i narrowed it down.. which 1?
11-10-2003, 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by brianlin87
are u fuckin kidding me? 10w7 by FARRR
are u fuckin kidding me? 10w7 by FARRR
how so? linearly, the 10W7 and 12W6v2 will displace about the same amount of air. the difference is so small, its not worth comparing.
sound quality? there is no difference sonically between the two subwoofers. only difference between the w6v2 and W7 in general is output. the W7 has the ability to handle more power without going into power compression. with the JL 500/1 amp, its going to power the 12w6v2 to its full potential while the 10w7 might not be unless he builds a box big enough so that it'll reach full excursion. then again, the 12w6v2 is also cheaper and will do just as well as the 10w7 with the amount of power he has in terms of output and sound quality.
i still don't see how the 10w7 is better by FARRR
11-10-2003, 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by GSteg
how so? linearly, the 10W7 and 12W6v2 will displace about the same amount of air. the difference is so small, its not worth comparing.
sound quality? there is no difference sonically between the two subwoofers. only difference between the w6v2 and W7 in general is output. the W7 has the ability to handle more power without going into power compression. with the JL 500/1 amp, its going to power the 12w6v2 to its full potential while the 10w7 might not be unless he builds a box big enough so that it'll reach full excursion. then again, the 12w6v2 is also cheaper and will do just as well as the 10w7 with the amount of power he has in terms of output and sound quality.
i still don't see how the 10w7 is better by FARRR
how so? linearly, the 10W7 and 12W6v2 will displace about the same amount of air. the difference is so small, its not worth comparing.
sound quality? there is no difference sonically between the two subwoofers. only difference between the w6v2 and W7 in general is output. the W7 has the ability to handle more power without going into power compression. with the JL 500/1 amp, its going to power the 12w6v2 to its full potential while the 10w7 might not be unless he builds a box big enough so that it'll reach full excursion. then again, the 12w6v2 is also cheaper and will do just as well as the 10w7 with the amount of power he has in terms of output and sound quality.
i still don't see how the 10w7 is better by FARRR
However, I agree with you. If you look at the specs, the 12W6V2 is slightly more efficent and has a greater cone area. Up to the mechanical limits of the 12X6V2, it would be 2-3 db louder per a given wattage. Is that audible? Not to a normal person.
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Originally posted by proaudio22
Where are you getting power compression specs? Don't pull that up unless you can back it up. Just the size/shape/etc of a speaker doesn't mean shit.
Where are you getting power compression specs? Don't pull that up unless you can back it up. Just the size/shape/etc of a speaker doesn't mean shit.
come to think of it, both subs uses 2.75" diameter coils and the 10w7 has a winding height of 2.3" long. not too sure about the 12w6v2 though, but my guess is that its not as long as the 10w7's coil. but the point is, with the 500/1, power compression isn't going to be much of a problem unless u start reaching the 1kw limits. not to mention the 10w7 has a higher thermal rating.
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Originally posted by GSteg
never said size/shape/etc of a speaker meant anything. infact, the size of the driver doesn't even relate to power compression. more so its the voice coil and the cooling capabilites of the driver that results in power compression.
come to think of it, both subs uses 2.75" diameter coils and the 10w7 has a winding height of 2.3" long. not too sure about the 12w6v2 though, but my guess is that its not as long as the 10w7's coil. but the point is, with the 500/1, power compression isn't going to be much of a problem unless u start reaching the 1kw limits. not to mention the 10w7 has a higher thermal rating.
never said size/shape/etc of a speaker meant anything. infact, the size of the driver doesn't even relate to power compression. more so its the voice coil and the cooling capabilites of the driver that results in power compression.
come to think of it, both subs uses 2.75" diameter coils and the 10w7 has a winding height of 2.3" long. not too sure about the 12w6v2 though, but my guess is that its not as long as the 10w7's coil. but the point is, with the 500/1, power compression isn't going to be much of a problem unless u start reaching the 1kw limits. not to mention the 10w7 has a higher thermal rating.
In his situation, I would say the 12W6 is the better option b/c it's simply cheaper. He's not going to pound the W7 to it's limits with the 500/1.
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exactly. thast why power compression isn't a problem which i recommend the 12w6v2 anyways. doesn't make much sense to buy a sub and now be able to use it to its potential right? 
save a few 10's and get the 12w6v2. i'm sure either route u take, u won't be disappointed.
save a few 10's and get the 12w6v2. i'm sure either route u take, u won't be disappointed.
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Oops, I made a boo-boo:This "it should have more than 3-4db of difference" should read "it should have NO more than 3-4db of difference."
I edited the post, just wanted to point that out so noone got confused.
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eh..just for reference, i emailed Jason Sayen:
Hello,
The 10W7 has a longer coil height winding and will definitely handle power compression better over the W6v2.
Thank you,
Jason Sayen
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so i guess the 10w7 handles power compression better than the 12w6v2 anyways :P
Hello,
The 10W7 has a longer coil height winding and will definitely handle power compression better over the W6v2.
Thank you,
Jason Sayen
Area Sales Director
so i guess the 10w7 handles power compression better than the 12w6v2 anyways :P
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Originally posted by GSteg
eh..just for reference, i emailed Jason Sayen:
Hello,
The 10W7 has a longer coil height winding and will definitely handle power compression better over the W6v2.
Thank you,
Jason Sayen
Area Sales Director
so i guess the 10w7 handles power compression better than the 12w6v2 anyways :P
eh..just for reference, i emailed Jason Sayen:
Hello,
The 10W7 has a longer coil height winding and will definitely handle power compression better over the W6v2.
Thank you,
Jason Sayen
Area Sales Director
so i guess the 10w7 handles power compression better than the 12w6v2 anyways :P
If I can skip to drivers that I know - let me point out an example. A JBL 2206 driver will have a mere 2db power compression after 30 secs and one minute of playing 300 watts of pink noise. An Electrovoice EXV-155 will have only 1db of power compression at 30 secs, but increases to 3db at one minute. This can be viewed as the EV having less power compression at a lesser stress level (normal cruising power) than the JBL, but the JBL will have less at peak performance (pounding the shit out of it). I still think the 12W6 would react better at this power level. No doubt the W7 is a beefier driver and will out pound the W6 at a higher power.
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