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Originally Posted by mconsidine
Also, if I'm feeling daring, I'll plug my wireless LAN card into the slot at some point and see what happens. Wonder if it'll show up on my home network?
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Originally Posted by mconsidine
Good point...
Also, just to clarify : the log file it writes is a list of any error messages it generates. Not data like speed, direction, etc.
Also, just to clarify : the log file it writes is a list of any error messages it generates. Not data like speed, direction, etc.
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Originally Posted by mconsidine
Good point...
Also, just to clarify : the log file it writes is a list of any error messages it generates. Not data like speed, direction, etc.
Also, just to clarify : the log file it writes is a list of any error messages it generates. Not data like speed, direction, etc.
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I succeeded in getting the unit to recognize a 128Mb Compact Flash card. The trick was to format it (on an XP machine) using a FAT partition (as opposed to a FAT32 partition). Presumably that's because the CPU is 16bit, but that's just a guess.
The result was that I was able to use it like the 8Mb one. For some reason, though, logging gyro. data was something I could turn on. That resulted in large binary files getting created each time I selected Save History. I don't know what the format it, but a header on the file reads "Ceylong CU 1.2" and later the word "SRAM" shows up. This would obviously seem to be some kind of static ram dump.
One other note. With a 16bit partition rather than the 12bit partition of the other CF disk, longer file names are allowed. So the data dumps are named MMDDHHMMSENSOR.DAT
(i.e. month-date-hour-minutes, using system/universal time stamps).
The error log files are named according to the convention
YYMMDDHHMMErrHist.TXT
Finally,
log_list.TXT
gets created as well, though the only entry (at the moment) is
Sensor.dat
(I think this is just an elaboration of the filename "stub")
Hope this helps someone.
The result was that I was able to use it like the 8Mb one. For some reason, though, logging gyro. data was something I could turn on. That resulted in large binary files getting created each time I selected Save History. I don't know what the format it, but a header on the file reads "Ceylong CU 1.2" and later the word "SRAM" shows up. This would obviously seem to be some kind of static ram dump.
One other note. With a 16bit partition rather than the 12bit partition of the other CF disk, longer file names are allowed. So the data dumps are named MMDDHHMMSENSOR.DAT
(i.e. month-date-hour-minutes, using system/universal time stamps).
The error log files are named according to the convention
YYMMDDHHMMErrHist.TXT
Finally,
log_list.TXT
gets created as well, though the only entry (at the moment) is
Sensor.dat
(I think this is just an elaboration of the filename "stub")
Hope this helps someone.
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Originally Posted by mconsidine
I succeeded in getting the unit to recognize a 128Mb Compact Flash card. The trick was to format it (on an XP machine) using a FAT partition (as opposed to a FAT32 partition). Presumably that's because the CPU is 16bit, but that's just a guess.
The result was that I was able to use it like the 8Mb one. For some reason, though, logging gyro. data was something I could turn on. That resulted in large binary files getting created each time I selected Save History. I don't know what the format it, but a header on the file reads "Ceylong CU 1.2" and later the word "SRAM" shows up. This would obviously seem to be some kind of static ram dump.
One other note. With a 16bit partition rather than the 12bit partition of the other CF disk, longer file names are allowed. So the data dumps are named MMDDHHMMSENSOR.DAT
(i.e. month-date-hour-minutes, using system/universal time stamps).
The error log files are named according to the convention
YYMMDDHHMMErrHist.TXT
Finally,
log_list.TXT
gets created as well, though the only entry (at the moment) is
Sensor.dat
(I think this is just an elaboration of the filename "stub")
Hope this helps someone.
The result was that I was able to use it like the 8Mb one. For some reason, though, logging gyro. data was something I could turn on. That resulted in large binary files getting created each time I selected Save History. I don't know what the format it, but a header on the file reads "Ceylong CU 1.2" and later the word "SRAM" shows up. This would obviously seem to be some kind of static ram dump.
One other note. With a 16bit partition rather than the 12bit partition of the other CF disk, longer file names are allowed. So the data dumps are named MMDDHHMMSENSOR.DAT
(i.e. month-date-hour-minutes, using system/universal time stamps).
The error log files are named according to the convention
YYMMDDHHMMErrHist.TXT
Finally,
log_list.TXT
gets created as well, though the only entry (at the moment) is
Sensor.dat
(I think this is just an elaboration of the filename "stub")
Hope this helps someone.
Here is mconsidine's log that he sent me...I'm hosting it like a good kid.
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sloppy programming?
I can see it at the Alpine labs:
Developer: Sir, the navi works but we're getting a lot of warnings in the logs, we need more time to clean the code up, or we can run into problems in the future.
Manager: So the code works, and is stable!
Developer: No, we've got warnings, we need at least two more da...
Manager: Great! I'll label it as production code.
Developer: Fine, whatever, nobody will see the errors anyway.
I can see it at the Alpine labs:
Developer: Sir, the navi works but we're getting a lot of warnings in the logs, we need more time to clean the code up, or we can run into problems in the future.
Manager: So the code works, and is stable!
Developer: No, we've got warnings, we need at least two more da...
Manager: Great! I'll label it as production code.
Developer: Fine, whatever, nobody will see the errors anyway.
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I'd vote for sloppy programming, IMHO. It's also evident when you select "Card Load" when there is nothing on the card for it to load. I get "ATA Card Read Error" and a frozen Navi. The only thing that seems to allow it reboot is a restart of the car. Better programming would have handled that "nicely."
Does anyone know of a way of rebooting it without a restart? It would also be useful to know how to force a load from dvd without having to go through menus (i.e. force a load with some key press combo).
Does anyone know of a way of rebooting it without a restart? It would also be useful to know how to force a load from dvd without having to go through menus (i.e. force a load with some key press combo).
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Originally Posted by mconsidine
Does anyone know of a way of rebooting it without a restart? It would also be useful to know how to force a load from dvd without having to go through menus (i.e. force a load with some key press combo).
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Originally Posted by mconsidine
I succeeded in getting the unit to recognize a 128Mb Compact Flash card. The trick was to format it (on an XP machine) using a FAT partition (as opposed to a FAT32 partition). Presumably that's because the CPU is 16bit, but that's just a guess.
I reformated my 512M CF, put bins on it then tried to load. The same result - "ATA card read error".
I think I should investigate the loader and this task is high priority.
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I double checked the two CF formats : 16Mb was 12-bit FAT, 128Mb was FAT (16bit, I assume). It's possible that the reader doesn't like storage over a certain size??
I've moved the relevant BIN file over to CF and will try to load it. Looking through the other files on the disk, it would seem that it might also need 2 other files. One seems to be a list of BIN files and the other seems to some sort of loader. (Maybe it's the bootloader - I don't have the file names handy ...)
If my car works after doing this and I make it home I'll report on it <G>
(In all seriousness, the car has worked fine with the Navi either not loaded because the DVD was missing, or because I had locked it about at various screens...)
I've moved the relevant BIN file over to CF and will try to load it. Looking through the other files on the disk, it would seem that it might also need 2 other files. One seems to be a list of BIN files and the other seems to some sort of loader. (Maybe it's the bootloader - I don't have the file names handy ...)
If my car works after doing this and I make it home I'll report on it <G>
(In all seriousness, the car has worked fine with the Navi either not loaded because the DVD was missing, or because I had locked it about at various screens...)
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Originally Posted by mconsidine
I double checked the two CF formats : 16Mb was 12-bit FAT, 128Mb was FAT (16bit, I assume). It's possible that the reader doesn't like storage over a certain size??
I've moved the relevant BIN file over to CF and will try to load it. Looking through the other files on the disk, it would seem that it might also need 2 other files. One seems to be a list of BIN files and the other seems to some sort of loader. (Maybe it's the bootloader - I don't have the file names handy ...)
If my car works after doing this and I make it home I'll report on it <G>
(In all seriousness, the car has worked fine with the Navi either not loaded because the DVD was missing, or because I had locked it about at various screens...)
I've moved the relevant BIN file over to CF and will try to load it. Looking through the other files on the disk, it would seem that it might also need 2 other files. One seems to be a list of BIN files and the other seems to some sort of loader. (Maybe it's the bootloader - I don't have the file names handy ...)
If my car works after doing this and I make it home I'll report on it <G>
(In all seriousness, the car has worked fine with the Navi either not loaded because the DVD was missing, or because I had locked it about at various screens...)
I believe you need just two files: one is the small bin (but not ...zzz file) and the other is ROM image itself.
Actually as you remember I've already tried 16M CF card without success.
64M CF did not work either.
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Yeah, I know. That was a poorly-executed tongue-in-cheek comment ![Wink](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
Anyway, I just tried "Card Load" with the following files on the Card :
80000000.BMP
BN2HH12C.BIN
BN2HHMLD.BIN
PRG_INFO.MNG
(this is on an '04 TL ...)
There were a couple of other auto-unrelated folders on the disk as well (which has not stopped it from successfully writing log files).
The result was an "ATA Card Read Error" freeze screen.
I looked at the DVD on regular CD/DVD reader and did not see any hidden files. Any ideas what I'm missing?
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Anyway, I just tried "Card Load" with the following files on the Card :
80000000.BMP
BN2HH12C.BIN
BN2HHMLD.BIN
PRG_INFO.MNG
(this is on an '04 TL ...)
There were a couple of other auto-unrelated folders on the disk as well (which has not stopped it from successfully writing log files).
The result was an "ATA Card Read Error" freeze screen.
I looked at the DVD on regular CD/DVD reader and did not see any hidden files. Any ideas what I'm missing?
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Originally Posted by mconsidine
It's possible that the reader doesn't like storage over a certain size??
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FWIW, putting a D-Link 802.11g wireless network card in the PCMCIA slot doesn't accomplish anything. Either because the size of the card prevents the door from closing (which the system detects) or because it doesn't have a driver, the familiar "PC Card is not inserted" error is generated.
Looking through the text of one of the files loaded, though, seems to suggest that the system might be able to recognize things other than storage in that slot (e.g. ethernet adapter, modem).
Looking through the text of one of the files loaded, though, seems to suggest that the system might be able to recognize things other than storage in that slot (e.g. ethernet adapter, modem).
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It would be really cool if I could park my car outside and see it as a network drive on my desktop just think about the fun we could have with a remote control program like Funk Proxy or Dameware.
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I copied as many of the relevant files as I could to a 128Mb (16bit FAT) Compact Flash/PCMCIA card and tried "Card Load". I didn't work. Got the same "ATA Card Read Error." Turning on the log of the gyro. readings (whatever the heck that means), generated a 2Mb file over the space of a 1hr car ride.
I'll try doing the same thing to the smaller, 16Mb, 12bit FAT Compact Flash and see if that makes any difference. My hunch is that it won't. I wonder if the loader checks for a certain number of files or timestamps?
Does anyone know if there's another layer on the DVD and whether or not the loader could be checking for some file that is there, but unreadable by a common DVD reader?
FWIW ...
I'll try doing the same thing to the smaller, 16Mb, 12bit FAT Compact Flash and see if that makes any difference. My hunch is that it won't. I wonder if the loader checks for a certain number of files or timestamps?
Does anyone know if there's another layer on the DVD and whether or not the loader could be checking for some file that is there, but unreadable by a common DVD reader?
FWIW ...
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Originally Posted by mconsidine
I copied as many of the relevant files as I could to a 128Mb (16bit FAT) Compact Flash/PCMCIA card and tried "Card Load". I didn't work. Got the same "ATA Card Read Error." Turning on the log of the gyro. readings (whatever the heck that means), generated a 2Mb file over the space of a 1hr car ride.
I'll try doing the same thing to the smaller, 16Mb, 12bit FAT Compact Flash and see if that makes any difference. My hunch is that it won't. I wonder if the loader checks for a certain number of files or timestamps?
Does anyone know if there's another layer on the DVD and whether or not the loader could be checking for some file that is there, but unreadable by a common DVD reader?
FWIW ...
I'll try doing the same thing to the smaller, 16Mb, 12bit FAT Compact Flash and see if that makes any difference. My hunch is that it won't. I wonder if the loader checks for a certain number of files or timestamps?
Does anyone know if there's another layer on the DVD and whether or not the loader could be checking for some file that is there, but unreadable by a common DVD reader?
FWIW ...
Now I am investigating the loader. It is hard work and I don't expect immidiate results. But I am very persistent person (I think I proved it).
It seems like ROM can be loaded from CD/DVD, ATA Card, IC Card (what is it?) and even parallel port! The last thing is very intresting. Where is LPT connector?
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I think IC Card is stay for LAN Card (remember "NIC adapter" in PC world?).
The loader definitely tries to initialize LAN adapter - I see it in code (function InitLANBoardTest - it is very intresting name, isn't it?).
The loader definitely tries to initialize LAN adapter - I see it in code (function InitLANBoardTest - it is very intresting name, isn't it?).
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FWIW, taking the files I had on the Compact Flash and burning them to a CD-R seemed to result in the ability to boot from the CD. Anyone know what could be different between the two media that would cause the "Load" option to work in one case, but not the other?
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New (to me) sub-menu:
Go to "Developer" screen.
Select "System History"
You'll get a list of errors and a chance to save them if a Storage Card is loaded.
Now, while here, hold the Menu button for 3-5 seconds.
You'll get an "Exception Information" screen, with what appears to be a history of major
software "exceptions."
Select Save.
When I checked the log file (I had 4 exceptions listed), I had a 192Kb *text* file that looks
like the output you'd get if you had a debug flag turned on.
... FWIW
Go to "Developer" screen.
Select "System History"
You'll get a list of errors and a chance to save them if a Storage Card is loaded.
Now, while here, hold the Menu button for 3-5 seconds.
You'll get an "Exception Information" screen, with what appears to be a history of major
software "exceptions."
Select Save.
When I checked the log file (I had 4 exceptions listed), I had a 192Kb *text* file that looks
like the output you'd get if you had a debug flag turned on.
... FWIW
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"Card LOAD" looking for the file NK.BIN
It is obvious because Diag.exe does not contain any other names (except some names for files where logs are stored).
I think it is just renamed ROM image file. But it could be a loader (but I am doubt about it).
It is too dangerous to check it.
It seems like the loader on DVD does not contain code for loading from PC Card (despite the fact that it contains some messages that are mentioned PC Card). At least I can't find it but I found and even understand a lot of code that deal with loading form DVD. I see too possibilities:
1. PC Card should contain special loader (with name NK.BIN ?)
2. Loader is not required in case of PC Card. ROM image must be called "NK.BIN"
Anyway I think I spent too much time on it. We can use CD-R/RW too loading our ROM images. And it is obvious that nothing is wrong with our cards - navi can read them. It is enough for our needs.
I think the next step should be to write "Hello, world" program. It is a difficult task but I am sure it is doable. From the loader's code I learn how to show messages on the screen. From Diag.exe and other executables we can learn how to create windows and draw something.
It is obvious because Diag.exe does not contain any other names (except some names for files where logs are stored).
I think it is just renamed ROM image file. But it could be a loader (but I am doubt about it).
It is too dangerous to check it.
It seems like the loader on DVD does not contain code for loading from PC Card (despite the fact that it contains some messages that are mentioned PC Card). At least I can't find it but I found and even understand a lot of code that deal with loading form DVD. I see too possibilities:
1. PC Card should contain special loader (with name NK.BIN ?)
2. Loader is not required in case of PC Card. ROM image must be called "NK.BIN"
Anyway I think I spent too much time on it. We can use CD-R/RW too loading our ROM images. And it is obvious that nothing is wrong with our cards - navi can read them. It is enough for our needs.
I think the next step should be to write "Hello, world" program. It is a difficult task but I am sure it is doable. From the loader's code I learn how to show messages on the screen. From Diag.exe and other executables we can learn how to create windows and draw something.
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On an '04 TL I just tried renaming both the relevant .BIN file and the BN2HHMLD.BIN file (alternately) to NK.BIN and tried "Card Load" in each case. Got the same error in each case : "ATA Card Read Error"
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A different question, since it's a variant of Windows : if there is no master boot record (like on a PC's system disk) *and* the flash ROM gets corrupted, is there a way to force a boot using some sort of AutoPlay/Autoexec program? Or, rather, would the system automatically boot from a DVD/CD if there were an appropriately named file? In the absence of everything else, does WinCE/Auto have a fallback program it looks for?
I guess this all hinges on the "ATA Card Read Error", "Software Downloading...", etc. messages come from WinCE in some hardwired chip somewhere, rather than the previously loaded version of the system.
I guess this all hinges on the "ATA Card Read Error", "Software Downloading...", etc. messages come from WinCE in some hardwired chip somewhere, rather than the previously loaded version of the system.
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A different question, since it's a variant of Windows : if there is no master boot record (like on a PC's system disk) *and* the flash ROM gets corrupted, is there a way to force a boot using some sort of AutoPlay/Autoexec program? Or, rather, would the system automatically boot from a DVD/CD if there were an appropriately named file? In the absence of everything else, does WinCE/Auto have a fallback program it looks for?
I guess this all hinges on the "ATA Card Read Error", "Software Downloading...", etc. messages come from WinCE in some hardwired chip somewhere, rather than the previously loaded version of the system.
I guess this all hinges on the "ATA Card Read Error", "Software Downloading...", etc. messages come from WinCE in some hardwired chip somewhere, rather than the previously loaded version of the system.
Maybe navi contains ROM with its own loader. But it also possible that it does not have ROM cheaps. Maybe it contains separated flashROM chip for loader.
BTW, have you seen ROM chips inside navi unit?
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On an '04 TL I just tried renaming both the relevant .BIN file and the BN2HHMLD.BIN file (alternately) to NK.BIN and tried "Card Load" in each case. Got the same error in each case : "ATA Card Read Error"
... for what it's worth.
... for what it's worth.
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Originally Posted by who00knows
So did anyone ever figure out if we can use the 05 model discs..........RL...TL....TSX........
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05 RL DVD on a 05 TL?
So are you saying that an 05 RL disk with the extra NAV features might actually work in a 05 TL? How on earth can I get my local dealer to send me a RL disk? I could probably convince them to let me try swapping them from another car for a quick test...hmmmm.....
Assuming it works, has anyone figured out exact steps to copy one of these disks? What media and programs are needed?
Thanks in advance!
Assuming it works, has anyone figured out exact steps to copy one of these disks? What media and programs are needed?
Thanks in advance!
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Hey ak217,
Sorry I haven't checked the forum in some time. I actually tested loading the ROMs from CDRs and CDRWs when I was fooling around with the files and renaming them. Let me know if you want some help testing as I'd like to help. My initial intention was to change the Acura logo to Honda but still retain all the 04 TL functionality i.e. XM, Sub and center speaker control, etc.
jonnerd154, I have a Dual Layer DVD burner and a few blank DVD+R DL media. If you send me 2 clean DVD burns of the files you obtained off of the 05 RL disk, I'll do a Dual Layer burn test. PM me and let me know.
DL media is around $13 a pop so please ensure that the rip and burn are clean i.e. do verification on the files. LMK.
Sorry I haven't checked the forum in some time. I actually tested loading the ROMs from CDRs and CDRWs when I was fooling around with the files and renaming them. Let me know if you want some help testing as I'd like to help. My initial intention was to change the Acura logo to Honda but still retain all the 04 TL functionality i.e. XM, Sub and center speaker control, etc.
jonnerd154, I have a Dual Layer DVD burner and a few blank DVD+R DL media. If you send me 2 clean DVD burns of the files you obtained off of the 05 RL disk, I'll do a Dual Layer burn test. PM me and let me know.
DL media is around $13 a pop so please ensure that the rip and burn are clean i.e. do verification on the files. LMK.
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Originally Posted by jhs2
So are you saying that an 05 RL disk with the extra NAV features might actually work in a 05 TL? How on earth can I get my local dealer to send me a RL disk? I could probably convince them to let me try swapping them from another car for a quick test...hmmmm.....
Assuming it works, has anyone figured out exact steps to copy one of these disks? What media and programs are needed?
Thanks in advance!
Assuming it works, has anyone figured out exact steps to copy one of these disks? What media and programs are needed?
Thanks in advance!
I've done with the Accord image and forced my TL to load the Accord image but I loose some of the functionality...