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08-08-2017, 02:38 PM
#4161
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Maybe not. Look at Ford. The Edge Sport has 315/350 & the Explorer Sport 365/350. Not quite equal, but they serve different purposes.Want 3rd row seating, MDX; want a smaller, 2-row SUV, RDX
08-08-2017, 02:48 PM
#4162
But an RDX Sporty Hybrid with 320 hp , 290 lb-ft would be near identical to the MDX Sport Hybrid's 321 hp, 289 lb-ft
The only big difference would be 3rd row seating.
08-08-2017, 04:29 PM
#4163
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Right, so drop the RDX to something like 290/275 & you're not far off from the Edge/ExSport model.
08-09-2017, 01:10 PM
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Exactly. Won't happen. At least not at those power levels. What's the new MDX SH at? 325hp? I can see them giving the RDX 290-295hp. Below the subliminal 300hp mark. Though, hitting 300hp would make for good marketing.
Either way, the RDX and MDX both sell like hot cakes. Generally, people will go for the bigger, lower trim vehicle, over the smaller, better equipped option. More bang for your buck, or some shit. Hence why companies sell a billion lower trim models, over any top trim model of a smaller class (think loaded RDX vs base MDX... which sells more?).
Either way, the RDX and MDX both sell like hot cakes. Generally, people will go for the bigger, lower trim vehicle, over the smaller, better equipped option. More bang for your buck, or some shit. Hence why companies sell a billion lower trim models, over any top trim model of a smaller class (think loaded RDX vs base MDX... which sells more?).
With that said, I feel that Ikeda is trying to change things up for Acura in a good way. I think there's hope.
Also, by the time the RDX is out, the current gen MDX will be in its last model year. So even if there's some power overlap, I wouldn't think that's much of an issue.
08-09-2017, 01:51 PM
#4165
Wouldn't have this overlap problem had Honda developed other engines beyond the 2.4 and 3.5
Lexus doesn't have this problem.
NX : 2.0t with 235 hp, 258 lb-ft
RX : 3.5 with 295 hp , 268 lb-ft
GX : 4.6 with 301 hp , 329 lb-ft
LX : 5.7 with 383 hp , 403 lb-ft
That's why Acura needs to stick their turbos in them like Audi then just tune them differently for different power outputs so there's no ovelap
Q3 : 2.0 with 200 hp , 207 lb-ft
Q5 : 2.0 with 252 hp , 273 lb-ft
Q7 : 2.0 with 252 hp , 273 lb-ft or 3.0 with 333 hp , 325 lb-ft
Lexus doesn't have this problem.
NX : 2.0t with 235 hp, 258 lb-ft
RX : 3.5 with 295 hp , 268 lb-ft
GX : 4.6 with 301 hp , 329 lb-ft
LX : 5.7 with 383 hp , 403 lb-ft
That's why Acura needs to stick their turbos in them like Audi then just tune them differently for different power outputs so there's no ovelap
Q3 : 2.0 with 200 hp , 207 lb-ft
Q5 : 2.0 with 252 hp , 273 lb-ft
Q7 : 2.0 with 252 hp , 273 lb-ft or 3.0 with 333 hp , 325 lb-ft
08-09-2017, 01:56 PM
#4166
Team Owner
To be honest, power #s is least Acura's concern at this point. We have to remember RDX is not some performance sedan and coupe that the targeted buyers actually care about its performance and what not.
We care about how much power it got and blah blah but majority of the RDX buyers don't. I do not think having 260hp or having 299hp will make any difference in sales #.
As long as the next gen LOOKS NICE, gets great mpg (2.0T), at least on paper, with updated interior and most importantly, correct pricing, then RDX will be ok. IMO.
We care about how much power it got and blah blah but majority of the RDX buyers don't. I do not think having 260hp or having 299hp will make any difference in sales #.
As long as the next gen LOOKS NICE, gets great mpg (2.0T), at least on paper, with updated interior and most importantly, correct pricing, then RDX will be ok. IMO.
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08-09-2017, 01:58 PM
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Wouldn't have this overlap problem had Honda developed other engines beyond the 2.4 and 3.5
Lexus doesn't have this problem.
NX : 2.0t with 235 hp, 258 lb-ft
RX : 3.5 with 295 hp , 268 lb-ft
GX : 4.6 with 301 hp , 329 lb-ft
LX : 5.7 with 383 hp , 403 lb-ft
That's why Acura needs to stick their turbos in them like Audi then just tune them differently for different power outputs so there's no ovelap
Q3 : 2.0 with 200 hp , 207 lb-ft
Q5 : 2.0 with 252 hp , 273 lb-ft
Q7 : 2.0 with 252 hp , 273 lb-ft or 3.0 with 333 hp , 325 lb-ft
Lexus doesn't have this problem.
NX : 2.0t with 235 hp, 258 lb-ft
RX : 3.5 with 295 hp , 268 lb-ft
GX : 4.6 with 301 hp , 329 lb-ft
LX : 5.7 with 383 hp , 403 lb-ft
That's why Acura needs to stick their turbos in them like Audi then just tune them differently for different power outputs so there's no ovelap
Q3 : 2.0 with 200 hp , 207 lb-ft
Q5 : 2.0 with 252 hp , 273 lb-ft
Q7 : 2.0 with 252 hp , 273 lb-ft or 3.0 with 333 hp , 325 lb-ft
Q7 has 2.0T option now? WTF audi is really pushing the boundary here...
Oh well, it won't be long before X5 gets the 328 engine then.
08-09-2017, 02:02 PM
#4169
Team Owner
Yah but we are a forum... i doubt out of the hundreds of RDX i have seen, many of them are on the RDX sub forum. I personally prefer the 6 cylinder of anything... hence, i never even considered a 428 or 328. But Most of the 3/4 series sold are 4 Cylinders.
We all hate the 2.0T in the 5 series, A6 and E class. We think it does not make sense.... but guess what, the 4 banger is making up most of their sales vs. the 6 cylinders or the 8 cylinders.
We all hate the 2.0T in the 5 series, A6 and E class. We think it does not make sense.... but guess what, the 4 banger is making up most of their sales vs. the 6 cylinders or the 8 cylinders.
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08-09-2017, 03:20 PM
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Yah but we are a forum... i doubt out of the hundreds of RDX i have seen, many of them are on the RDX sub forum. I personally prefer the 6 cylinder of anything... hence, i never even considered a 428 or 328. But Most of the 3/4 series sold are 4 Cylinders.
We all hate the 2.0T in the 5 series, A6 and E class. We think it does not make sense.... but guess what, the 4 banger is making up most of their sales vs. the 6 cylinders or the 8 cylinders.
We all hate the 2.0T in the 5 series, A6 and E class. We think it does not make sense.... but guess what, the 4 banger is making up most of their sales vs. the 6 cylinders or the 8 cylinders.
08-10-2017, 11:58 AM
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Wouldn't have this overlap problem had Honda developed other engines beyond the 2.4 and 3.5
Lexus doesn't have this problem.
NX : 2.0t with 235 hp, 258 lb-ft
RX : 3.5 with 295 hp , 268 lb-ft
GX : 4.6 with 301 hp , 329 lb-ft
LX : 5.7 with 383 hp , 403 lb-ft
That's why Acura needs to stick their turbos in them like Audi then just tune them differently for different power outputs so there's no ovelap
Q3 : 2.0 with 200 hp , 207 lb-ft
Q5 : 2.0 with 252 hp , 273 lb-ft
Q7 : 2.0 with 252 hp , 273 lb-ft or 3.0 with 333 hp , 325 lb-ft
Lexus doesn't have this problem.
NX : 2.0t with 235 hp, 258 lb-ft
RX : 3.5 with 295 hp , 268 lb-ft
GX : 4.6 with 301 hp , 329 lb-ft
LX : 5.7 with 383 hp , 403 lb-ft
That's why Acura needs to stick their turbos in them like Audi then just tune them differently for different power outputs so there's no ovelap
Q3 : 2.0 with 200 hp , 207 lb-ft
Q5 : 2.0 with 252 hp , 273 lb-ft
Q7 : 2.0 with 252 hp , 273 lb-ft or 3.0 with 333 hp , 325 lb-ft
I think Acura just wanted to keep things simple and offer one 3.5L engine and that's it for the current gen RDX.
But ya, with the 2.0T, they will have greater flexibility of tuning it to whatever they want.
To be honest, power #s is least Acura's concern at this point. We have to remember RDX is not some performance sedan and coupe that the targeted buyers actually care about its performance and what not.
We care about how much power it got and blah blah but majority of the RDX buyers don't. I do not think having 260hp or having 299hp will make any difference in sales #.
As long as the next gen LOOKS NICE, gets great mpg (2.0T), at least on paper, with updated interior and most importantly, correct pricing, then RDX will be ok. IMO.
We care about how much power it got and blah blah but majority of the RDX buyers don't. I do not think having 260hp or having 299hp will make any difference in sales #.
As long as the next gen LOOKS NICE, gets great mpg (2.0T), at least on paper, with updated interior and most importantly, correct pricing, then RDX will be ok. IMO.
But yea, IMO the 2g RDX is doing well because it's so bland and does everything very well. It's a really good family hauler - reasonably large, decent interior, quiet, low NVH, reliable, powerful enough, fuel efficient, good pricing, and most importantly, it's comfortable. The 1g RDX has a much harsher ride.
08-10-2017, 09:05 PM
#4172
Team Owner
Hmm Honda does have other engine options. For instance, the RDX in China has a J30 with about 250hp 220lbft. If Acura of America really wanted, they could've gone with a RDX 3.0 with 250hp and 220lbft, and a RDX 3.5 with 290hp and 270lbft, or even the 310hp of that engine.
I think Acura just wanted to keep things simple and offer one 3.5L engine and that's it for the current gen RDX.
But ya, with the 2.0T, they will have greater flexibility of tuning it to whatever they want.
I think some people just prefer a V6 even if they don't understand much what a V6 is. They are like it's a V6, it must be powerful.
But yea, IMO the 2g RDX is doing well because it's so bland and does everything very well. It's a really good family hauler - reasonably large, decent interior, quiet, low NVH, reliable, powerful enough, fuel efficient, good pricing, and most importantly, it's comfortable. The 1g RDX has a much harsher ride.
I think Acura just wanted to keep things simple and offer one 3.5L engine and that's it for the current gen RDX.
But ya, with the 2.0T, they will have greater flexibility of tuning it to whatever they want.
I think some people just prefer a V6 even if they don't understand much what a V6 is. They are like it's a V6, it must be powerful.
But yea, IMO the 2g RDX is doing well because it's so bland and does everything very well. It's a really good family hauler - reasonably large, decent interior, quiet, low NVH, reliable, powerful enough, fuel efficient, good pricing, and most importantly, it's comfortable. The 1g RDX has a much harsher ride.
Whether that is true or not, that is the perception.
08-10-2017, 10:36 PM
#4173
Azine Jabroni
No surprises there. In contrast, a V6 is too small in central Texas.
08-11-2017, 08:15 AM
#4174
Moderator
08-14-2017, 04:25 PM
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2018 Honda Accord gets laced with new tech you won't find on Acuras
By David Undercoffler, Automotive News - August 14, 2017They’re the kind of gee-whiz features designed for smiles in the showroom: a color head-up display, a customizable digital screen in the instrument panel, instant near-field communications link with a smartphone and even climate control knobs that glow red or blue depending on which direction they’re turned.
While most automakers would save such surprise-and-delight features for their high-end luxury models or brand, Honda introduced them not on an Acura but on its bread-and-butter family car, the redesigned 2018 Accord.
Honda had its reasons: the timing of the Accord’s release, its halo effect over the rest of the Honda brand and the competitive nature of the sedan segment. But they all drive home the point that within American Honda’s walls, the Accord commands deep respect, while Acura remains stuck in a second-fiddle role.
“When you look holistically at Honda and Acura in the marketplace you clearly see that Honda is the brand that’s paying the bills and driving success and profitability,” Eric Lyman, vice president for industry insights at TrueCar, told Automotive News.
The Accord was Honda’s best-selling nameplate for decades and the car has played an outsize role in shaping Honda’s identity within the U.S. market, selling more than 13 million since 1976. It wasn’t until 2016 that a then-aging Accord gave up its crown at Honda to the redesigned Civic and the CR-V.
Honda saw the redesign of this storied model as an opportunity to introduce a host of new features it had never used.
“The heritage of Accord is tightly wrapped with the history and success of the Honda brand,” said Jeff Conrad, senior vice president of the auto division at American Honda. “And as we’re looking at technology that we can mature and bring online in time for a product’s introduction, Accord is the perfect candidate for it because it’s such an important car for us.”
Besides, said Conrad, Honda didn’t want to wait for the next redesigned Acura — expected to be the 2019 RDX set to debut next year.
“Technology doesn’t slow down for you,” Conrad said. “So while we try to plan for it and we try to use our latest and greatest technologies on Acura, certain ones, when we’ve perfected them, if it’s going to go on a Honda, it’s going to go on a Honda.”
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2018 Honda Accord: New tech even Acura has to wait for
01-15-2018, 01:06 PM
#4177
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Return of Type S and All-new V6 Turbo Underscore Renewed Commitment to Performance Throughout Acura Core Model Lineup
Return of Type S and All-new V6 Turbo Underscore Renewed Commitment to Performance Throughout Acura Core Model Lineup - Acura News
Maybe already kinda known secret but Honda just now through official PR that Type-S is back in all the line ups, including adding A-spec to other platforms.
What's very interesting is they mention, by name and model year, the 3rd gen TL TWICE in this PR piece and describes what made the 3rd gen TL-S so great.....looks like they clearly know what kind of success formula they need to implement.
But is it too little, too late? We'll see. But definitely a move that must be made in order for Acura to stay relevant in the luxury segment with their marketing motto.
Jan 15, 2018 - DETROIT
"We have made a major commitment to Acura to bring each element of Precision Crafted Performance to life through a new generation of products," said Toshiaki Mikoshiba, president & CEO of American Honda Motor Co., Inc. "Acura will pursue a unique powertrain strategy that underscores the brand's rightful place as the performance division of Honda."
Building on the direction set forth by the the twin-turbocharged V6-powered NSX supercar, Acura will introduce a new V6 turbo powerplant. The new high-performance powerplant will be exclusive to the Acura lineup and will be paired with the latest generation of Acura Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ (SH-AWD®), which is launching in the new 2019 RDX. The new Acura Turbo V6 will make its way into multiple products in the years ahead.
In addition, as part of its strengthening commitment to performance, Acura will bring back the much-heralded Type-S performance variant in the coming years. The Type-S badge last appeared on the 2008 Acura TL, which featured a track-tuned chassis, more powerful engine and brakes, high-performance tires and extensive, sports-oriented exterior and interior modifications. Like the new engine, the Type-S badge will make its way onto multiple Acura models in the future.
Finally, based on the success of the V6 TLX A-Spec variant, launched in 2017, Acura will introduce A-Spec variants for every new core model in development, including a new 2.4-liter TLX A-Spec this spring and an A-Spec variant of the all-new 2019 RDX, which will launch with the rest of the all-new RDX lineup in mid-2018. Acura's A-Spec badge first appeared on the 2004 TL sedan and currently appears on the Acura TLX and ILX sedans.
- Acura to bring back vaunted Type-S performance variant over the next few years situated at top of core model lineup
- Acura-exclusive, turbocharged V6 engine in development
- A-Spec sport styling variant to be applied to all new Acura core models
"We have made a major commitment to Acura to bring each element of Precision Crafted Performance to life through a new generation of products," said Toshiaki Mikoshiba, president & CEO of American Honda Motor Co., Inc. "Acura will pursue a unique powertrain strategy that underscores the brand's rightful place as the performance division of Honda."
Building on the direction set forth by the the twin-turbocharged V6-powered NSX supercar, Acura will introduce a new V6 turbo powerplant. The new high-performance powerplant will be exclusive to the Acura lineup and will be paired with the latest generation of Acura Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ (SH-AWD®), which is launching in the new 2019 RDX. The new Acura Turbo V6 will make its way into multiple products in the years ahead.
In addition, as part of its strengthening commitment to performance, Acura will bring back the much-heralded Type-S performance variant in the coming years. The Type-S badge last appeared on the 2008 Acura TL, which featured a track-tuned chassis, more powerful engine and brakes, high-performance tires and extensive, sports-oriented exterior and interior modifications. Like the new engine, the Type-S badge will make its way onto multiple Acura models in the future.
Finally, based on the success of the V6 TLX A-Spec variant, launched in 2017, Acura will introduce A-Spec variants for every new core model in development, including a new 2.4-liter TLX A-Spec this spring and an A-Spec variant of the all-new 2019 RDX, which will launch with the rest of the all-new RDX lineup in mid-2018. Acura's A-Spec badge first appeared on the 2004 TL sedan and currently appears on the Acura TLX and ILX sedans.
Maybe already kinda known secret but Honda just now through official PR that Type-S is back in all the line ups, including adding A-spec to other platforms.
What's very interesting is they mention, by name and model year, the 3rd gen TL TWICE in this PR piece and describes what made the 3rd gen TL-S so great.....looks like they clearly know what kind of success formula they need to implement.
But is it too little, too late? We'll see. But definitely a move that must be made in order for Acura to stay relevant in the luxury segment with their marketing motto.
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01-15-2018, 01:20 PM
#4178
Team Owner
I don't think so. I think they were getting dangerously close to being too little, too late. Look at AZ today- people are beyond stoked at the moment- and with good reason.
personally, I hope this indicates an end to what I consider Acura's dark days. I fucking hate driving CUVs and SUVs, and even the new RDX has me looking at it like "whoa... I could maybe drive this everyday"
personally, I hope this indicates an end to what I consider Acura's dark days. I fucking hate driving CUVs and SUVs, and even the new RDX has me looking at it like "whoa... I could maybe drive this everyday"
01-15-2018, 01:22 PM
#4179
Race Director
Return of Type S and All-new V6 Turbo Underscore Renewed Commitment to Performance Throughout Acura Core Model Lineup
Maybe already kinda known secret but Honda just now through official PR that Type-S is back in all the line ups, including adding A-spec to other platforms.
What's very interesting is they mention, by name and model year, the 3rd gen TL TWICE in this PR piece and describes what made the 3rd gen TL-S so great.....looks like they clearly know what kind of success formula they need to implement.
But is it too little, too late? We'll see. But definitely a move that must be made in order for Acura to stay relevant in the luxury segment with their marketing motto.
Maybe already kinda known secret but Honda just now through official PR that Type-S is back in all the line ups, including adding A-spec to other platforms.
What's very interesting is they mention, by name and model year, the 3rd gen TL TWICE in this PR piece and describes what made the 3rd gen TL-S so great.....looks like they clearly know what kind of success formula they need to implement.
But is it too little, too late? We'll see. But definitely a move that must be made in order for Acura to stay relevant in the luxury segment with their marketing motto.
The plans include the launch of a new turbocharged V6 powerplant exclusive to future Acura products, the return of its vaunted Type-S performance brand in the coming years and expansion of A-Spec sports variants to include all core models in the future.
But the big question is: how closely related will the new turbo-charged V6 be to the NSX's twin-turboed 6-pot?
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01-15-2018, 01:22 PM
#4180
Team Owner
They mentioned the Type S coming back on "several Acura models"
to me, that means the ILX isn't dying.... but coming back as an Acura version of the CTR (as a Type s model anyway), which hopefully doesn't look like it was drawn up by a 14 year old on a sugar high, and maybe... just maybe... has some kind of AWD. We all know the current civic has room for a rear differential, in the back. Me thinks Acura and Honda did some smart planning and setting their course forward for at least the next five years.
to me, that means the ILX isn't dying.... but coming back as an Acura version of the CTR (as a Type s model anyway), which hopefully doesn't look like it was drawn up by a 14 year old on a sugar high, and maybe... just maybe... has some kind of AWD. We all know the current civic has room for a rear differential, in the back. Me thinks Acura and Honda did some smart planning and setting their course forward for at least the next five years.
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01-15-2018, 01:24 PM
#4181
Team Owner
At long f-ing last! Depending on how this goes (that is, how the new forced-induction V6 turns out), perhaps they can attract fans of the old 3G TL which is now 10-15 years old. There are plenty of youngsters who are picking up old 3Gs for themselves and lots of older folks who own(ed) them, too. Time to bring the noise!
I don't believe the V6T is exclusive to Acura. At first, it will be. But there's no way in hell they will keep the ancient J series V6 in the pilot and Ridgeline forever. By their respective next gen, I bet they'll have the V6T, too. It wouldn't make any financial sense to keep th NA V6 going at that point.
01-15-2018, 01:27 PM
#4182
Race Director
The ILX needs to be euthanized ....
01-15-2018, 01:29 PM
#4183
Team Owner
In its current state, yes.
if based off the 10th gen Civic, maybe not. The question is what more can they do over the Civic while keeping pricing in check for a compact car.
All I know is I want to buy a new sport compact car... whether the CTR, or golf R, or STi. Yet none of them hit the mark for me in a way where I'm willing to spend around 50k CDN on one. What I really want is that rumoured AWD CTR mentioned back in June... with adult looks. They rumoured it as a "Grand touring" version of the CTR. To me that screams Acura. But I really have zero to back that up in any fashion.
Even if it doesn't come with AWD, something a bit more adult looking, like the Golf R, is what I'd be after... not the teenage boy CTR. The Golf R looks awesome, but it's completely anemic shifter and clutch, paired with terrible VW reliability was enough to push me away. I have no desire in their DSG either, which the car excels with.
if based off the 10th gen Civic, maybe not. The question is what more can they do over the Civic while keeping pricing in check for a compact car.
All I know is I want to buy a new sport compact car... whether the CTR, or golf R, or STi. Yet none of them hit the mark for me in a way where I'm willing to spend around 50k CDN on one. What I really want is that rumoured AWD CTR mentioned back in June... with adult looks. They rumoured it as a "Grand touring" version of the CTR. To me that screams Acura. But I really have zero to back that up in any fashion.
Even if it doesn't come with AWD, something a bit more adult looking, like the Golf R, is what I'd be after... not the teenage boy CTR. The Golf R looks awesome, but it's completely anemic shifter and clutch, paired with terrible VW reliability was enough to push me away. I have no desire in their DSG either, which the car excels with.
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01-15-2018, 01:33 PM
#4184
Safety Car
At long f-ing last! Depending on how this goes (that is, how the new forced-induction V6 turns out), perhaps they can attract fans of the old 3G TL which is now 10-15 years old. There are plenty of youngsters who are picking up old 3Gs for themselves and lots of older folks who own(ed) them, too. Time to bring the noise!
But the big question is: how closely related will the new turbo-charged V6 be to the NSX's twin-turboed 6-pot?
But the big question is: how closely related will the new turbo-charged V6 be to the NSX's twin-turboed 6-pot?
What's really promising to hear is they specifically call out in numerous words the glory days of the 2004-2008 TL-S and what made they great!!! Never really seem other PR pieces do that and this is VERY promising and looks like they are really listening and knowing to what is needed.
Maybe Acura/Honda does lurk on these forums...lol
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01-15-2018, 01:35 PM
#4185
Safety Car
At long f-ing last! Depending on how this goes (that is, how the new forced-induction V6 turns out), perhaps they can attract fans of the old 3G TL which is now 10-15 years old. There are plenty of youngsters who are picking up old 3Gs for themselves and lots of older folks who own(ed) them, too. Time to bring the noise!
But the big question is: how closely related will the new turbo-charged V6 be to the NSX's twin-turboed 6-pot?
But the big question is: how closely related will the new turbo-charged V6 be to the NSX's twin-turboed 6-pot?
I don't think so. I think they were getting dangerously close to being too little, too late. Look at AZ today- people are beyond stoked at the moment- and with good reason.
personally, I hope this indicates an end to what I consider Acura's dark days. I fucking hate driving CUVs and SUVs, and even the new RDX has me looking at it like "whoa... I could maybe drive this everyday"
personally, I hope this indicates an end to what I consider Acura's dark days. I fucking hate driving CUVs and SUVs, and even the new RDX has me looking at it like "whoa... I could maybe drive this everyday"
Yeah, there are more and more fans posting and contributing to the 5th gen TLX forum it seems....heh
Agreed also on the RDX. The thing is that they also need to greatly make competitive interior materials and luxury feel...really make it a competition that people gnaw over if they want to buy the Acura or a Lexus/BMW....that's when you know you've made it...
01-15-2018, 01:39 PM
#4186
Team Owner
Yeah, unfortunately the godly V6 in the NSX is only for the NSX with its MR layout it seems like...IIRC Honda wanted to shove their FWD-derived V6 back there and just wouldn't work with the engine layout...and so that motor is unique. But definitely I'm hoping lot of trickling down from the NSX tech down into the S line up....
What's really promising to hear is they specifically call out in numerous words the glory days of the 2004-2008 TL-S and what made they great!!! Never really seem other PR pieces do that and this is VERY promising and looks like they are really listening and knowing to what is needed.
Maybe Acura/Honda does lurk on these forums...lol
What's really promising to hear is they specifically call out in numerous words the glory days of the 2004-2008 TL-S and what made they great!!! Never really seem other PR pieces do that and this is VERY promising and looks like they are really listening and knowing to what is needed.
Maybe Acura/Honda does lurk on these forums...lol
I'm starting to wonder if Jon Ikeda is actually Nexx on here, hiding amongst us 
Someone did listen over at Acura. The TLX MMC addressed a ton of shit we wanted them to... but they obviously couldn't give us everything. I'm glad they didnt put out a half assed attempt at the Type S for this gen... they really need that new power plant V6T to set this sucker above the rest of Acura.Also, there is no way anything else would get the NSX engine. It's not even built by Honda/Acura, but rather, cosworth (if I'm not mistaken- or some other racing pedigree engine builder". That engine would be fucking expensive to drop into anything other than a super car.
Someone did listen over at Acura. The TLX MMC addressed a ton of shit we wanted them to... but they obviously couldn't give us everything. I'm glad they didnt put out a half assed attempt at the Type S for this gen... they really need that new power plant V6T to set this sucker above the rest of Acura.Also, there is no way anything else would get the NSX engine. It's not even built by Honda/Acura, but rather, cosworth (if I'm not mistaken- or some other racing pedigree engine builder". That engine would be fucking expensive to drop into anything other than a super car.
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01-15-2018, 02:35 PM
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Although it's sheer speculation on the part of C/D, this is what I am hoping for ....
https://blog.caranddriver.com/acura-confirms-return-of-type-s-nameplate-plus-a-new-and-exclusive-turbo-v-6/
https://blog.caranddriver.com/acura-confirms-return-of-type-s-nameplate-plus-a-new-and-exclusive-turbo-v-6/
Along with the return of Type S, Acura also announced that it is developing a new, turbocharged V-6 engine that will come exclusively with all-wheel drive, which will find its way into multiple products. Although no specifics about the engine’s displacement or power figures have been released, we imagine it will share elements with the 500-hp twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter V-6 found in the Acura NSX supercar.
01-15-2018, 04:43 PM
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Haha this is what I said before. Jon Ikeda got the job about 2.5 years ago. His influence wouldn't really show until right about now. He did a good job with damage limitation with the Acura mmcs like the tlx, rlx, but there's really only so much he could do with smart luxury products given the time, chassis contrains, and budget.
The new RDX shows us a glimpse of what Acura has been planning for the past couple years and it's the first real product based on the precision concept and precision cockpit, under the precision crafted performance theme.
The new RDX shows us a glimpse of what Acura has been planning for the past couple years and it's the first real product based on the precision concept and precision cockpit, under the precision crafted performance theme.
01-15-2018, 06:07 PM
#4189
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Just build a new small platformed integra with a 2.0T and AWD.
Oh wait, that won't happen.
Oh wait, that won't happen.
01-15-2018, 06:14 PM
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01-15-2018, 06:16 PM
#4191
Team Owner
Haha this is what I said before. Jon Ikeda got the job about 2.5 years ago. His influence wouldn't really show until right about now. He did a good job with damage limitation with the Acura mmcs like the tlx, rlx, but there's really only so much he could do with smart luxury products given the time, chassis contrains, and budget.
The new RDX shows us a glimpse of what Acura has been planning for the past couple years and it's the first real product based on the precision concept and precision cockpit, under the precision crafted performance theme.
The new RDX shows us a glimpse of what Acura has been planning for the past couple years and it's the first real product based on the precision concept and precision cockpit, under the precision crafted performance theme.
That just shows how behind Acura was/is.
01-16-2018, 10:00 AM
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AZ Community Team
New RDX interior looks good, want to see it in person for final opinion.
The rest of the RDX looks impressive on paper.
Curious how the TLX and RLX will evolve under Ikeda's leadership.
The last manager/executive at Acura who impressed me was Charlie Baker and that was in the great years (mid-2000's) when they had a very good product line.
The rest of the RDX looks impressive on paper.
Curious how the TLX and RLX will evolve under Ikeda's leadership.
The last manager/executive at Acura who impressed me was Charlie Baker and that was in the great years (mid-2000's) when they had a very good product line.
01-16-2018, 10:50 AM
#4193
Team Owner
Either way... there might be a chance the RDX is stepping on the MDXs toes.. but is that so bad? A mid size CUV can easily be geared towards being sporty. Whereas the MDX is for those who want the 3rd row of seats. Two different buyers, at least in my mind.
Either way... it seems the RDX is the first to move into the turbo realm of Acura. I'm not sure it is very fair to compare turbo vs. non turbo. The next generation MDX will more than likely be above whatever the RDX is rated at. Unfortunately, Acura can't release all new cars, all at the same time. So having a new car catching up to an older one, in terms of performance, isn't all that out of the realm.
I think once all Acuras are rocking turbos, it will be a different story, and we will be back to the power hierarchy as always.
01-16-2018, 10:58 AM
#4194
Team Owner
However, Honda did kill off the Accord coupe.. as it was rumored the Prelude would make a comeback in due time. Again, those cars are fairly similar (Though the Prelude's focus was always on technology). But having two coupes likely isn't in their best interests. It's nice for us consumers to have those choices... but for Honda? Likely not. Back in the day, cars were much simpler with much less investment likely going into developing them. These days, that's not the case. So it makes financial sense to streamline low volume sellers.
Hey now.. don't get too far ahead of yourself. Honda itself rumored an AWD version coming out eventually, back in June 2017. There has been complete silence on that front since- maybe it is dead. However, it seems sales of the CTR have been very strong thus far- if it continues that way, I can see them dropping the AWD version.
if you look underneath the 10G Civic, you can see there is room for a rear diff, in the back. Honda would never spend the money on designing the chassis to be able to handle a rear diff (figuring out spacing, room, reconfig the chassis in the back, etc), if they had no intentions going with it. The bean counters would've loved to save money by making that area flat, as opposed to curving in and around a rear diff. They likely could save $2.50 on materials... the bean counters would be all over it.
The only question is- are they releasing is as a Honda or an Acura? It seems they are late to release an ILX based on the 10G Civic. I dunno. I'm still hoping something comes of it, though.
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01-16-2018, 12:03 PM
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I can see Acura use a detuned CTR technology and put it into other cars but i do not see Acura to come up with something that is better than CTR.
The one of the primary reasons why CTR sells has a lot to do with the name itself, similar to GTR. The name carries certain prestige + we never had a CTR before = hype
Now If Acura gets its own version, obviously it would be more expensive than CTR. In short, no one gives a shit or willing to pay for a $45k Acura CTR. The exact same reason why Infiniti never got its own version of GTR.
For people who want CTR, they want a Honda Civic Type R, not Acura ILX Type S or whatever it is called. For people who dont want a CTR, there is even less reason to get the Acura version.
So if Honda is smart, they would just leave CTR alone.
The one of the primary reasons why CTR sells has a lot to do with the name itself, similar to GTR. The name carries certain prestige + we never had a CTR before = hype
Now If Acura gets its own version, obviously it would be more expensive than CTR. In short, no one gives a shit or willing to pay for a $45k Acura CTR. The exact same reason why Infiniti never got its own version of GTR.
For people who want CTR, they want a Honda Civic Type R, not Acura ILX Type S or whatever it is called. For people who dont want a CTR, there is even less reason to get the Acura version.
So if Honda is smart, they would just leave CTR alone.
01-17-2018, 09:51 AM
#4196
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I'd pay for it. I want the CTR with AWD. I don't care what badge is on it.
I don't want an STi, because they're everywhere and most are driven by young guys with a lot of debt and no common sense. Their paint quality is absolutely horrendous also. That in itself is a major deal breaker for me.
I don't want a Focus RS because I really can't see myself paying 50k for a Ford focus. Sorry. I'd buy any of the other cars in the segment besides this.
I don't want a Golf R because of the very anemic clutch/shifter and already in my experience, poor reliability. Also, that car is meant for the DSG. The 6MT was an after thought.
I don't want a CTR because it looks like it was penned by a sugar high teenager and it only comes in FWD. I've been driving FWD all my life, save for my Nismo and previous Miata. I want to try AWD finally.
I'm at the point finally where I'm looking to replace my '06 TL 6MT. My options are to find a mint '08 Type S 6MT (I currently have an ad posted here across western Canada, looking for one... and I'm willing to pay a pretty penny for the perfect car), or buy a CTR, or just wait.
I don't want an STi, because they're everywhere and most are driven by young guys with a lot of debt and no common sense. Their paint quality is absolutely horrendous also. That in itself is a major deal breaker for me.
I don't want a Focus RS because I really can't see myself paying 50k for a Ford focus. Sorry. I'd buy any of the other cars in the segment besides this.
I don't want a Golf R because of the very anemic clutch/shifter and already in my experience, poor reliability. Also, that car is meant for the DSG. The 6MT was an after thought.
I don't want a CTR because it looks like it was penned by a sugar high teenager and it only comes in FWD. I've been driving FWD all my life, save for my Nismo and previous Miata. I want to try AWD finally.
I'm at the point finally where I'm looking to replace my '06 TL 6MT. My options are to find a mint '08 Type S 6MT (I currently have an ad posted here across western Canada, looking for one... and I'm willing to pay a pretty penny for the perfect car), or buy a CTR, or just wait.
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01-17-2018, 01:26 PM
#4197
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It is not about what we want but does it make sense objectively for them to make it. How many units do you think Acura can move a $45k Acura CTR? BTW: $45k USD is over $50K CAD or whatever higher price Acura will charge in Canada.
Like i said i think Acura will offer some kind of variance of CTR's power train into their cars (See RDX) but a true Acura version of CTR is highly unlikely.
Like i said i think Acura will offer some kind of variance of CTR's power train into their cars (See RDX) but a true Acura version of CTR is highly unlikely.
01-17-2018, 09:10 PM
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It is not about what we want but does it make sense objectively for them to make it. How many units do you think Acura can move a $45k Acura CTR? BTW: $45k USD is over $50K CAD or whatever higher price Acura will charge in Canada.
Like i said i think Acura will offer some kind of variance of CTR's power train into their cars (See RDX) but a true Acura version of CTR is highly unlikely.
Like i said i think Acura will offer some kind of variance of CTR's power train into their cars (See RDX) but a true Acura version of CTR is highly unlikely.
01-24-2018, 09:18 AM
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I'd pay for it. I want the CTR with AWD. I don't care what badge is on it.
I don't want an STi, because they're everywhere and most are driven by young guys with a lot of debt and no common sense. Their paint quality is absolutely horrendous also. That in itself is a major deal breaker for me.
I don't want a Focus RS because I really can't see myself paying 50k for a Ford focus. Sorry. I'd buy any of the other cars in the segment besides this.
I don't want a Golf R because of the very anemic clutch/shifter and already in my experience, poor reliability. Also, that car is meant for the DSG. The 6MT was an after thought.
I don't want a CTR because it looks like it was penned by a sugar high teenager and it only comes in FWD. I've been driving FWD all my life, save for my Nismo and previous Miata. I want to try AWD finally.
I'm at the point finally where I'm looking to replace my '06 TL 6MT. My options are to find a mint '08 Type S 6MT (I currently have an ad posted here across western Canada, looking for one... and I'm willing to pay a pretty penny for the perfect car), or buy a CTR, or just wait.
I don't want an STi, because they're everywhere and most are driven by young guys with a lot of debt and no common sense. Their paint quality is absolutely horrendous also. That in itself is a major deal breaker for me.
I don't want a Focus RS because I really can't see myself paying 50k for a Ford focus. Sorry. I'd buy any of the other cars in the segment besides this.
I don't want a Golf R because of the very anemic clutch/shifter and already in my experience, poor reliability. Also, that car is meant for the DSG. The 6MT was an after thought.
I don't want a CTR because it looks like it was penned by a sugar high teenager and it only comes in FWD. I've been driving FWD all my life, save for my Nismo and previous Miata. I want to try AWD finally.
I'm at the point finally where I'm looking to replace my '06 TL 6MT. My options are to find a mint '08 Type S 6MT (I currently have an ad posted here across western Canada, looking for one... and I'm willing to pay a pretty penny for the perfect car), or buy a CTR, or just wait.
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01-24-2018, 09:24 AM
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The CTR sells itself. It seems most high performance variants of regular cars generally sell pretty well. Especially for Honda/Acura.