FLYGUY31

Same here. A lot of Audi, Benz, BMW along with others in my area. I have only saw two refreshed TLX since it's release. I live 10 mins from a dealer also. I do see a fair amount of pre-refreshed TXL around though. And a lot of MDX and RDX.

Mr Hyde

Can't speak for these other areas, but here in the Tristate area in and around NYC, TLXs are a dime a dozen, but so are C classes, 3 series, A4's etc. AWD versions across the board also seem to have a high uptake as well.

financedude

For the longest time, I wanted a TSX wagon. I know, they didn't sell, yada yada, but I liked the look. My sister had an Audi A4 wagon, cool looking, no thanks on the maintenance. I do not like the TLX or RLX at all as far as looks. IMO, the Honda Accord looks better as far as styling. "There's a butt for every seat".

Mr Hyde

I actually had a TSX wagon. Handled well, and hauled everything myself as a new parent could think of, but in the end the lack of power from the engine/tranny combo combined with its horrible N,V,H made me trade it in in under 3 years. Still see some from time to time driving around, but don't regret my decision. If it had a V6, and AWD though, I may have held on to it.

BEAR-AvHistory

Had mine for 6 years. Graphite 6MT & a lot of fun in its day Bailed on the 4G (body design on an otherwise a nice car) & got a BMW 335IS 7DCT as the replacement. On the DCT agree its not the best plan for everyday cars but still remains the way to go in a sport oriented car IMHO. Think people running performance cars have a lot more tolerance for it because of the performance gains over the MT.

That said the newly designed AT's are getting much closer in speed of operation functionality. The last of the Kings the 755BHP Corvette ZR1 @ $120K to start will have an 8AT as an option along with the 7MT. Don't know whos AT8 (ZF8?) is in the car because GM's new home grown AT collaboration with FORD is a 10AT.

BEAR-AvHistory

(cost?They figured it out a long time ago. They are suppliers of both F1 & Indy engines. The NSX has a 500BHP 3.5 V6 in it. Its about what they WANT to put in the TLX for marketing (cost?) reasons not because of engineering issues preventing it.

WheelMcCoy

Satisfied 2012 TSX Wagon owner here. Sure, it could either use more power or be equipped with a manual, but paddles work ok to compensate. I was with my family driving through Montreal and a lady with an A4 wagon sidled up to check out the wagon (I told my wife she was really checking me out ). I guess TSX Wagons are a little scarce in some areas.

FLYGUY31

I believe production stopped for a long time because of the tsunami that hit right when the wagon was being introduced. Honda got hit hard by that.

ZipSpeed

With North American consumers eating up crossovers, should Acura just dump all their sedan resources into just one platform and make it the best it can be? Nobody cares about the ILX and RLX, and I'd much rather see different tiers of the TLX.

TLX 2.0T
TLX Hybrid (2.0T + SH-SH-AWD)
TLX A-Spec (V6T)
TLX Type-S (V6T + SH-SH-AWD)

Along with the RDX, MDX and CDX (which I'm assuming will make it here one day), a baby NSX coupe to flesh out the lineup wouldn't hurt either.

kurtatx

^^Good idea, but dump the FWD V6T. Just SH-AWD so rear wheels get some power.

ZipSpeed

Saintor

https://tiremeetsroad.com/2017/12/14...-new-v6-turbo/

Be careful what you wish for (you might get it). Rumored 320HP for a transverse layout baby NSX, but who knows....

pyrodan007

^ If that's the new V6T that will be used across the entire Acura lineup, well there's no way I'll complain!

TacoBello

WOOT!!!

And it's DOHC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TacoBello

And it keeps VTEC....

fiatlux

The Civic and Accord now share the same platform, and the TLX and RLX has always been the same platform too, which means that a next gen ILX (if it sees the light of day), TLX, and RLX will all be on the same platform.

ZipSpeed

Let me rephrase, IMO Acura should just stick with one sedan instead of three. Make the TLX the best it can be, and if or when the mindshare and brand cachet improve to the point where they can bring in another sedan, then they can reintroduce the ILX or RLX. Does the ILX and RLX combined even come close to total TLX numbers?

BEAR-AvHistory

Agree, looking at the raw numbers unless they have some phenomenal margins it seem dumb to keep building TLX & RLX cars for the US market. I know the RLX is the HONDA Legend in some markets so its costs are spread but have no idea if ILX is also rebranded someplace else.

TacoBello

Yeah, it's rebranded a civic, in the rest of the world.

TacoBello

How is nobody talking about the VTEC equipped DOHC V6T Honda just patented?!

F23A4

Agreed! And hopefully we’ll see a Q50 RS400 competitor as a result of this patent.

MSZ

Because a transverse V6 isn't really all that exciting.

TacoBello

It sure is when it is mated to SH-AWD.

TacoBello

BEAR-AvHistory

If they did go with a 400BHP transverse engine I would hope they would design the platform to allow the engine to be moved back quite a bit from the front wheels. Last thing they need is the extra mass of a quad cam sitting out front.

You might remember the TLX "race" cars had the engine almost where the front seat was in the production car. High horsepower transverse engines have been successful in some exotics but they were is a mid engine platform were trying to have the center of mass in the center of the car.

If you look at my 4 cam COBRA its actually a front mid engine RWD car. My legs run along the side of the engine & the transmission is just off my hip that why the stick points forward. The car is naturally tail heavy 47/53.

F23A4

Yep, a transversely mounted V6 turbo/twin turbo will do just fine if it's coupled with SH-AWD. ...and if it can still return fuel economy in the ballpark of the current TLX V6, I'll likely swap into one over the RS400 (which currently sits atop the list of potential replacements for my TLX.)

TacoBello

fiatlux

I've owned a couple of performance Audis and I will have to disagree. They're surefooted, but with all that weight in the nose they plow and badly understeer at the limit, which is not fun.

TacoBello

With Quattro?

MSZ

Not entirely true. While the engine still sits in front of the axle, the transmission is actually located behind the axle, that alone allows any MLB based Audis to have better weight distribution and better dash to axle ratio.

BEAR-AvHistory

You might want to explain the dash to axle ratio thingie (TLX racecars with the engine in the front seat) because so I do not get into a 4000 word debate. The only thing I will say is the TLX & Audi are both FWD but they are identical twins.

TacoBello

No need to explain anything about the TLX race car. It's not that complicated

truth be told, I've never driven a modern Audi- I was going off what I thought I generally here about Audis- they handle well.

BEAR-AvHistory

HeHe, the race car says a lot about the overall issues with FWD cars too much mass ahead of the axel. Audi mitigates this to some extent moving mass, the transmission, behind the axle toward the center of the car. Its still nose heavy but as less of its total mass in the nose. So all the good effects you get with SHAWD the Quattro gets those plus better mass balance.




Arrow wants to go straight due to its mass almost all being in the arrowhead = FWD with mass infront of the axle. More effort to turn. The more you move mass back even though its still nose heavy it gets easier to turn.

Road & Track used to have a great feature with its road tests. On the stats page they has a side view cutaway of the car layout over a box grid so you could see where the drive train was in the car

RDX10

kurtatx

Audis drive well. They tend to understeer more than the equivalent Bimmer, but they stick well.

BEAR-AvHistory

BMW dials in some understeer on many of the cars to keep drivers from loosing the rear in a turn. This can be adjusted out with changes in camber. Mine stays stock for reduced rear tire wear. Interesting note on this. My grandsons Genesis R-Spec Coupe with the track package came with camber plates in the glove compartment to be used if you wanted to reduce the built in understeer.

BEAR-AvHistory

Found an old one. Would be interesting to see a TLX & A-4 to see how the engine transmission mass is distributed. Like this format better then the current ones, think it gives you more useful information.

svtmike

Check out those stats! Quite a beast!

fiatlux

Yes, with Quattro. I had a B7 RS4 and a B8 S5. Both gripped well, but plowed much more at the limit than my STI and Evo thanks to the massive engines way out front.

RDX10