polytsx

Here is some further CSX info. I found at Canadian Driver....

Acura introduces new Canada-only CSX compact sedan






Toronto, Ontario – Acura has announced its new CSX luxury compact sedan, which will launch nationwide on November 22 at a base price of $25,400. Built in Alliston, Ontario, the model is exclusive to Canada, and replaces the previous Canada-only, entry-level Acura EL.

The CSX offers a 2.0-litre four-cylinder engine with five-speed manual transmission, and optional five-speed automatic transmission with F1-type paddle shifters. The base Touring model includes four-wheel disc brakes, 16-inch alloy wheels, automatic climate control, cloth upholstery, six airbags, drive-by-wire throttle system and CD/MP3 stereo with six speakers. The Premium, which starts at $28,100, adds leather-trimmed interior with heated front seats, power sunroof, high-intensity discharge headlamps and six-CD changer. Adding a navigation system and automatic transmission tops the Premium sedan out at $31,900.

crisco

I like it. The website is well done too. The price has certainly jumped, but unlike the previous EL, it does distinguish itself from the Civic by using the 2.0L engine, HIDs, and the side mirror turning signals, 6 CD changer, etc.

F23A4

...IMHO, Acura (at least stateside) competes more directly with Infiniti and Lexus than Audi. Then again arguably, the CLK500 competes with the GTO.

That Audi wants a Golf in their lineup is an altogether seperate oddity.

Professor Gascan

No worse than Acura selling an Accord or a Civic.

F23A4

TSX Hokie

This is a Canada-only vehicle, and I think they use Moosepower up there, not Horsepower. 155 MP is really good.

SpeedyV6

But how many miles per imperial gallon does a 155 Moosepower car get?

gdcwatt

Fuel-wise, it'll probably do better than the RSX because of a better aerodynamics, and top-out about 205.

SirWaWa

but the reality is its being done
aka tsx and csx

youngTL

And Honda is laughing all the way to the bank too.

The CSX flash page on acura.ca is really well done!

F23A4

Indeed, the TSX does seem to be selling well. Then again, Honda is adept at finding the niche markets (read: Honda Element) that other mainstreamers (i.e.: Lexus and Infiniti) wont touch.

Professor Gascan

I know, it was a joke.

gilboman

bah...you gotta come to the center of the universe of TO, especially the GTA where lexus/MB/Audi/BMW are the norm

dom

Gilbo, I was in San Franscisco a few weeks ago and saw far more BMW's than I ever do here. Not that there aren't alot of 3 series around but it seemed the only car they sell in Cali are 5 and 3 series.

gilboman

what have you been smoking? bad weed

toyota/lexus outsells honda/acura in canada

even with the new civic, in october 2005 toyota/lexus outsells honda/acura

Honda/Acura 13,579 10,821 +25.5
Toyota/Lexus 14,709 13,805 + 6.5

first number is this year's oct, and second is last year's. as you can see, honda got a nice boost from the new civic but still is behind toyota. if you look at last year, toyota sells about 30% more

we don't have the scion here because toyota can't keep up with demand in the states, so selling canada makes no sense when they can't make enough cars to sell

gilboman

yup..i was in LA/LV in sept and cali is definitely a BMW place, but there were lots of lexus there too especially around the nicer areas of newport beach etc.. but lexus is the best selling luxury make in the US though.

dom

Gilbo you do realize the Acura handling outsells Lexus in Canada right? Although EL plays a large part in that.

Oct 2005

Acura 1,850
Lexus 989

YTD 2005

Acura 18.257
Lexus 8,059

gilboman

yes i do realize that thanks to the civic/EL and the general lower income of canadians, acura does very well since their cars are more suited to the lower end of the luxury spectrum

but the other poster was saying honda/acura outsells toytoa/lexus which is insane and doesnt realize the scion is selling so well that toyota doesnt have enough capacity to meet the US market let alone canadian.

dom

It actually used to be alot closer. I think Honda actually outsold Toyota in Canada 4 to 5 years ago (probly more) Then Toyota just went nuts with lots of trucks and things changed.

F23A4

...to wit, Acura's minimum price of admission (EL) is substantially lower than that of Lexus (ES330) and Infiniti (G35).

MSZ

Thats load of BS, the ONLY reason why they don't bring Scion here because they can't afford to have another low volume brand in Canada. Just like what Lexus is doing right now, the wealthy Canadians never consider the Japanese luxury brands. And the other people who got lower incomes(myself included)would look at cheaper luxury cars like Acura and Infiniti first.

Until Scion tC outsells Civic coupe in the states(which will not happen in our lifetime) we will never see Scion in Canada.

Wake the hell up, gilboman.

gilboman

uh huh... you do know that scion sells around 70,000 scion tC a year in the states?

MSZ

Compare to 300k Civics a year? Man I shouldn't even waste any of my time in this thread.

heyitsme

Scion sales would be in addition to Corolla sales and now Yaris sales. Honda is running behind in the small car market in North America.

heyitsme

Why would a lower income person look at Acura and Infiniti but not Scion? If it were me, starting out, a luxury brand wouldn't be on the list. Scions affordability matched with its quality and high feature content makes it a practical choice.

Considering how popular affordable/smaller cars like the civic are in Canada it would seem like a logical step that Toyota would be introducing them in the future. They really have nothing to lose by doing it.

youngTL

I just found out that the K20 in the CSX has an additional 2 balance shafts over the K20 in the RSX.

http://www.canada.com/national/natio...8-02b04eee749e

youngTL

He meant that people with lower income than the wealthy people. Middle class people like my parents (my dad makes roughly $100k CDN a year, but we have a family of 5 so not that much is available for fun stuff).

gilboman

you said civic coupe. yes you should go away and not waste other's time in this thread since it's blatantly clear that toyota corolla/scion tc outsell the civic by a wide margin.

and i proved you wrong in the reason the scion is not sold in canada

you give all honda owners a bad name for being ignorant of the facts and give totally baseless insight.

toyota don't have enough capacity for scion and is looking to build them in a new plant (originally cambridge expansion, but that is now going to build other models, one of the reason why toyota bought share of subaru is to tap into their existing capacity)

here everybody in the business world and car community is aware of toyota's growth and you come here saying that toyota's poor sales is reason why a model is not avilable in canada when it can't be any further from the truth.

MSZ

You have yet to post some real number to prove me wrong, dom already did so to prove you wrong.

Since when tC and Corolla became the same car? They didn't put them together is their sales chart. They did put Corolla, Martix together as the "Corolla series" to make the numbers looked better than the Civic. Thats a FACT and everyone here knows it. (292,296 "Corolla series" vs 257,749 Civic so far in 2005, that doesn't really mean a damn thing. The gutless Toyota should post some real soild numbers instead of putting different cars together into the same line.)

Civic outsells ALL OTHER cars in Canada 5 years in a row, included Corolla and Camry. (Mind you gilbo, EL wasn't included.) Toyota knows that better and anyone else, they will never bring Scion up here.

MSZ

And yea, everyone should read this:

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jc/compact2.htm

61,041 vs 44,563

Go back to club lexus now gilbo. You won't find any Toyota/Lexus/Scion love here at all.

youngTL

gilboman

are you stupid or just drunk... you said in the US..since when did canadian driver publish US numbers? do you even bother reading what you posted

gilboman

stupidity of a honda riceboy knows no bounds. the civic sells well because its a cheap small car. exactly what the scion is, only that toyota can't make enough scion's to meet demand so it makes no sense to introduce it to the canadian market where demand would be strong.

the matrix is the Corolla matrix because it's the wagon version of the corolla. so are you saying honda makes civic numbers look better because they lump the sedan and coupe?

gilboman

notice how you said STATES. and you have yet to show me numbers for civic coupes in the states?

gilboman

MSZ seems to just make up stuff or forget stuff when he can't back up what he says. he says civic coupe outsells scion tC in states, he can't back it up so he posts civic sedan and coupe sales in another country

if a small car nameplate like scion can do so well in biggie size america, in canada it would do even better. which is why the best selling car in america is the camry, while in canada it's the civic. and the echo sells so well in canada and canada gets the Smart car instead of US. Canadians buy smaller cars, Scion sells smaller cars and is very sucessful in the US, it's common sense that in an even more suited market in Canada it'll do well too.

only problem as analysts and I have pointed out is that toyota don't have enough capacity to build it since they are growing faster than plant capacity basically

Mokos23

wow gilbo is back

gilboman

yup... to set the fanboys like MSZ straight, atleast say something about CSX having ivtec or mugen stuff is avilable instead of saying something he can't back up so he posts some random crap and say he proved his point.

next thing you know, he's gonna say his dad is stronger than mine and when he can't prove it, he post a pic of arnold and say that guy is stronger than my dad and he's proved his point

Mokos23

u still visit the TSX forum gilbo?

MSZ

This is ridiculous. Since when Matrix became the Corolla wagon? Matrix shares the same platform and engine but thats it. Thats the Toyota trick to make up the numbers. If Honda decided to do the samething, Accord should be the #1 selling car in North America since Accord, TSX, TL, RL all shared the same platform. Toyota should rename tC as "Corolla coupe" to make the numbers look even better.

Are you fucking blind or what? I said Honda/Acura owned the Canadian market and the numbers I posted already proved you wrong. Since you have so much time to spend on the internet, how about find some useful, real numbers to show us?

1sicklex and you would make a lovely couple.

MSZ

Yea right, everytime Honda sets a sales record or kicking Toyota's sorry asses in car sales gilboman shows up and make all this shit up. I've seen all of that @ the TSX forum.

Guess what, this underpowered CSX will destory all Lexus sales in Canada too.