View Poll Results: Which ILX will you pick up?
1.5L CVT Hybrid
6
7.69%
2.0 5spd Auto
13
16.67%
2.4L 6spd Man
33
42.31%
Im sticking w/ the TSX 4 banger
31
39.74%
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Which one will you pick up?
03-06-2012, 11:06 PM
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I'll take the 2.4 6speed. Up here we have the csx type s which this car is basically going to replace.
03-24-2012, 11:57 PM
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If Acura comes to their senses and decide to offer a 2.4 with the Tech package, I'll be first in line for one. Without the tech package I can't convince myself to trade up from my 08 accord coupe EX-L 5MT.
How many A4 2.0 Prestige 6MT Quatro does Audi sell? I doubt it is very many since they have 9 trim levels to choose from (and thats just the sedan!). But at least they still make them!
How many A4 2.0 Prestige 6MT Quatro does Audi sell? I doubt it is very many since they have 9 trim levels to choose from (and thats just the sedan!). But at least they still make them!
03-25-2012, 06:39 AM
#4
I can tell you that for the years that the 6MT was offered with Navi in the TSX we sold exactly two. TWO in 5-6 years (covering 1G and 2G) and both were to the same person!
Personally, I'm out of luck cause I'd love to have a Fit with a 6MT and HID (and bluetooth without navi) or even a 2.0 ILX or Hybrid with a 6MT, but I understand that they can't make cars to please the .05% and still keep costs in line for the 99.95%. Just my
03-25-2012, 06:51 AM
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it's a car-drive it
Then go buy one. What is stopping you? Is it the stupidly high price? Did you consider that offering trims that so few buy raises the price of all the cars in the lineup because increased manufacturing complexity adds cost.
I can tell you that for the years that the 6MT was offered with Navi in the TSX we sold exactly two. TWO in 5-6 years (covering 1G and 2G) and both were to the same person!
Personally, I'm out of luck cause I'd love to have a Fit with a 6MT and HID (and bluetooth without navi) or even a 2.0 ILX or Hybrid with a 6MT, but I understand that they can't make cars to please the .05% and still keep costs in line for the 99.95%. Just my
I can tell you that for the years that the 6MT was offered with Navi in the TSX we sold exactly two. TWO in 5-6 years (covering 1G and 2G) and both were to the same person!
Personally, I'm out of luck cause I'd love to have a Fit with a 6MT and HID (and bluetooth without navi) or even a 2.0 ILX or Hybrid with a 6MT, but I understand that they can't make cars to please the .05% and still keep costs in line for the 99.95%. Just my
03-25-2012, 10:24 AM
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When I bought my accord coupe EX-L 5MT, the closest one my dealer could find was 300 miles away and it just happened to be the color I wanted. If I wanted the 6MT, it would have been a 3 month wait and I would have been the 4th person in line at just that dealer. There are obviously people out there who want them, Honda just makes it nearly impossible for them to find one. It was difficult to even find a salesman that knew what trims were offered with a MT!
03-25-2012, 01:13 PM
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David_Dude
Unfortunately for Acura, nothing is stoping me. If it costs more to get what I want, then I will pay more! And I don't think Audi is going broke because they offer trims that "so few buy". Audi recorded a record 12.1% profit margin last year!
When I bought my accord coupe EX-L 5MT, the closest one my dealer could find was 300 miles away and it just happened to be the color I wanted. If I wanted the 6MT, it would have been a 3 month wait and I would have been the 4th person in line at just that dealer. There are obviously people out there who want them, Honda just makes it nearly impossible for them to find one. It was difficult to even find a salesman that knew what trims were offered with a MT!
When I bought my accord coupe EX-L 5MT, the closest one my dealer could find was 300 miles away and it just happened to be the color I wanted. If I wanted the 6MT, it would have been a 3 month wait and I would have been the 4th person in line at just that dealer. There are obviously people out there who want them, Honda just makes it nearly impossible for them to find one. It was difficult to even find a salesman that knew what trims were offered with a MT!
People look for prestige and will pay to show it off. That's how society is. People tend to show off their wealth. Throw in some attractive lease deals and you have a bunch of owners with nice cars, but w/out real leather, HIDs, etc. Pretty much base models.
That's how Audi is making a profit. Charge more to get less.
Acura is the opposite, charge less and get almost everything.
Also not many people drive manuals. They're usually the last to get rid of compared to the autos. Plus there's plenty of people that want them, but they're the minority.
I say maybe all manufacturers should charge at least 2x more for an auto, improve the manual so it matches/exceed the mpgs of an auto/cvt, make the pricing overall attractive and maybe that'll help with more people owning them in the future.
just a thought.
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03-25-2012, 01:29 PM
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Unfortunately for Acura, nothing is stoping me. If it costs more to get what I want, then I will pay more! And I don't think Audi is going broke because they offer trims that "so few buy". Audi recorded a record 12.1% profit margin last year!
There are obviously people out there who want them, Honda just makes it nearly impossible for them to find one. It was difficult to even find a salesman that knew what trims were offered with a MT!
There are obviously people out there who want them, Honda just makes it nearly impossible for them to find one. It was difficult to even find a salesman that knew what trims were offered with a MT!
Typically, an Acura store needs to inventory 3 cars for every one they sell. This is why nobody want's to hassle a Manual in such limited numbers. Few dealers want to stock three to sell one in manuals? They'll also need to deal with the interior and exterior colors in this calculation. So if you wanted to make an honest effort to inventory manuals, you'll need 6-7 (at least) in various colors. Adding a Tech package makes that number 12-14. Then you're faced with how long it will take to sell these cars. If you were a business, would you want to tie up $250-300,000 for 6 or 8 months and then sell them at the break even point?
Look, I'm not saying you have to like it. I don't like it cause I'm a manual driver too. I've only owned manuals starting with my first car in 1980. But we have to face facts that we're a dying breed. And as our numbers dwindle, it only makes sense that the choices will dwindle proportionally.
03-25-2012, 01:48 PM
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They are a HUGE minority, but the are a very vocal portion of the customer base. And I hate to make it sound like the manual transmission driver is the 'problem' cause it's not the case. The 'problem' is your neighbor who used to drive a manual but gave it up for an automatic because: "too much traffic now", "with the kids its too hard", "my wife (or husband) won't drive one", I'm too old for that (ironic since most of the remaining are older).
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03-25-2012, 03:33 PM
#10
it's a car-drive it
proud to be part of the minority-Will be owning MT as long as we can get them. Besides the tsx we were able to buy a 07 Mitsubishi Raider truck with 6MT and a 11 hyundai sonata with 6MT. Sold the truck.
03-25-2012, 06:36 PM
#11
David_Dude
The market for manuals continues to get smaller and smaller. Fewer young buyers even know how to drive one, and older buyers are abandoning them left and right. I've seen this shift personally with my own customers who WERE manual enthusiasts. I'd bet that half the people that had manual Integras went with an auto when they upgraded to the TSX, and even the few remaining ones slowly switched to autos for the next car. The change has been dramatic, and in the 16 years that I've been selling Acuras, I've seen it first hand. I don't want this taken the wrong way, but many here who only buy cars once every 3-5 years don't have the same perspective as a dealership does where we talk to hundreds a month. And admittedly, our perspective is different than the factory who know exactly what EVERY dealer has in inventory AND how long it takes to sell.
They are a HUGE minority, but the are a very vocal portion of the customer base. And I hate to make it sound like the manual transmission driver is the 'problem' cause it's not the case. The 'problem' is your neighbor who used to drive a manual but gave it up for an automatic because: "too much traffic now", "with the kids its too hard", "my wife (or husband) won't drive one", I'm too old for that (ironic since most of the remaining are older).
They are a HUGE minority, but the are a very vocal portion of the customer base. And I hate to make it sound like the manual transmission driver is the 'problem' cause it's not the case. The 'problem' is your neighbor who used to drive a manual but gave it up for an automatic because: "too much traffic now", "with the kids its too hard", "my wife (or husband) won't drive one", I'm too old for that (ironic since most of the remaining are older).
with all of this.
AND to add to it will keep driving them as long as they're available.
Thats a skill not many people can brag about. You should see peoples reaction when they're about to take someones car to the store and realize its a manual.
Definitely changes priority on which car will be driven for the night when going out to party. No one wants to get stuck with a manual and dont know how to drive one. lol I've seen that first hand. For example: "Oh im DD'ing s we'll take Car A (manual)." The DD gets drunk and everyone's stuck.
03-25-2012, 06:51 PM
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I really set myself up to be disappointed when I wrongly assumed Acura would sell a 2.4 Tech. And I'm still having a really hard time accepting that they won't! If I had my heart set on a 2.4 Premium and all Acura offered was a 2.4 Tech, I'd gladly pick up the Tech. The other way around? No dice.
What other luxury cars (with MT) can you buy without being able to add navigation??? This is something I'd have to look into. What about entry level cars with MT? Is this common outside of Honda?
Absolutely not! The business minded part of me would say that the current system is fundamentally flawed and severely inefficient, but presents a huge opportunity for improvement! I don't see the competitive advantage of selling low volume near-luxury vehicles in the same way you sell high volume economy cars.
03-25-2012, 10:08 PM
#13
What other luxury cars (with MT) can you buy without being able to add navigation??? This is something I'd have to look into. What about entry level cars with MT? Is this common outside of Honda?
I don't see the competitive advantage of selling low volume near-luxury vehicles in the same way you sell high volume economy cars.
03-25-2012, 10:12 PM
#14
I remember once when the '00 was pretty new and unique on the road, we were at a light with a freeway onramp ahead. Two lanes become one. A civic with a fart can exhaust pulls up and starts revvin' on her. She looks at me and say's "what should I do?" I said, "smoke 'em!" ... and she did. LOL
03-26-2012, 12:55 AM
#15
David_Dude
My wife, a manual driver too, feels the same way. It was funny when she'd be in her S2000 and someone would pull up on her and do a doubletake when they saw the driver!?
I remember once when the '00 was pretty new and unique on the road, we were at a light with a freeway onramp ahead. Two lanes become one. A civic with a fart can exhaust pulls up and starts revvin' on her. She looks at me and say's "what should I do?" I said, "smoke 'em!" ... and she did. LOL
I remember once when the '00 was pretty new and unique on the road, we were at a light with a freeway onramp ahead. Two lanes become one. A civic with a fart can exhaust pulls up and starts revvin' on her. She looks at me and say's "what should I do?" I said, "smoke 'em!" ... and she did. LOL
03-26-2012, 05:37 AM
#16
Racer
isn't all of the options customizations what makes a luxury brand a luxury brand? and isn't that what also makes Acuras better and more expensive then a honda? Guess Acura just can't compete with the other lux brands so needs to stick to value and lower end clients.
We should look at the ilx is as an extention of the civic and a way for honda to cover more of the same ground with a slightly better name and warranty for a little more money.
I personally hope this is Acura just being cautious on release and will broaden the ilx offerings as sales numbers and demand justifies it. I also hope they don't go the other way and cut offerings like multiple interior colors with exterior colors to make it less expensive. Then it will be just another Honda and every high school senior will have one. If this happens I will pull the acura symbols off my car.
Honestly I came from BMWs and I guess I'm not a normal acura buyer too. Hell I'm one of the few who own a zdx.(which i honestly love)
We should look at the ilx is as an extention of the civic and a way for honda to cover more of the same ground with a slightly better name and warranty for a little more money.
I personally hope this is Acura just being cautious on release and will broaden the ilx offerings as sales numbers and demand justifies it. I also hope they don't go the other way and cut offerings like multiple interior colors with exterior colors to make it less expensive. Then it will be just another Honda and every high school senior will have one. If this happens I will pull the acura symbols off my car.
Honestly I came from BMWs and I guess I'm not a normal acura buyer too. Hell I'm one of the few who own a zdx.(which i honestly love)
03-26-2012, 07:53 AM
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Three Wheelin'
I too own a ZDX and I think their big mistake is not offering the 2.4 with a 5 or 6 speed auto and a Tech package. Both my wife and myself can drive stick and have had mostly stick for the majority of our vehicles and while I still enjoy driving a manual I want the tech goodies and more power as my first choice.
03-26-2012, 08:04 AM
#18
it's a car-drive it
My wife, a manual driver too, feels the same way. It was funny when she'd be in her S2000 and someone would pull up on her and do a doubletake when they saw the driver!?
I remember once when the '00 was pretty new and unique on the road, we were at a light with a freeway onramp ahead. Two lanes become one. A civic with a fart can exhaust pulls up and starts revvin' on her. She looks at me and say's "what should I do?" I said, "smoke 'em!" ... and she did. LOL
I remember once when the '00 was pretty new and unique on the road, we were at a light with a freeway onramp ahead. Two lanes become one. A civic with a fart can exhaust pulls up and starts revvin' on her. She looks at me and say's "what should I do?" I said, "smoke 'em!" ... and she did. LOL
03-27-2012, 12:03 AM
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I think Acura's biggest competitive advantage over its competion is value. What you get for the money. It is not badge prestige, it is not ultimate performance, it is as they themselves say "smart luxury." This means keeping cost low and fewer choices is one way of doing that.
Let's be honest, in the end most of us bought an Acura because of it's value. If we wanted the ultimate in luxury, or performace, and cost wasn't a factor we would be on this board.
I've been looking at the new 3-series. I like it A LOT, but I'm looking at $43-45K for what I want. And owning an E46 it was not the most reliable car, certainly much less than my TSX. So while I desire the BMW, and it excits me, the pratical side of me keeps the TSX in mind. I will wait to see what the new TSX/TL looks like and make a decision then.
Acura is my practical option, if cost were no object I would not have the TSX that I drive everyday. Truthfully neither would most of us.
I also believe with new dual clutch autos becoming more common, the days of the MT are limitied. The sport transmission in the new 3-series sounds awesome, better than the MT.
Let's be honest, in the end most of us bought an Acura because of it's value. If we wanted the ultimate in luxury, or performace, and cost wasn't a factor we would be on this board.
I've been looking at the new 3-series. I like it A LOT, but I'm looking at $43-45K for what I want. And owning an E46 it was not the most reliable car, certainly much less than my TSX. So while I desire the BMW, and it excits me, the pratical side of me keeps the TSX in mind. I will wait to see what the new TSX/TL looks like and make a decision then.
Acura is my practical option, if cost were no object I would not have the TSX that I drive everyday. Truthfully neither would most of us.
I also believe with new dual clutch autos becoming more common, the days of the MT are limitied. The sport transmission in the new 3-series sounds awesome, better than the MT.
03-27-2012, 07:39 PM
#20
Racer
I think Acura's biggest competitive advantage over its competion is value. What you get for the money. It is not badge prestige, it is not ultimate performance, it is as they themselves say "smart luxury." This means keeping cost low and fewer choices is one way of doing that.
Let's be honest, in the end most of us bought an Acura because of it's value. If we wanted the ultimate in luxury, or performace, and cost wasn't a factor we would be on this board.
I've been looking at the new 3-series. I like it A LOT, but I'm looking at $43-45K for what I want. And owning an E46 it was not the most reliable car, certainly much less than my TSX. So while I desire the BMW, and it excits me, the pratical side of me keeps the TSX in mind. I will wait to see what the new TSX/TL looks like and make a decision then.
Acura is my practical option, if cost were no object I would not have the TSX that I drive everyday. Truthfully neither would most of us.
I also believe with new dual clutch autos becoming more common, the days of the MT are limitied. The sport transmission in the new 3-series sounds awesome, better than the MT.
Let's be honest, in the end most of us bought an Acura because of it's value. If we wanted the ultimate in luxury, or performace, and cost wasn't a factor we would be on this board.
I've been looking at the new 3-series. I like it A LOT, but I'm looking at $43-45K for what I want. And owning an E46 it was not the most reliable car, certainly much less than my TSX. So while I desire the BMW, and it excits me, the pratical side of me keeps the TSX in mind. I will wait to see what the new TSX/TL looks like and make a decision then.
Acura is my practical option, if cost were no object I would not have the TSX that I drive everyday. Truthfully neither would most of us.
I also believe with new dual clutch autos becoming more common, the days of the MT are limitied. The sport transmission in the new 3-series sounds awesome, better than the MT.
I honestly think sh-awd is much better than the xdrive I had on my 08 x5.
Reliability on my BMWs were ok but deffinately worse than my Acuras
I think if Acura decided to build the ILX with all of the performance, power and luxury features that the BMWs offer for the same price or lease rates as a BMW with honda/acura reliability that would be sweet and the car I want.
Guess I will have to wait for the NSX. thank god I have three years to save money. Guess the ZDX will have to do till then.
03-28-2012, 01:58 AM
#21
Summer is Coming
This is getting OT but I've had 3 BMWs the most expensive was a 2007 550 which msrp was $67000. Although they all were great cars I honestly like my 2010 ZDX advance best. Its smoother when it needs to be and I can switch to sport and make it handle like a sport car when I want to have some fun. To me this is proof that if Honda/Acura wanted to they could build a car that drives and performs as well as BMW.
I honestly think sh-awd is much better than the xdrive I had on my 08 x5.
Reliability on my BMWs were ok but deffinately worse than my Acuras
I think if Acura decided to build the ILX with all of the performance, power and luxury features that the BMWs offer for the same price or lease rates as a BMW with honda/acura reliability that would be sweet and the car I want.
Guess I will have to wait for the NSX. thank god I have three years to save money. Guess the ZDX will have to do till then.
I honestly think sh-awd is much better than the xdrive I had on my 08 x5.
Reliability on my BMWs were ok but deffinately worse than my Acuras
I think if Acura decided to build the ILX with all of the performance, power and luxury features that the BMWs offer for the same price or lease rates as a BMW with honda/acura reliability that would be sweet and the car I want.
Guess I will have to wait for the NSX. thank god I have three years to save money. Guess the ZDX will have to do till then.
03-28-2012, 06:45 AM
#22
The market for manuals continues to get smaller and smaller. Fewer young buyers even know how to drive one, and older buyers are abandoning them left and right. I've seen this shift personally with my own customers who WERE manual enthusiasts. I'd bet that half the people that had manual Integras went with an auto when they upgraded to the TSX, and even the few remaining ones slowly switched to autos for the next car. The change has been dramatic, and in the 16 years that I've been selling Acuras, I've seen it first hand. I don't want this taken the wrong way, but many here who only buy cars once every 3-5 years don't have the same perspective as a dealership does where we talk to hundreds a month. And admittedly, our perspective is different than the factory who know exactly what EVERY dealer has in inventory AND how long it takes to sell.
They are a HUGE minority, but the are a very vocal portion of the customer base. And I hate to make it sound like the manual transmission driver is the 'problem' cause it's not the case. The 'problem' is your neighbor who used to drive a manual but gave it up for an automatic because: "too much traffic now", "with the kids its too hard", "my wife (or husband) won't drive one", I'm too old for that (ironic since most of the remaining are older).
They are a HUGE minority, but the are a very vocal portion of the customer base. And I hate to make it sound like the manual transmission driver is the 'problem' cause it's not the case. The 'problem' is your neighbor who used to drive a manual but gave it up for an automatic because: "too much traffic now", "with the kids its too hard", "my wife (or husband) won't drive one", I'm too old for that (ironic since most of the remaining are older).
. I'd rather save my legs for the tennis courts.
03-28-2012, 01:42 PM
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it's a car-drive it
Next trip will in a few weeks to celebrate my mom's birthday.
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04-03-2012, 09:25 PM
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That's because the germans charge too much for what you get AND they can get away with it. The price of admission. People look for prestige and will pay to show it off. That's how society is. People tend to show off their wealth. Throw in some attractive lease deals and you have a bunch of owners with nice cars, but w/out real leather, HIDs, etc. Pretty much base models. That's how Audi is making a profit. Charge more to get less. Acura is the opposite, charge less and get almost everything.
Also not many people drive manuals. They're usually the last to get rid of compared to the autos. Plus there's plenty of people that want them, but they're the minority. I say maybe all manufacturers should charge at least 2x more for an auto, improve the manual so it matches/exceed the mpgs of an auto/cvt, make the pricing overall attractive and maybe that'll help with more people owning them in the future. just a thought.
People look for prestige and will pay to show it off. That's how society is. People tend to show off their wealth. Throw in some attractive lease deals and you have a bunch of owners with nice cars, but w/out real leather, HIDs, etc. Pretty much base models. That's how Audi is making a profit. Charge more to get less. Acura is the opposite, charge less and get almost everything.Also not many people drive manuals. They're usually the last to get rid of compared to the autos. Plus there's plenty of people that want them, but they're the minority.
I say maybe all manufacturers should charge at least 2x more for an auto, improve the manual so it matches/exceed the mpgs of an auto/cvt, make the pricing overall attractive and maybe that'll help with more people owning them in the future. just a thought.I don't have a stick shift car, and only learned how to from beater cars my friends had and learned that way. Now I'm okay with a manual, but I feel much more comfortable with an auto. It's just easier to drive to me.
04-03-2012, 09:42 PM
#28
David_Dude
Also the vast majority of people cannot drive a stick shift at all. And even among those that do, probably don't drive such a car on a regular basis.
I don't have a stick shift car, and only learned how to from beater cars my friends had and learned that way. Now I'm okay with a manual, but I feel much more comfortable with an auto. It's just easier to drive to me.
I don't have a stick shift car, and only learned how to from beater cars my friends had and learned that way. Now I'm okay with a manual, but I feel much more comfortable with an auto. It's just easier to drive to me.
04-10-2012, 06:09 AM
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04-10-2012, 10:48 AM
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Speaking of manual vs automatic that's another big downfall of this car. I need something with automatic for my wife to be able to drive, if the 2.4L had a 6 speed dual clutch automatic that would've been perfect. I'm not sure what the hell Acura is doing with their transmissions but not many car makers are still using 5 speed automatic transmissions, what is this the 90's? 
04-12-2012, 01:51 PM
#32
Maybe Honda should fix that creaky"Clutch Master Cylinder".. That was a turn off for me.
04-18-2012, 11:04 AM
#33
So basically Acura's decision to not offer the 2.4 six speed with the tech package, is making a friend of mine seriously consider a Honda Civic Si instead. Weird hole to leave open, that not only can you no longer get the TSX equipped this way, but also the new ILX? What are they thinking. He would have assuredly gone with the Special Edition with Tech package but also not available. I'd like to know their rationale behind this decision. Guess we will never know.
04-18-2012, 02:32 PM
#34
A recap of Acura_Dude's contributions to this thread:
The ILX is another attempt from Acura to covet the young buyers that are in the market for their first "luxury" car. Acura is saying the ILX will be a cheaper alternative to cars like the Buick Verano and the Audi A3. So...
we will most likely see lots of new AZ members with "DUDE" in their screen names.
The ILX is another attempt from Acura to covet the young buyers that are in the market for their first "luxury" car. Acura is saying the ILX will be a cheaper alternative to cars like the Buick Verano and the Audi A3. So...
we will most likely see lots of new AZ members with "DUDE" in their screen names.
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04-18-2012, 05:03 PM
#36
David_Dude
Mr. Marco
I like my contributions. The ILX will more than likely be a good seller for Acura just like the TSX is now. Price plays an important role in a lot of things. It's similarly equipped to the TSX, just smaller. I'll still wait to actually see the car in person, that'll explain a lot. A serious question though, would you check the ILX out? I know Acura somewhat cheapened the brand with this car, but the same could've been said with the TSX when it first came out, except that it was WAY more of value compared to the ILX.
I like my contributions. The ILX will more than likely be a good seller for Acura just like the TSX is now. Price plays an important role in a lot of things. It's similarly equipped to the TSX, just smaller. I'll still wait to actually see the car in person, that'll explain a lot. A serious question though, would you check the ILX out? I know Acura somewhat cheapened the brand with this car, but the same could've been said with the TSX when it first came out, except that it was WAY more of value compared to the ILX.
04-18-2012, 08:24 PM
#37
ILX was very nice in person at the auto show. Center stack was nice, but seemed on the large side for such a small car.
Hoping that the price comes down from what was previously posted here in this forum. If I can remember correctly, the RSX was low high teens, low 20s when it was sold. Granted there has been inflation and other advances since that car was released. But Hopefully this car can really be an entrance car for Acura. If it was to start in the high 20s, then I think they are pricing themselves out of the market. Buick Verano has the right pricing I think for this segment.
Hoping that the price comes down from what was previously posted here in this forum. If I can remember correctly, the RSX was low high teens, low 20s when it was sold. Granted there has been inflation and other advances since that car was released. But Hopefully this car can really be an entrance car for Acura. If it was to start in the high 20s, then I think they are pricing themselves out of the market. Buick Verano has the right pricing I think for this segment.
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