spdandpwr

The Ilx is insane....and that's not a good thing. I'm sorry but for 299 a month with 3399 down, you could get a much, much better car. Leasing is probably the least logical thing to do, despite the fact that most entry level buyers lease their vehicles. In fact, I could get a tsx for 299 with 1999 down, and this is for a larger car, with similar options, and a more powerful motor. I wonder how leasing rates are created.

weather

I agree with you guys that the pricing scheme used by Acura leaves alot to be desired and could be their problem. I am afraid that what they might do is a price adjustment upward for the TSX and TL to make the spread more significant and justify each segment of the brand. I know they can't afford to push it too high as it will hurt their sales number but again, they could still do it slowly and gradually so that few would notice it (or make the increase more palatable)

Rocket_man

I swung by my local Acura dealer today while I was out and they have a Black/Black ILX Tech. It was locked on the lot and didn't want to deal with a salesman so I just looked it over. I do like the styling both inside and out. I think it makes a nice fit in the Acura line up... but the price on the sticker was more than people are currently paying for a TSX Tech. So that part I really don't get. If the price were lower I think they would sell a ton. Of course I haven't driven it either.

If they are going to move the new TSX/TL/TLX that much higher in price it will have to be justified. They just can't update the current TSX with no new features or value and expect to get $2 grand more for it.

spdandpwr

The smartest thing for acura to do is to axe the tsx immediately because if people are coming into the acura dealer looking for an ilx and see the prices of the tsx, they will just go over and buy the tsx instead. If you noticed, the way acura serves up its special offers page has changed, it no longer features all the cars listed, but rather there are tabs for each car... probably because the ilx's lease rates are ridiculous.

Flyboy4yang

Saw the ILX at the local Acura dealership here and it's body lines reminds me of a Lexus IS. Not a bad looking car, but yea the price is too close to the TSX.

ttribe

Meh.

cls1000

Huh? 2013 is supposed to be the last year for the TSX, from everything I've read. ILX, TLX & RLX is the lineup going forward from everything I've read. That's why Acura isn't concerned about price since the TSX is all but dead anyway.


I stopped and looked at the ILX the other night. I like it. Much better looking in person. It seems to be fairly close in size to my 1st. gen TSX, which is a good thing. It was after hours so I didn't have to talk to a salesperson, so I didn't get to poke around the interior at all.

Rocket_man

I meant that when they update the TSX/TL to the TLX they need to put a few thounsand dollars worth of improvements into the car to separate it from the ILX. Not just raise the price. I'm not sure how they are going to do that.

cls1000

Do you think the prices will go up when the new engine/transmission combos become available?

To answer your question, I don't think it will be a big deal. The ILX doesn't come standard with HID's, leather, etc. which I would think the new, upcoming models will be. Keeping that in mind with the general rule of thumb that new car prices go up every year, and with the lower staring point of the ILX, I'm sure it will all fall into place once the new lineup is all there. Sure, looks like a mess now, but change takes time. I'm sure they wish it could be done all at once, lol. I don't imagine Acura is thrilled with all the seemingly negative feedback this car is getting thus far.

I just thought about it, but upon looking at the front of the car, it looks like they did away with the LED DRL's on the front as well? That's a bummer. That's one of the hottest design trends going on right now. I mean I guess there could be some integrated into the headlamp housing, but I never noticed them. They're def. not in the bumper like on the pre-production model.

Rocket_man

The current TSX comes standard with leather and HID. Acura is going to need to separate it further from the ILX. Simply adding push button start isn't going to cut a significant price increase. New engines won't either since there is likely to be little perfromance difference. Previous TSX next gen cars didn't raise the price significantly. I don't have the numbers but I recall it was only a few hundred dollars each time. That is not going to separate it from the ILX. With the ILX Tech and the TSX Tech less than $1,000 in MSRP and less in actual selling price something has to change beside the ED engines and PBS.

beach109

As of this afternoon, we had the black/black Tech pictured above, and received a black/parchment Tech and a graphite/ebony Hybrid Tech.

By close tonight both of our Techs were sold, and just the Hybrid left. Hope to have a buyer for it soon, in addition to our other incoming units.

Compared to the TSX, one buyer traded out of a 2010 TSX Tech to a new ILX Tech lease, and the other from a VW Beetle convertible. Both liked the TSX but preferred the look and size of the ILX more.

More to come, 6-spd included, before long.

gonzo08452

I like the car for what it is. It just doesn't fit my growing family. I think it would be a great used car buy though.

Rocket_man

Great... so what did they go for??? :-)

spdandpwr

What did the ilx tech lease come to, in terms of payments? I only ask because I can lease a new tsx for the same money as acura quotes for the ilx premium lease and put less money down on the tsx...and this is without negotiating prices. No offense to the purchaser of the vehicle, but given acura's current lease incentives, it makes more sense to lease a new tsx (even with tech) than it does leasing an ilx tech...in fact you might save a few bucks on the tsx and it's a shorter lease term.

beach109

There is not a question that the program on the TSX is better.

In this case, both buyers just really liked the ILX package and look more than they did the TSX.

beach109

Before it left with thrilled new owners, I was able to capture the new Crystal Black and Parchment ILX Tech after PDI and detail for delivery. The CBP and Parchment really make a difference, especially inside.

gonzo08452

^^^nice pics....until you see this

weather

This is a great little car, looks sharp and has great proportions! The biggest mistake Acura made, and what may eventually kill the chance of a full blown success of the ILX, is not having killed the TSX when they launched this car. I know its been said numerous time already but having this car with the TSX engine in Auto/Manual with tech packagae available across the board would have made this car a hot seller! It would have made the difference in size between the ILX and TL much more substantial (as teh price point), would have given buyers a great performer (and nimble too). The only reason I think they didn't was because the RL is not a seller anymore so dropping their lineup to only 2 REAL sellers would have made the brand too weak.

If acura would have been smart, they would have brought the re-designed RL and the ILX at the same time and gotten rid of the TSX at the same time. Then you would have had the ILX, the TL and the RLX.

I look at the ILX and I say to myself...man this could be a fun little car to toss around but its hard to push a car that has so little HP. To me, a luxury brand should not have a sedan with less than 200hp...Thats just me.

spdandpwr

+1 to your whole post. But for the power thing: Maybe power is an American thing because, in europe, some of the luxury brands offer models with diesel engines or small petrol engines with less than 200hp.

BDoggPrelude

You know what is the first thing I noticed...the ILX is the first Acura in 27 years, (other than the NSX), that doesn't have "ACURA" spelled out on the left side of the trunk.

Rocket_man

I think the TSX will definitely limit the appeal of the ILX but some will buy it because they like the style or the size. But maybe next model year the TSX will be 'gone' and remade into the TLX which will (or we assume) set it further apart from the ILX. Hopefully this is the same point that the ILX will get the ED engine upgrade. Then the price point may make a little more sense. If I were a 1st year buyer of the ILX and they changed engines next year at the same price point I might be a little annoyed.

Rocket_man

The '13 RDX doesn't either. It must be a new thing.

cls1000

Well, if they hold true and put them in "as soon as they're available" like has been said, it should be before next year. The new Accord coming out this fall will have the ED engines, so I would think around that time, maybe (wishful thinking) they will put the new stuff in.

I read some place else that the ILX was orig. supposed to be the debut of the Earth Dreams engines, but the Tsunami put that on the back shelf. Don't know if that's true or not, but it could make sense.

silverTL6

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In general, Acura seems to be taking more cues from German luxury brands:

- knobs instead of buttons for HVAC
- HVAC controls moved to lower console and out of safe viewing range
- guage pods replaced with plain guages
- dash made up of multiple plasticky pieces with large gaps
- shared steering wheel designs across models
- BMW sharkfin antenna
- plain interior door panels with no accent trim (ala 3-series)
- gimmicky non-touch screen nav
- no leather/HID's in base model

This is evident in the RLX/RDX/ILX, which likely means the TLX and MDX will follow suit

Rocket_man

The accord will have the 2.4L ED engine and that is later this year. You'd hope the 2.0 would be soon, but it doesn't seem like Honda makes major changes like this mid-year. They will wait for a new MY but they will not wait for the MMC update.

CoquiTSX

It seems like the group that designed Acura's successful new look (beak) was promoted to marketing where they continue with their great ideas.

afjock21

Acura should be held accountable for their actions here.. what a disaster.

ILX should be at the MOST 275 a month with NOTHING 0 NADA money DOWN

Type34

Dude, you can barely get a Civic for that. Current offers. Civic is $220/mo + tax/title/dealer fees, which are usually around $1000 (which is $29 for 35 months). So that's $249 + tax. Not sure where you're located, but let's say a 9% tax rate (Los Angeles) and you're looking at $271.41/mo with zero down for a base Civic with an auto trans.

Side-note: interesting that Acura put nicer 17" wheels on the ILX than the TSX.

gonzo08452

The interior looks fantastic. Lots of nice tasteful little details like the chrome surrounding the cup holder. The material looks expensive and comfy. I like it a lot but, really have no need for anything smaller than the TSX.

gwai1o

actually it looks more like a kia to me..



...or a 335



...or an a5



...or this wagon



...Ok, maybe not the wagon.

Point is, Cars have similarities. Always have. Always will.



(not being year specific here, car buffs, just making a joke)

The ILX looks fine. Not my favorite design, but far from the worst I've seen.. Almost every company has an ugly stepchild (Murano Cabrio anybody? Scion iQ? Any Ford Focus. EVER?)

Perhaps it will do well...but what the hell does ILX stand for? And how will it resonate with uneducated buyers looking for entry level luxury?



Justin-

SSFTSX

rear of IS looks far better. IS250 has smaller turning radius than ILX. If they make IS a little bigger for 2014. that will be my car.

aLittleFavour

i'd like to see the quality of the leather in person

cls1000

Its 4.2" shorter than the 1st. gen TSX and 6.5" shorter than the 2nd. gen car.

That little bit really a deal breaker for ya, eh?

odus

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saw it in person today sat in this horrible car way to small for me but for a small person that maybe weighs 120 pounds it would be great. but that fact stands its not as nice as a tsx and its a damn shame they are going to kill it off for this thing.

Colin

Ha ha. And all those folks were complaining that the G2 TSX got too "big and bloated".... now people will complain that the ILX is too small. People just like to complain.

odus

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who ever said the g2 tsx was big and bloated needs to drive a 8th gen 4 door accord lol that thing is huge but my wife loves it so oh well. funny thing is if you look at the sale numbers i think they leased and sold more tsx than TL's so killing the tsx is a horrible decision.

Colin

I'm 1000% sure that 14,676 YTD TL sales generates more profit for HMC than 15,012 YTD TSX sales does, considering the Yen to dollar exchange rate. So cancelling the TSX (which has actually been denied) makes perfect business sense.

So here's my take. There will be a 2013 TSX for those that want it. If the TSX is removed, it's likely that it will be 'blended' with the TL when these two cars are up for a FMC in 2014. If they continue with it, maybe we'll see the following;

ILX @ 179"
TSX @ 186"
TL @ 193"
RLX @ 196-199"

If blended, maybe:
ILX @179"
TLX @ 186"
RLX @ 196"

Maybe they'll add a coupe on the (former) TSX chassis?
ILX @ 179"
CLX @ 183"
TLX @ 190"
RLX @ 196-199"

The point is, there are a lot of options for Acura to pursue, the entire sedan lineup will be refreshed, and the ILX is simply the first out of the chute.

Edward'TLS

^^^^^

Agree, Acura currently has too many overlapping models which compete between one another, rather than helping to capture more market share.

odus

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ILX is still not the answer acura should have put out but there going to keep fucking up one way or another

cls1000

What the hell does "FMC" mean? lol