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That's not the point. The point is that cars could still be used as weapons, even with "only" a 15 gallon gas tank. Have you any idea the explosion 15 gallons of gasoline would make? Yet no one does it. Well, they do in the Middle East, but that's a different story altogether.
No one goes blowing gas stations up either. I'm sure if one of those tanks exploded, it would level a whole city block.
The Ford Nucleon was a scale model concept car developed by Ford in 1958 as a design on how a nuclear-powered car might look. The design did not include an internal-combustion engine; rather, the vehicle was to be powered by a small nuclear reactor in the rear of the vehicle, based on the assumption that this would one day be possible by reducing sizes. The car was to use a steam engine powered by uranium fission similar to how nuclear submarines work.
I think this has been a goal for some time; the technology just isn't there yet.
The golden dream of electric vehicles, 2 gallons of gas equals ~800lb of LiOn batteries currently although the batteries are reusable unlike the gas. It's happening slowly as energy density per volume and mass improves.
FWIW, there's also some consipracy theory on oild companies and electric vehicle battery patents and IP.
I was at a electric car show in Annapolis last year, and talked to some owners of Tesla's, Leaf's, Volt's, Spark's and other EV. Almost every owner uses their EV as their primary vehicle for urban use and most had another gas vehicle for long distance travel.
It's take time but EV tech will probably surpass gas tech at some point in not too distant future.
How much gas can 1 person carry vs. 1 small super concentrated battery pack.
not the same level of destruction. and you can't just remove your gas tank and throw at someone.
well i mean you could, if you were the Rock.
You're voting for Trump, aren't you? Your opinions aren't based on any facts at all. Nothing you say is based in reality what the fuck are you talking about. The energy density of gasoline is way higher than a lithium ion battery.
Energy density of gasoline (34.2 MJ/l) is about 15x times more than a lithium ion battery (2.43MJ/l) in a Tesla. Gas cars are just extremely wasteful. There are many other chemicals that pack way more punch than a normal battery.
You're voting for Trump, aren't you? Your opinions aren't based on any facts at all. Nothing you say is based in reality what the fuck are you talking about. The energy density of gasoline is way higher than a lithium ion battery.
Energy density of gasoline (34.2 MJ/l) is about 15x times more than a lithium ion battery (2.43MJ/l) in a Tesla. Gas cars are just extremely wasteful. There are many other chemicals that pack way more punch than a normal battery.
fuck him. I am moving to Canada if he gets elected.
no shit, none of this shit is based on FACT since electric cars are nowhere near close to gas car in volume. Almost everything in this thread is all theoretical discussion that might or might not happen years or decades down the road.
No one said Gas cars are BETTER.
The fact is: E cars's numbers on the road is nothing compare to gas powered cars. Power charging station is nowhere near gas stations. Charging time is nowhere near gas fueling time.
Those are the facts and we can talk about that.
and all i said we needed to invent some battery that is small but packs way more power so it can easily be changed by ANYONE. That solves a lot of the needs for charging stations since you can have carry more for backups.
But there is down side, can someone use such battery for other untended uses? we dont know that right now because those small battery are not available.
and that graphic is useless if we are talking about SMALL CONCENTRATED energy. because no one knows how much power that compact battery will have. Again something that does not exist in cars yet.
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even if something gets invented one day, how long do you think the government will allow it to be used if we even EVER hear about it?
You have a government that want to talk about green everyday and at the same time, limits the development of E car infrastructures while accepting billions and billions from the Gas company and their lobbyist.
You're voting for Trump, aren't you? Your opinions aren't based on any facts at all. Nothing you say is based in reality what the fuck are you talking about. The energy density of gasoline is way higher than a lithium ion battery.
I'm curious - is it possible for you to participate in any thread on this site without you politicizing the discussion somehow?
Oh, and with regard to your chart - THANKS STUNNA!
Originally Posted by oonowindoo
i am i bring $ to your country and jack up your real estate values.
i am i bring $ to your country and jack up your real estate values.
real estate is so damn expensive in Canada. It's ridiculous. Well in British Columbia and Alberta. Other provinces I don't care about. WE NEED LESS ASIANS!!!
Tesla cancels 4,200 Model 3 reservations on concerns about speculators
May 19, 2016
Tesla Motors Inc. has canceled about 4,200 reservations for its Model 3 sedan on concerns that they are duplicates placed by speculators.
Tesla said 373,000 customers have placed reservations for the Model 3, according to a late Wednesday filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Tesla began to take $1,000 refundable reservations on the Model 3 in late March, specifying that each customer could place as many as two reservations.
The company hopes to start delivering the mass-market all-electric car by late 2017. The car is expected to start at $35,000 before incentives and run 215 miles between charges.
Some 8,000 customers canceled their reservations on their own, and the 373,000 reservations Tesla currently holds is a net number after those cancellations and the Tesla’s 4,200 cancellations for fear of speculation.
Earlier this month, Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk moved to quash doubts that reservations for the Model 3 had been inflated, after a contributor to the website Seeking Alpha claimed to be able to place 20 Model 3 reservations.
In the filing Wednesday, Tesla took pains to highlight it has reached the 373,000 reservations without any advertising and without publicly disclosing many of the car’s features.
“If we wanted to, we believe that we could further increase the number of Model 3 reservations with minimal effort, but believe it is better to guide customers to purchase products currently in production,” Tesla said. “We are on track to achieve volume production and deliveries of Model 3 in late 2017.”
Tesla quietly pushes back Model 3 delivery estimate to mid-2018 or later
Oct. 18, 2016
Tesla is telling prospective buyers that its Model 3 will begin shipping in "mid-2018 or later."
As of Sunday, Tesla's website said deliveries for the new car "begin late 2017," but since then the company changed the wording to indicate that production on the car will begin late 2017 and that the delivery estimate for "new reservations is mid-2018 or later."
This story is developing. Please check back for further updates.
CNBC has reached out to the company seeking further comment.
DETROIT/SAN FRANCISCO -- Tesla Inc. said on Wednesday it will shut down production at its California assembly plant for a week this month to prepare for production of its high-volume Model 3 sedan, moving the company closer to meeting its target to start production in July.
Tesla said the "brief, planned" pause would allow the company to add capacity to the existing paint shop to prepare it for the Model 3, and other general maintenance.
"This will allow Tesla to begin Model 3 production later this year as planned and enable us to start the ramp towards 500,000 vehicles annually in 2018," said a Tesla spokesman.
He added that the pause was not expected to have a material impact on first-quarter production or delivery figures, as the company had added production days to compensate.
Separately, sources told Reuters that the luxury electric carmaker planned to begin test-building the Model 3 on Feb. 20.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk last year told investors and more than 370,000 customers who put deposits down for a Model 3 that he intended to start building the cars in July 2017. At the time, many analysts and suppliers said the timeline was too ambitious and would be difficult to achieve, pointing to Tesla's history of missing aggressive production targets.
If Tesla succeeds in starting pilot production of the sedan at its factory in Fremont, Calif., on Feb. 20, as people familiar with the matter told Reuters, the company would be able to share the news with shareholders two days later when it reports fourth-quarter results and better answer any questions about the Model 3 rollout.
Tesla shares have been surging in recent weeks, closing Wednesday at $262.08, up from $181.88 on Dec. 1.
'Stoke the fan base'
The sources did not know how many of the highly anticipated vehicles Tesla aimed to build in February, but it would likely be a small number to test the assembly system and the quality of vehicle parts.
"What better way to stoke the fan base and Wall Street than to wheel out pre-production models" ahead of the earnings announcement, said one person familiar with Tesla's plans who spoke on condition of anonymity.
The Tesla spokesman declined to comment on the company's production schedule.
Musk had told investors last year that the company could miss the July 2017 startup target if suppliers do not meet deadlines.
Tesla has a lot riding on the Model 3, which is priced at roughly $35,000 before government incentives. If successful, the sedan could raise Tesla beyond a niche luxury player in the automotive sector.
Tesla has not had a profitable year since going public in 2010, though the company's $41.4 billion market capitalization now equals that of Nissan Motor Co., which reported a profit of $4.7 billion last year.
Musk's bold approach to cars, space exploration and clean energy has fueled investor enthusiasm for Tesla, but skeptics are waiting to see if Musk can fulfill his promise of producing 500,000 cars per year by 2018.
That would expand Tesla's annual production by four to five times compared to 2016 levels. In its fourth quarter, Tesla produced 24,882 vehicles.
Tesla disclosed in May that it had taken 373,000 refundable $1,000 deposits for the Model 3, underscoring its appeal ahead of production. The company has not since updated that number. Total sales of fully electric vehicles last year in the U.S. amounted to just 84,275 vehicles, according to data compiled by the Electric Drive Transportation Association.
Aggressive plans
Sources with knowledge of the Model 3 timeline had called it extremely aggressive, with challenges compounded by Tesla making last-minute changes to the car's design. Such design tweaks can delay production, and add cost as suppliers rework tools and molds to meet new specifications.
Musk said in July the design of the Model 3 was complete. The car, he told shareholders earlier in May, would be "easy to make" and free of the complicated design that led to production delays in the Model X SUV.
It is common practice for automakers to make minor adjustments to a "finished" design for a variety of reasons, ranging from fit and finish to safety.
One source said last week that design changes were still underway for the Model 3, which could potentially hinder the ramp-up to full production. Tesla declined to comment on whether the design was still being tinkered with.
Tesla's previous launches for the Model S sedan and Model X were marked by production delays and initial quality issues.
That track record meant some analysts were skeptical that Musk would launch production by July. "We assume 0 Model 3 deliveries in '17," Barclays analyst Brian Johnson wrote in a Jan. 3 note, while Morgan Stanley's Adam Jonas in a Jan. 19 note said he expected a "soft launch" of the Model 3 to be delayed until late 2017.
Musk confirms on Twitter that Model 3 won’t be next-gen Tesla, will only get central screen
Elon Musk’s much vaunted Tesla Model 3 won’t come with a traditional speedometer, according to the big man himself.
Responding to a fan on Twitter – who asked whether the 3 would get a central mph clock – Musk simply replied “no”. What about a head-up display? Um, “no”.
So what you’re left with is the centrally-mounted tablet with all the salient information contained within. There, sorted.
Musk also went on to confirm that the Model 3 won’t be a sort of ‘next-generation’ Tesla, but more a scaled down version of the halo Model S. Like the C-Class is to the S-Class, if you stretch the analogy somewhat.
“Am noticing that many people think Model 3 is the ‘next version’ of a Tesla,” he said, “like iPhone 2 vs 3. This is not true.
“Model 3 is just a smaller, more affordable version of Model S with less range and power, and fewer features. Model S has more advanced technology,” he added.
Less range and power, sure, but it won’t be slow. On the car’s launch, he did note that they “don’t make slow cars at Tesla”, with the 3 promising a 0-60mph time of under six seconds. And, there’ll be a Ludicrous option available in due course too. Yeah, not slow.
Other key bits about the 3 we already know is that It’s rear-wheel-drive – with the option of a dual-motor AWD version – features a 215 mile range and starts from $35k. And as with the Model S and Model X, it’ll come with the necessary hardware for self-driving too.
That's exactly what I was expecting from the Model 3: A 'watered down' version of the Model S.
Did some people really expect "next gen" for about a third of the cost?!
Now that we know for sure the Model 3 is a watered down Model S (as expected), the question is HOW watered down is the Model 3? The Model S is less luxurious than the equivalent Merc or Lexus, so does it follow that the Model 3 will be a less luxurious CLA or 328i competitor? How much worse? Are we talking TLX interior or A4?
If I had to guess, the Model 3 will have a TLX interior level near the top but will slot in with a cloth seat Accord type feel at the bottom of the line. As a result, the Model 3 will likely be overpriced for what it is outside the batteries that run in.
Tesla has developed a very good brand with a lot of followers, as long as they keep the price/lease program attractive, i do not think sales will be a problem, watered down or not.
No surprises here the Model 3 looks right on par with the design previewed by the Model 3 concept from last year. It more-or-less looks like a shrunken Model S, wearing the same grille-less front fascia, rounded rear end, and smooth chrome accents found on the rest of the Tesla lineup.
Through the driver's side window, we catch a glimpse of the dashboard and center stack as well. It appears the Model 3 will arrive without a gauge cluster, instead putting all essential controls and infotainment on the center screen. The horizontal configuration of the screen is a notable departure from the vertical orientation in the Model S and Model X.
Official powertrain figures are still a mystery, but if Tesla is to be believed, the Model 3 will come with a minimum range of 215 miles, but higher trim levels could push this up to over 300 miles. An all-wheel-drive "D" variant should arrive later, including the popular "Ludicrous" driving mode.
I get the feeling people expected a Model S quality vehicle for $35,000. Musk et al are making it clear the Model 3 is anything but that. And that lack of instrument cluster...
04-19-2016, 12:39 PM
The golden dream of electric vehicles, 2 gallons of gas equals ~800lb of LiOn batteries currently although the batteries are reusable unlike the gas. It's happening slowly as energy density per volume and mass improves.
i bring $ to your country and jack up your real estate values.
So much for late 2017 Model 3 deliveries. Knew they wouldn't be able to meet that deadline with their poor track record.
