinnings, and as for Honda, we all know that the civic has a good platform, so for a vehicle of this size it makes plenty of sense for them to use the civic platform over the Accord platform (which serves a large variety of vehicles).

But everyone, even members of the automotive press, are running around like headless chickens saying "omg its an acura civic."

Part of this is also because Acura made the piss poor move of actually reusing the Civic as an Acura in Canada, which everyone will forever mistake as the same thing as platform sharing
KillerG is offline  
The following 2 users liked this post by KillerG:
Costco (01-10-2012), ttribe (01-10-2012)
Old 01-10-2012, 06:11 PM
  #239  
Senior Moderator
 
Ken1997TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Better Neighborhood, Arizona
Posts: 45,460
Received 2,165 Likes on 1,234 Posts
Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey View Post
There is still plenty of time for them to screw it up but right now I am going to hope they stay true to the concept as it does look pretty good. Only problem I see is the concept appears to use 18in wheels. Concepts always use bigger wheels than production. Seriously Acura enough with the 17s already.
Whats wrong with 17's? I don't like the added weight and cost of larger than necessary wheels and tires. Not to mention the fuel economy penalty. Let them offer accessory 18, 19, 22's etc.

Last edited by Ken1997TL; 01-10-2012 at 06:49 PM.
Ken1997TL is offline  
Old 01-10-2012, 06:15 PM
  #240  
Senior Moderator
 
Ken1997TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Better Neighborhood, Arizona
Posts: 45,460
Received 2,165 Likes on 1,234 Posts
Originally Posted by charliemike View Post
It certainly is a better looking car than the TSX. I'll give them credit. It doesn't look like they just rebadged a Civic (thank God).

But I would never pay $30k for a Civic, no matter how nice it is ..
So if Honda manufactured a two door vehicle called the Integra, it offered lots of value and style and was priced at $30,000 you wouldn't take it?

Food for thought.
Ken1997TL is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Acura: ILX News


Contact Us - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.