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^This is the ILX thread, but interesting comparison nonetheless. The Maxima wins in terms of exterior and interior styling, IMO. But the CVT and FWD only kills it for me.
Millennial Favorite Acura ILX Gateway Sports Sedan Returns for 2017 Model Year
Apr 12, 2016 - TORRANCE, Calif.
Millennials choose ILX at a greater rate than any other model in segment1
ILX continues strong sales through first quarter of 2016
12-month year-over-year ILX sales up over 40 percent
The 2017 Acura ILX goes on sale tomorrow, April 13, retaining the popular enhancements introduced last year that helped make it one of the most popular models in the entry luxury segment. The manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP)2 of the 2017 ILX starts at $27,990.
As Acura's most affordable sport sedan and serving as the gateway to the Acura lineup, the ILX has captured a higher rate of under 35 year olds than any other vehicle in the entry-luxury sedan segment since 20101. Also, with KBB.com naming Acura as the luxury brand with the lowest projected 5-year cost of ownership and Edmunds.com voting the brand as the 2015 Best Retained ValueŽ Luxury Brand, the ILX is a wise choice for gateway luxury vehicle customers.
The ILX received significant upgrades for the 2016 model year including styling, powertrain, technology, luxury refinement and safety features. The 2017 ILX carries over the freshened exterior styling including Acura's signature Jewel EyeŽ LED headlights, 201 horsepower3 2.4-liter direct-injected DOHC i-VTEC engine paired with an 8-speed dual clutch transmission with paddle-controlled Sequential Sport Shift, and signature Acura technologies such as the available AcuraWatch suite of safety and driver-assistive technologies.
The 2017 ILX is available in three new exterior colors, Lunar Silver Metallic, Modern Steel Metallic and San Marino Red. The ILX is also available in Bellanova White Pearl, Crystal Black Pearl and Catalina Blue Pearl.
The 2017 ILX is available in three grades the standard ILX, the ILX with Premium Package, and the line-topping ILX Tech Plus Package; in addition an A-SPEC Package is available with the Premium and Tech Plus grades. The ILX A-SPEC Package further accentuates the ILX's premium and performance image with sporty side sill garnishes, a trunk spoiler, front fog lights, 18-inch, 10-spoke machined alloy wheels, and several unique interior appearance touches.
so pretty much things will only get worse for the ILX from now on.
and
Millennials choose ILX at a greater rate than any other model in segment1
ILX continues strong sales through first quarter of 2016
12-month year-over-year ILX sales up over 40 percent
Millennials choose ILX at a greater rate than any other model in segment 1
ILX continues strong sales through first quarter of 2016
12-month year-over-year ILX sales up over 40 percent
1 Based on IHS Automotive, Polk new U.S. retail vehicle registrations by volume for Luxury Traditional Subcompact segment and age of household data for 18-34 year olds for CY2011-2015 cumulatively.
I think "deceiving" is an understatement here.
We'd need to see data to verify point #1.
Point #2 is true though. Q1 2016 sales are stronger vs Q1 2015 sales. And they did increase month to month.
Jan 2015 to Mar 2015 : 992 + 959 + 1,554 = 3,505
Jan 2016 to Mar 2016 : 1,233 + 1,500 + 1,544 = 4,287
I'm wondering about point #3 though. It's both true and false.
12-month year-over-year (from April to March???) sales are higher, but 40% higher???
U.S. April 2014 to March 2015 = 17,218
U.S. April 2015 to March 2016 = 19,313
19,313 - 17,218 = 2,095. That’s a 12.17% increase, not 40%
Maybe they’re including Canada sales too?
Canada April 2014 to March 2015 = 2,699
Canada April 2015 to March 2016 = 2,637
Can’t be. Canadian 12 month year-over-year sales declined by 62 units or 2.3%
Maybe they mean the 12 months from Jan 2014 to Dec 2014 vs the 12 months from Jan 2015 to Dec 2015 ?
U.S. 2014 = 17,854
U.S. 2015 = 18,531
18,531 - 17,854 = 667.
Nope. That’s only an increase of 3.79%. Not even close to 40%
Can’t be including Canadian sales because 2015 Canadian sales fell vs 2014 sales.
They f up the debut and by the time they introduced the MMC, it's too late...
But, that ILX was based on a pretty poor 9th gen Civic. Now that the 10th gen Civic is pretty much class leading, an Acura version of that should be more interesting. Other than the RL, Acura seems to always f up the 1st gen of any model.....lol...
Based for average 1300 US monthly sales for a newly refreshed entry level car is pretty sad. The increase due to new design/tranny is so minimal.
Nothing really to brag about. that is all.
The problem is the price. I had to take my Miata in for an inspection (for potential new owner) and while sitting there, I noticed they had one of those silly posters comparing the new Mazda 3, to all other cars in its segment.
Of course they go on about what the mazda 3 has and others dont, however, they threw the ILX into the list as well and I was floored when I saw the starting price. You can get a base Mazda 3, Civic, Corolla, Elantra, Focus and whatever else, around 15k CAN. The ILX? Starts at 27k CAN.
If I'm looking for a compact car, the ILX would have to put forth a VERY compelling case. Granted, you can say the ILX is in a slightly higher class, and I think it is a nicer vehicle than the rest, however, when you get to that price point, the amount of people wanting to buy such cars drops drastically. I mean, why would you buy a base ILX when for the same money you can get a middle of the line, larger car?
I think that's why Acura's sales numbers are considered to be so low.
They f up the debut and by the time they introduced the MMC, it's too late...
But, that ILX was based on a pretty poor 9th gen Civic. Now that the 10th gen Civic is pretty much class leading, an Acura version of that should be more interesting. Other than the RL, Acura seems to always f up the 1st gen of any model.....lol...
How Acura will implete the new civic into the new ILX is still unknown. So we will see.
But what i am talking about is the 2017 ILX, it seems it is not going to get any better for at least 1 more year based on what is listed.
The problem is the price. I had to take my Miata in for an inspection (for potential new owner) and while sitting there, I noticed they had one of those silly posters comparing the new Mazda 3, to all other cars in its segment.
Of course they go on about what the mazda 3 has and others dont, however, they threw the ILX into the list as well and I was floored when I saw the starting price. You can get a base Mazda 3, Civic, Corolla, Elantra, Focus and whatever else, around 15k CAN. The ILX? Starts at 27k CAN.
If I'm looking for a compact car, the ILX would have to put forth a VERY compelling case. Granted, you can say the ILX is in a slightly higher class, and I think it is a nicer vehicle than the rest, however, when you get to that price point, the amount of people wanting to buy such cars drops drastically. I mean, why would you buy a base ILX when for the same money you can get a middle of the line, larger car?
I think that's why Acura's sales numbers are considered to be so low.
Well, if Mazda also throw in the Audi A3, BMW 1-series, and MB CLA into those econo car (Mazda3/Civic/Corolla/Elantra/Focus) mix, then the A3/1/CLA will also meet the exact same fate as the ILX.
After all, econo brand cars are cheap, and that why they remain as econo brand cars.
Well, if Mazda also throw in the Audi A3, BMW 1-series, and MB CLA into those econo car (Mazda3/Civic/Corolla/Elantra/Focus) mix, then the A3/1/CLA will also meet the exact same fate as the ILX.
After all, econo brand cars are cheap, and that why they remain as econo brand cars.
But luxury/near-luxury brand cars aren't.
That's what I mean. Acura is priced into a higher class, however, there's a lot less people buying cars in that class, simply due to price. I don't think the ILX is selling badly. I mean, it's not great, but again, Acura doesn't have that brand panache that other manufacturers in the segment do. For what it is, it's not bad.
But what is bad is when Mazda compares itself to Acura. Like, c'mon. If that isn't a bitch slap to the face, I don't know what is. Just goes to show what people cross shop with Acura. Definitely not the MBs and BMWs and Lexus' and...
That's what I mean. Acura is priced into a higher class, however, there's a lot less people buying cars in that class, simply due to price. I don't think the ILX is selling badly. I mean, it's not great, but again, Acura doesn't have that brand panache that other manufacturers in the segment do. For what it is, it's not bad.
But what is bad is when Mazda compares itself to Acura. Like, c'mon. If that isn't a bitch slap to the face, I don't know what is. Just goes to show what people cross shop with Acura. Definitely not the MBs and BMWs and Lexus' and...
But if the ILX is cross-shopped with a mainstream model like a Mazda, Toyota, or Honda, that works out better for Acura from a potential buyers standpoint. However, it is a total sellout and not really luxury and it dilutes the brand for sure.
Of course, every luxury brand now is subject to dilution. You can buy an Audi that is essentially a dolled up Passat, a BMW with FWD, and a Mercedes with literally "you get what you pay for" internals.
I would never ever cross-shop an ILX with anything because it's not a good car, but I wouldn't buy a CLA or a FWD BMW or Audi either.
But if the ILX is cross-shopped with a mainstream model like a Mazda, Toyota, or Honda, that works out better for Acura from a potential buyers standpoint. However, it is a total sellout and not really luxury and it dilutes the brand for sure.
Yes, but it is horrible from Acura's standpoint, as it is being compared to other cars that, here, are 12k cheaper. Granted, the mainstream brands are moving up the ranks with all the features they pack into cars these days, however, this isn't helping Acura at all.
Acura should be compared to the CLAs and A3s and whatever else, not Focus' and Civics.
But if the ILX is cross-shopped with a mainstream model like a Mazda, Toyota, or Honda, that works out better for Acura from a potential buyers standpoint.
How so? Let's say I just graduate college, got a nice job, and I'm looking for my 1st new car. My budget is $30,000 max. I'm looking at these because I want to stay within the Honda family:
- base ILX (MSRP $28,840)
- Civic EX-L with Honda Sensing (MSRP $25,535)
- Civic Touring (MSRP $27,335)
What compelling reason is there to choose the more expensive base trim ILX vs the Civic EX-L or Civic Touring? The Civic EX-L has everything the ILX has and more (tech-wise) with all the safety features (AAC, CMBS, LKAS, etc.). And if I get the Civic Touring, I'll also get Navigation.
If I wanted a roomier and more grown-up/mature looking car, there's the Accord EX-L (MSRP $29,505).
There's a reason why ILX sales numbers are where they're at. One of them is that it's not a very good value.
^ I'd personally take a 6MT Mazda3 S GT hatchback over an ILX.
I sat in one of these yesterday and was very pleasantly surprised with how nice the interior is. I kept looking at the steering wheel to make sure I was actually in a Mazda. I had some minor gripes about the arm rest/center console, but overall, it's a very nice place to be.
How Acura will implete the new civic into the new ILX is still unknown. So we will see.
But what i am talking about is the 2017 ILX, it seems it is not going to get any better for at least 1 more year based on what is listed.
Oh for sure. I feel that Acura did all they can with the 9th gen Civic platform for the ILX. There's only so much they could do, given a limited budget, on that platform. For instance, I don't think it can do AWD, which greatly limits its potential.
Originally Posted by TacoBello
That's what I mean. Acura is priced into a higher class, however, there's a lot less people buying cars in that class, simply due to price. I don't think the ILX is selling badly. I mean, it's not great, but again, Acura doesn't have that brand panache that other manufacturers in the segment do. For what it is, it's not bad.
But what is bad is when Mazda compares itself to Acura. Like, c'mon. If that isn't a bitch slap to the face, I don't know what is. Just goes to show what people cross shop with Acura. Definitely not the MBs and BMWs and Lexus' and...
Haha, well, like you said, Acura doesn't have the brand power to prevent others from comparing its cars to main stream cars. On paper, the ILX doesn't look bad against a A3 1.8T - it's more powerful, slightly faster, and cheaper. But what the A3 has is the Audi emblem.
... at least according to CR: "To help you keep buyers remorse at bay when it comes to car shopping, weve assembled a list of the worst picks in 10 popular categories based on the lowest Overall Score. Our Overall Score provides a complete picture of each model, combining road-test score, predicted reliability, owner satisfaction, and safety, including government and insurance industry crash-test results. While some of these cars have their fans, wed suggest that these stay off your shopping list. There are literally many better choices in each category."
The Acura ILX will almost certainly enter 2019 wearing a new face. Images filed with the United States Patent and Trademark Office reveal the Japanese brands entry-level luxury sedan is likely to receive a substantial facelift that brings its front-end design in line with Acuras other sedan and crossover/SUV offerings.
The updated ILX looks to trade the beak nose of todays car for a more aggressive mug that incorporates Acuras new 5-point grille design. Despite its reworked front end, the new ILX appears unchanged aft of the A-pillars, which means it wont yet migrate to the recently redesigned Honda Civics platform. A next-generation model would presumably do soif a next-generation model is actually in the cards, that is.
Likewise, we anticipate the ILX to maintain its 201-hp 2.4-liter inline-4and 8-speed automatic transmission. The affable powertrain proved powerful enough to push an ILX A-Spec we previously tested to 60 mph in a reasonable 6.6 seconds. While these patent images share nothing of the cars interior, wed wager the updated ILX will also feature refreshed innards, possibly with the touchpad-based infotainment system that debuted in the 2019 RDX crossover SUV.
Although the revised ILX looks to offer a more attractive appearance compared to the current car, were hesitant to believe the models updates will solve its inherent problems, notably its rather dull personality and tight rear-passenger space. Still, its nice to see Acura appears committed to offering an entry-level model with a sub-$30,000 base price.
i dont know ... milking to me is milking profit without changing anything.... I just can't see them making $$ from selling 900 cars a month while paying all the overhead and the facelift R&D, parts and etc....
And how long is this mild refresh suppose to hold buyers over for until the 2G comes out, if there is one? I would think it would be at least 2 years, otherwise... why bother? That would give the ILX an 8 year (2013-2020) product run without a complete redesign. Terrible.
i dont know ... milking to me is milking profit without changing anything.... I just can't see them making $$ from selling 900 cars a month while paying all the overhead and the facelift R&D, parts and etc....
So, how does that work for the RLX then, with about 1/5th the volume?
06-13-2015, 03:03 PM
I'd personally take a 6MT Mazda3 S GT hatchback over an ILX.
(Apologies in advance to any ILX owners on the forum!)
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