I'm thinking about changing the whole system in my TL eventually.As of right now I'm thinking of installing the Pioneer AVH-P3200BT.
but then eventually get:
Amplifier: Infinity Kappa Five
Front Speakers:Sony Xplod XS-GTX1620S(Components)
Rear Speakers:Kenwood KFC-P509PS(Components)
Rear Deck Subwoofer:Pioneer TS-SW841D

I'm just looking at a pretty decent system

 

Do you like the sound of those speakers? If so, then it is a good upgrade. I do suggest that you eliminate the rear speakers and instead put that money toward a better set of front speakers.

 

Question, where do you put the subs in a TL? sorry to ask, im just learning

 

Either you replace the stock sub in the rear deck and amp it up, or put a bigger sub in a box and throw it in the trunk.

 

I agree, at the very least swap the sony's for some co-axials and put the kenwoods up front. I've never been a fan of sony speakers and I've been installing this stuff for 10 years. I have the same sub in my car, works great. Good luck with your upgrade.

 

I would also suggest powering that sub with it's own amp though.

 

so get rid of the sony components and put the 5 1/4" kenwood component setup up front and some co-axials in the rear?

does getting 5 1/4" matter over 6 1/2' if i'm just going to have them set to hpf?

is the class d amp alright even tho by the specs its a little better(to me) then the infinity reference 5250a?

plusthe kappa five will give more power to the pioneer IB sub

 

Will JVC Arsenal CS-AR500(5 1/4") co axials be fine in the rear doors?

 

Sorry, didn't realize your Kenwod's were 5 1/4. I would def. put 6 1/2 components in the front doors, and 6 1/2 co-axials in the rear. As far as the amp goes, even with the Kappa 5, you are only getting 200w @ 4 ohms bridged and only 50w to your door speakers. IMO 5 cahnnel amps are over rated, what I mean by that is that you can get more power and better quality sound by buying two amps, and if you shop around, you might be surprised to find that you may get two for the price you would pay for a 5 channel.

 

I'm going across of crutchfield and it says the only 6 1/2" components and 6 1/2" coaxials that will really fit are the sonys.

 

crutchfeild blows man. Trust me, as long as you get some 3/4" spacers, nearly any 6.5 comp will fit. I personally have the Boston Acoustic 6.5 pro components up front and the Boston Acoustic SL 65 in the rear. I used spacers to get the clearance I needed, but they fit fine and sound great.

 

whre would i be able to get the spacers?would the spacers also act as speaker adapters?

 

do these sount ok?
front: 6 3/4" component Boston Acoustics SC60
rear: 6 1/2" shallow mount Polk Audio db651s

 

taking your advise here are the two amps i'm firmly sticking with
Mono(for the sub): Pioneer GM-D500M(@ 200w rms x1 @ 4 ohms)
4 Channel(door speakers:Pioneer GM-6400F(@ 60w rms x 4 @ 4 ohms)

is the sub amp to powerful for the pioneer shallow sub(which is at 120rms @ 4 ohms)?or is it just enough due to the fact its in a free-air enviroment?

 

That sub amp should be good, I have 300 w running to mine. The Boston speakers are great, and yes if you install the spacers, then there is no need for adapters, but you will still need spacers for the rear also. I ran the 1" spacers in the front and the 3/4" spacers in the rear. I got mine from www.sonicelectronix.com They also have much better prices than crutchfield.

 

I also installed an 8" baffle under the sub, so that it was not playing free air, it won't hurt it to play free- air, it just sounds better imo.

 

Def check out that site I just listed, the two amps you listed are $60 cheaper.

 

i'm using sonic electronix also i just use my crutchfield account to save all the pieces that i need then when it comes time I'll buy from s.e

where you get your 8" baffle tho?
and about the spacers,did they come with the boston acoustics or you have to find them?

 

i changed my mind about the rear speakers and i'll install the Boston Acoustics SC65( i think their similar to the ones you have in your rear)

 

is this baffle big enough for the sub?
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_237XT80...h+baffle&ssi=0

 

The spacers are on the S.E. site, it's under installation accesories. They have 1" ones and 3/4" ones. The baffle I found on crutchfield, S.E. has them, but not in an 8". Also, FYI, you can make a wishlist on the S.E. site and save it, then when you are ready, pull it up and add items to your cart and check out.

 

that's it, I had to trim it a little b/c it was too deep, but it worked.

 

Jerzyboi....did you decide what speakers/amp combo you'll go with? If you haven't, here's my .02cents. I'm partial to Polk Audio and believe for the money, they sound excellent and provide very rich, detailed sound reproduction. Personally, I would not go with 2 brands of speakers because each manufacture has their destinctive sound. As for the amp, I run Alpine's MRV-f450 5 channel and it's plenty of power for my front Polk seps, rear Polk 6x9s, and 1-10" Polk DVC sub. All this is controlled by my DSP.

Go to the store, bring your favorite CD, and listen to a wealth of speakers.Your ears will tell you exactly what you need to buy. Good luck...

 

oh you had to trim it so it would be able to fit under the retaining bar?
i'm also thinking about getting baffles for all of the door speakers is this over kill?
for the sub,did you just drop it in or did you have to do any modifying to get it in.

and zcspec i'm going with all boston acoustics(components up front and co axials similiar to the setup in nbp03tl-s' car)

 

boston acoustics...good choice!

 

yeah the baffle was a little too deep, so I trimmed it to fit, it's foam, so It wasn't a big deal. Baffles for the door speakers are not a bad idea, but even more effective are the dynamat squares you put in the door behind the speakers. The sub just dropped right in, I had to drill a few new holes for mounting it, but that was easy too.

 

[quote=nbp03tl-s;11771516]but even more effective are the dynamat squares you put in the door behind the speakers.quote]

I'll 2nd this...I just completed "dynamatted" my front doors. This resulted in signficant reduction in vibration and sound distortion.

 

Dynamat is not the best product for the job, just the most well known... I personally prefer Second Skin Damplifier Pro. It's hands down the best deadener on the market (well, the most available best product out there). There are some European companies that make a decent product, but they're hard as hell to get.

Check out Damp Pro and all the other Second Skin goodies at: www.secondskinaudio.com

And I gained .5db in my testing using ~12 sq ft of Damp Pro on my door skins. So this stuff really does work.

 

good thing the pioneer sub drops right in.I was going to use the earthquake sws-8 but i wasn't sure about the longevity of their products.

I'm still baffled about 2 more things
if you use the baffles do you cut holes for speaker wires? and is it worth getting 2 separates amps over one amp?( i ask due to the extra wiring and extra power draw or will this be a non factor)

 

You're going to have to get the speaker wire in there somehow. Might as well just cut a couple holes in those "baffle" rubber pieces. I still don't see a point in using those. But hey, if you want to spend the money on them, be my guest.

2 amps won't necessarily draw more current than 1 amp. Think about it this way, if they're outputing the same amount of power, the amps are probably going to need roughly the same amount of input power. It doesn't matter if you're using 1 amp or 2.

 

I just cut a hole in the baffle for the wire and sealed it with silicone. Like I said before I didn't use baffles in the doors, and I wasn't saying you should dynamat the entire door, not that it's a bad idea, just not a necessary expense unless you are going all out. What I was referring to was these: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...Pak+11800.html, I was saying just use these instead of baffles in the doors.

 

i definitely didn't plan on using dynamat in my doors, that's why i was looking at the baffles but that dynaxorb look neat. so from the images on S.E you basically lay that stuff behind the speaker and it absorbs the backwaves (sound coming out the back of the speaker)?

 

and my main question of the whole build is:
where did you put your tweeters and crossover for the front components? did you have time alignment issues

 

No. I put my tweeters on the plastic piece where the side mirror is. I put the crossovers in the doors n the back of the door panel. The dynasorb squares stick directly to the inside of the door.

 

I have pics of the install somewhere, I will see if I can find them.

 

that's the same place i planned to put my tweeters i just thought since the steering wheel and the instrument cluster would get in the way,atleast on the drivers side.

 

it's not an issue, the Bostons come with angled mounting cups so you can angle them to point back at you.

 

i think i got all the info i need so when it comes time to order and have an installer put this stuff in i should be good

 

lmk, when you are ready, I can help you with the install.

 

another question

did you go all out and replace everything at once or go step at a time?