2016 ILX Vs 2015 SI
#41
Three Wheelin'
Agreed, but really, there is nothing manual about the DCT. It works like a manual, but there's nothing manual about the whole system.
Can you rev match it? Nope. Can you heel-toe it? Nope. Can you clutch dump it? Actually, I'm not even sure on this one, lol, but I'd be surprised if you could.
Can you rev match it? Nope. Can you heel-toe it? Nope. Can you clutch dump it? Actually, I'm not even sure on this one, lol, but I'd be surprised if you could.
#42
Team Owner
Right, but it's all done by computer logic. That's all I'm saying. And yes, those computers are much better than any of us ever will be. There's no denying that. I'm still not sure how this thread derailed on to this topic, lol.
So is the Si actually faster than the ILX? I'm guessing the ILX is a little heavier, but faster shifting... What's the net result?
So is the Si actually faster than the ILX? I'm guessing the ILX is a little heavier, but faster shifting... What's the net result?
#43
Three Wheelin'
There's a reason I stopped driving manual cars. I live in the SF bay area and traffic is horrible. I love that DCT exists to provide the response of manual but convenience of automatic!
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#44
Three Wheelin'
Right, but it's all done by computer logic. That's all I'm saying. And yes, those computers are much better than any of us ever will be. There's no denying that. I'm still not sure how this thread derailed on to this topic, lol.
So is the Si actually faster than the ILX? I'm guessing the ILX is a little heavier, but faster shifting... What's the net result?
So is the Si actually faster than the ILX? I'm guessing the ILX is a little heavier, but faster shifting... What's the net result?
I'm happy to let the computer do all the rev-matching as I can't do it well myself. If there was no DCT option on the ILX, I still would have bought an automatic. Traffic sucks the fun out of a manual.
#45
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Is it possible to, say, be in neutral and rev your car up to 4-5k rpm and then flip it into first gear? I don't ever do clutch dumps, but I'm curious if the computer allows it anyway.
#46
Three Wheelin'
Don't know if this would work. I won't be doing it on my car as I don't want to break anything. But I'd happily do it on a rental! Even if this did work, it's not something that I would ever do. I want my cars to last as I keep them for 15-20 years.
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TacoBello (04-19-2016)
#48
Taco gets it.
Im willing to bet if justin left the gate open long enough more people would be in agreement.
Sure the dct is similar to a manual. Its similar. But to the real world the 2016 ilx is an automatic. Not a manual.
Im willing to bet if justin left the gate open long enough more people would be in agreement.
Sure the dct is similar to a manual. Its similar. But to the real world the 2016 ilx is an automatic. Not a manual.
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In the real world, it is not a MANUAL but it is closer to being a manual than to an automatic.
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Right, but it's all done by computer logic. That's all I'm saying. And yes, those computers are much better than any of us ever will be. There's no denying that. I'm still not sure how this thread derailed on to this topic, lol.
So is the Si actually faster than the ILX? I'm guessing the ILX is a little heavier, but faster shifting... What's the net result?
So is the Si actually faster than the ILX? I'm guessing the ILX is a little heavier, but faster shifting... What's the net result?
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Civic Si 6MT vs ILX 8DCT vs Civic 1.5T CVT
They all do 0-60mph in 6.5 to 6.6s.
They all do 1/4 mile in 15.1 to 15.2s, at 94 to 95mph.
To me, they are pretty much as fast as each other. It all depends on driver's skill and reaction time.
#54
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I still stand by my opinion that a DCT is manual in "operation" that has the shifting actions automated by computers, solenoids, and what not.
We can stop beating this horse and just agree to disagree.
#55
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Honestly, I'm surprised this debate is still happening. It's a transmission. It has gears. Let's move on.
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Hello,
The thread started from ILX vs SI and end up a discussion around Manual clutch vs automatic vs dual clutch (DCT).
ILX 2016 2.4L has 201HP with DCT. Civic Si has 205HP Manual Transmission
Long story make it short both share same chassis, however Si is for the guys in their 20s (costs less) and ILX for those in their 30s want some power but not that obvious. My 16 spec was very cushiony so I replaced both sway bars, got the Eibach Civic SI package (fits on bolt no mod) the car has much better handling.
Back to your speeding, it depends on the driver and how well you know to pull up. The ILX has the advantage with the dual clutch. Changing from one clutch to another takes anywhere between eight and 200 milliseconds; that’s considerably faster than the half second or more required by most manual drivers to change gears. By wasting less time between gears, DCTs are often able to outsprint their manual equivalents. That been said for non-turbo new engines or Type R.
I have the DCT and its pretty good, in sport mode the transmission behaves different and you will love it if you try it. for instance, ur speed is 50mph and rpm is around 4k when you slow down to 30mph the transmission revs up to keep your rpm at 4k (lower the gear)which gives you the edge in case you want to kick it again u have the torque. Same thing in manual but in DCT it does it for you.
Acura did a mistake by releasing the 16ilx without a small turbo like the new civics now. Imagine 1.5l turbo civic produces 178hp so with 2.4l turbo probably ILX will produce 270hp.
The thread started from ILX vs SI and end up a discussion around Manual clutch vs automatic vs dual clutch (DCT).
ILX 2016 2.4L has 201HP with DCT. Civic Si has 205HP Manual Transmission
Long story make it short both share same chassis, however Si is for the guys in their 20s (costs less) and ILX for those in their 30s want some power but not that obvious. My 16 spec was very cushiony so I replaced both sway bars, got the Eibach Civic SI package (fits on bolt no mod) the car has much better handling.
Back to your speeding, it depends on the driver and how well you know to pull up. The ILX has the advantage with the dual clutch. Changing from one clutch to another takes anywhere between eight and 200 milliseconds; that’s considerably faster than the half second or more required by most manual drivers to change gears. By wasting less time between gears, DCTs are often able to outsprint their manual equivalents. That been said for non-turbo new engines or Type R.
I have the DCT and its pretty good, in sport mode the transmission behaves different and you will love it if you try it. for instance, ur speed is 50mph and rpm is around 4k when you slow down to 30mph the transmission revs up to keep your rpm at 4k (lower the gear)which gives you the edge in case you want to kick it again u have the torque. Same thing in manual but in DCT it does it for you.
Acura did a mistake by releasing the 16ilx without a small turbo like the new civics now. Imagine 1.5l turbo civic produces 178hp so with 2.4l turbo probably ILX will produce 270hp.
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I’m assuming you live in Canada because in the US we don’t have the more than 91 octane. I see you comparing RLX to a BMW M5?
If the M5 is an older model like year 2000 will do 0-60 in 4.6 seconds and the newest M5 2014 from 0-60 is 3.6 seconds. 575hp
Never compare an RLX to M5. The newer BMW engines comes with twin turbo are flying machines on wheels if modified. I have seen 335i 2008 beating a Nissan GTR with Few modes costs you few thousands.
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Hello,
The thread started from ILX vs SI and end up a discussion around Manual clutch vs automatic vs dual clutch (DCT).
ILX 2016 2.4L has 201HP with DCT. Civic Si has 205HP Manual Transmission
Long story make it short both share same chassis, however Si is for the guys in their 20s (costs less) and ILX for those in their 30s want some power but not that obvious. My 16 spec was very cushiony so I replaced both sway bars, got the Eibach Civic SI package (fits on bolt no mod) the car has much better handling.
Back to your speeding, it depends on the driver and how well you know to pull up. The ILX has the advantage with the dual clutch. Changing from one clutch to another takes anywhere between eight and 200 milliseconds; that’s considerably faster than the half second or more required by most manual drivers to change gears. By wasting less time between gears, DCTs are often able to outsprint their manual equivalents. That been said for non-turbo new engines or Type R.
I have the DCT and its pretty good, in sport mode the transmission behaves different and you will love it if you try it. for instance, ur speed is 50mph and rpm is around 4k when you slow down to 30mph the transmission revs up to keep your rpm at 4k (lower the gear)which gives you the edge in case you want to kick it again u have the torque. Same thing in manual but in DCT it does it for you.
Acura did a mistake by releasing the 16ilx without a small turbo like the new civics now. Imagine 1.5l turbo civic produces 178hp so with 2.4l turbo probably ILX will produce 270hp.
The thread started from ILX vs SI and end up a discussion around Manual clutch vs automatic vs dual clutch (DCT).
ILX 2016 2.4L has 201HP with DCT. Civic Si has 205HP Manual Transmission
Long story make it short both share same chassis, however Si is for the guys in their 20s (costs less) and ILX for those in their 30s want some power but not that obvious. My 16 spec was very cushiony so I replaced both sway bars, got the Eibach Civic SI package (fits on bolt no mod) the car has much better handling.
Back to your speeding, it depends on the driver and how well you know to pull up. The ILX has the advantage with the dual clutch. Changing from one clutch to another takes anywhere between eight and 200 milliseconds; that’s considerably faster than the half second or more required by most manual drivers to change gears. By wasting less time between gears, DCTs are often able to outsprint their manual equivalents. That been said for non-turbo new engines or Type R.
I have the DCT and its pretty good, in sport mode the transmission behaves different and you will love it if you try it. for instance, ur speed is 50mph and rpm is around 4k when you slow down to 30mph the transmission revs up to keep your rpm at 4k (lower the gear)which gives you the edge in case you want to kick it again u have the torque. Same thing in manual but in DCT it does it for you.
Acura did a mistake by releasing the 16ilx without a small turbo like the new civics now. Imagine 1.5l turbo civic produces 178hp so with 2.4l turbo probably ILX will produce 270hp.
I don't think it was a mistake by Acura for not releasing the small turbo engine for the ILX. It's possible that engine wasn't designed to work in that chassis. After all, the 2016 Civic has a brand new chassis. Also, it's possible that the turbo engine wasn't ready when the 2016 ILX made its debut.
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I’m assuming you live in Canada because in the US we don’t have the more than 91 octane. I see you comparing RLX to a BMW M5?
If the M5 is an older model like year 2000 will do 0-60 in 4.6 seconds and the newest M5 2014 from 0-60 is 3.6 seconds. 575hp
Never compare an RLX to M5. The newer BMW engines comes with twin turbo are flying machines on wheels if modified. I have seen 335i 2008 beating a Nissan GTR with Few modes costs you few thousands.
I’m assuming you live in Canada because in the US we don’t have the more than 91 octane. I see you comparing RLX to a BMW M5?
If the M5 is an older model like year 2000 will do 0-60 in 4.6 seconds and the newest M5 2014 from 0-60 is 3.6 seconds. 575hp
Never compare an RLX to M5. The newer BMW engines comes with twin turbo are flying machines on wheels if modified. I have seen 335i 2008 beating a Nissan GTR with Few modes costs you few thousands.
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