schen72

When you downshift, it does rev-match. It does it better than I ever could have, back when I drove a manual car years ago.

TacoBello

Right, but it's all done by computer logic. That's all I'm saying. And yes, those computers are much better than any of us ever will be. There's no denying that. I'm still not sure how this thread derailed on to this topic, lol.

So is the Si actually faster than the ILX? I'm guessing the ILX is a little heavier, but faster shifting... What's the net result?

schen72

There's a reason I stopped driving manual cars. I live in the SF bay area and traffic is horrible. I love that DCT exists to provide the response of manual but convenience of automatic!

schen72

Probably not enough difference for a normal person to tell in the real world, is my guess. But if you had a really capable driver in the SI who could shift really well, I imagine the SI is a hair faster as the ILX definitely has a lot more "stuff" that increases weight.

I'm happy to let the computer do all the rev-matching as I can't do it well myself. If there was no DCT option on the ILX, I still would have bought an automatic. Traffic sucks the fun out of a manual.

TacoBello

Is it possible to, say, be in neutral and rev your car up to 4-5k rpm and then flip it into first gear? I don't ever do clutch dumps, but I'm curious if the computer allows it anyway.

schen72

Don't know if this would work. I won't be doing it on my car as I don't want to break anything. But I'd happily do it on a rental! Even if this did work, it's not something that I would ever do. I want my cars to last as I keep them for 15-20 years.

justnspace

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depends on who gets the jump first

usdmJON

Taco gets it.

Im willing to bet if justin left the gate open long enough more people would be in agreement.

Sure the dct is similar to a manual. Its similar. But to the real world the 2016 ilx is an automatic. Not a manual.

ggesq

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In the real world, it is not a MANUAL but it is closer to being a manual than to an automatic.

justnspace

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semi-auto? semi-mani?

who the fuck cares, only you and taco do!

usdmJON

I said the dct was a fancy automatic with two clutches. He considers it a manual.

usdmJON

Clearly the people posting care. lol

I simply said the damn dct was a fancy auto and that pissed people off enough to challange me. Not my fault people cant take an opinion.

iforyou

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haha this goes back to the earlier post that I made:

2014 Honda Civic Si Sedan Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
2016 Acura ILX A-Spec Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
2016 Honda Civic EX-L Coupe Test ? Review ? Car and Driver

Civic Si 6MT vs ILX 8DCT vs Civic 1.5T CVT

They all do 0-60mph in 6.5 to 6.6s.

They all do 1/4 mile in 15.1 to 15.2s, at 94 to 95mph.

To me, they are pretty much as fast as each other. It all depends on driver's skill and reaction time.

schen72

If you go by the definition of "automatic" as: anything that doesn't require the driver to actually depress clutch and move shifter, then yes, DCT is a fancy automatic.

I still stand by my opinion that a DCT is manual in "operation" that has the shifting actions automated by computers, solenoids, and what not.

We can stop beating this horse and just agree to disagree.

TacoBello

Honestly, I'm surprised this debate is still happening. It's a transmission. It has gears. Let's move on.

usdmJON

Lets get to the meat of it... And thats which octane is in the si and ilx when they race because thats what matters.

And if either have upgraded tires.

schen72

Need nitrogen, because it adds maybe 5hp.

usdmJON

Thats nothing. I've seen 97 octane and a set up upgraded tires enough to make an RLX faster than... what an M5?

haidarh

Hello,
The thread started from ILX vs SI and end up a discussion around Manual clutch vs automatic vs dual clutch (DCT).
ILX 2016 2.4L has 201HP with DCT. Civic Si has 205HP Manual Transmission
Long story make it short both share same chassis, however Si is for the guys in their 20s (costs less) and ILX for those in their 30s want some power but not that obvious. My 16 spec was very cushiony so I replaced both sway bars, got the Eibach Civic SI package (fits on bolt no mod) the car has much better handling.
Back to your speeding, it depends on the driver and how well you know to pull up. The ILX has the advantage with the dual clutch. Changing from one clutch to another takes anywhere between eight and 200 milliseconds; that’s considerably faster than the half second or more required by most manual drivers to change gears. By wasting less time between gears, DCTs are often able to outsprint their manual equivalents. That been said for non-turbo new engines or Type R.
I have the DCT and its pretty good, in sport mode the transmission behaves different and you will love it if you try it. for instance, ur speed is 50mph and rpm is around 4k when you slow down to 30mph the transmission revs up to keep your rpm at 4k (lower the gear)which gives you the edge in case you want to kick it again u have the torque. Same thing in manual but in DCT it does it for you.
Acura did a mistake by releasing the 16ilx without a small turbo like the new civics now. Imagine 1.5l turbo civic produces 178hp so with 2.4l turbo probably ILX will produce 270hp.

haidarh

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I’m assuming you live in Canada because in the US we don’t have the more than 91 octane. I see you comparing RLX to a BMW M5?
If the M5 is an older model like year 2000 will do 0-60 in 4.6 seconds and the newest M5 2014 from 0-60 is 3.6 seconds. 575hp
Never compare an RLX to M5. The newer BMW engines comes with twin turbo are flying machines on wheels if modified. I have seen 335i 2008 beating a Nissan GTR with Few modes costs you few thousands.

iforyou

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Yea, DCT certainly helps with accelerating quickly off the line, where most gear changes are done! With a manual, you gotta be banging each shift perfectly (shift rpm, ultra fasts shifting without mis-shifting, etc). The DCT does it all extremely fast without ever mis-shifting.

I don't think it was a mistake by Acura for not releasing the small turbo engine for the ILX. It's possible that engine wasn't designed to work in that chassis. After all, the 2016 Civic has a brand new chassis. Also, it's possible that the turbo engine wasn't ready when the 2016 ILX made its debut.

usdmJON

My post was 100% sarcasm.