Anyone regret buying 2.4L FWD?
09-09-2018, 07:31 AM
#41
You can not compare the much more powerful V6 SH-AWD to the 4 cylinder front wheel drive. The six has 84 hp more for superior acceleration and torque vectoring for incredible handling. Yes the 6 is too powerful for front wheel drive and constantly slips when driven aggressively. After experiencing this with my 15, I tried the 4 which was slow, loud and boring. Would consider an ILX at that point over the 4 Cylinder TLX. SH-AWD is the way to go. Vehicle is much calmer when driven aggressively, always has grip no matter what the weather forecast brings. After having the SH-AWD, I would never consider another front wheel drive Acura if an SH-AWD is available. My SH-AWD reminds me of my old Suby STI but much more luxurious.
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silverTL6 (09-10-2018)
09-09-2018, 09:26 AM
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I been thinking about leasing a TLX didn’t like the push button transmission in the V-6, but the only reason I would pick the six over the four is,because SHAWD isn’t offer with the four cylinder model. I drove both the six and the four the six had the tech package, the four was the base model. I really didn’t feel that much different between the two expected when passing , that’s where the six would come in handy,or the turbo 2liter.
09-10-2018, 10:37 AM
#43
coming from an 04 TSX and getting a '15 tech I can say for sure the handing on the TSX is superior which is probably due to DW suspension
The TLX iis much more refined though along with smooth and quiet. I think the gas tank is bigger so MPG is better on the TLX for sure.
Sometimes I feel that vibration everyone is talking about. Most of the time music is playing so not that much noticeable but I have been feeling more often as as now have 120k.
The TLX iis much more refined though along with smooth and quiet. I think the gas tank is bigger so MPG is better on the TLX for sure.
Sometimes I feel that vibration everyone is talking about. Most of the time music is playing so not that much noticeable but I have been feeling more often as as now have 120k.
09-11-2018, 08:29 PM
#44
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I've recommended the four cylinder on more than one occasion. Unless you're going to jump to SH-AWD, the 4 cylinder is the way tot go.
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09-12-2018, 08:41 AM
#45
How much power do you need? You V6 guys constantly bash the 2.4 saying it’s gutless, it absolutely is not gutless. Some compare it to the TSX, when the TLX is 1.5 seconds faster 0-60. Traffic is a nightmare in so many major metro areas, the V6 is overkill and not needed as you will never get to put it through its paces unless you live in wide open states like MT, WY etc. Most of you bashing the V6 have probably never driven the 2.4. Add the sub par ZF9 and you now have a major buzzkill. The 2.4 DCT8 speed is the best combination currently for the TLX. And NO, there is not any noticeable vibrations at idle, at least on the 2018+.
I easily could have easily afforded and bought the TLX V6 Advance SH-AWD but chose the 2.4 DCT8 as hands down, it’s the best combination of drivability and fun factor IMO!
I easily could have easily afforded and bought the TLX V6 Advance SH-AWD but chose the 2.4 DCT8 as hands down, it’s the best combination of drivability and fun factor IMO!
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09-12-2018, 10:45 AM
#46
How much power do you need? You V6 guys constantly bash the 2.4 saying it’s gutless, it absolutely is not gutless. Some compare it to the TSX, when the TLX is 1.5 seconds faster 0-60. Traffic is a nightmare in so many major metro areas, the V6 is overkill and not needed as you will never get to put it through its paces unless you live in wide open states like MT, WY etc. Most of you bashing the V6 have probably never driven the 2.4. Add the sub par ZF9 and you now have a major buzzkill. The 2.4 DCT8 speed is the best combination currently for the TLX. And NO, there is not any noticeable vibrations at idle, at least on the 2018+.
I easily could have easily afforded and bought the TLX V6 Advance SH-AWD but chose the 2.4 DCT8 as hands down, it’s the best combination of drivability and fun factor IMO!
I easily could have easily afforded and bought the TLX V6 Advance SH-AWD but chose the 2.4 DCT8 as hands down, it’s the best combination of drivability and fun factor IMO!
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silverTL6 (09-13-2018)
09-12-2018, 10:23 PM
#47
I think the V6 TLX owners have more issues passing or merging with that laggy zf9 speed.
09-13-2018, 02:35 AM
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What driving skills are needed to accelerate / pass / merge on the fwy? Just stomp on the go pedal and see how quickly the car moves. It's a simple fact that the V6 has more torque and throttle response off the line, ZF9 or not. In fact, it would only require special skills for the V6 to lose to the 4 in any situation. I'm fairly certain that everyone who bashes on the 4 has in fact driven it on multiple occasions (usually as a loaner or during test drives), has owned a V6 somewhere along the line, and is willing to put up with the ZF9 to reap the benefits of the V6.
And there's no need to live in MT or WY to appreciate the extra power. I live in the fairly congested SF Bay Area, and enjoy the smoothness and punch of the V6 every time I drive it. And every time I drive a 4-cyl (whether in the TLX, TSX, some hybrid, or any car with a 4), I'm reminded of how happy I am that there are alternatives
And there's no need to live in MT or WY to appreciate the extra power. I live in the fairly congested SF Bay Area, and enjoy the smoothness and punch of the V6 every time I drive it. And every time I drive a 4-cyl (whether in the TLX, TSX, some hybrid, or any car with a 4), I'm reminded of how happy I am that there are alternatives
09-13-2018, 09:41 AM
#49
Hmm, not sure where you learned to drive, I do not find that to be the case at all. So in ther words anybody driving any car with a 4 cylinder does not have adequate power to pass or merge on the freeway? I don’t think so...
I think the V6 TLX owners have more issues passing or merging with that laggy zf9 speed.
There are also many on-ramps where both the lane you're come in on and the lane to the left of it both get off immediately, so you have to merge two lanes over in a very short amount of time. Terrible designs, but it is what it is.
09-14-2018, 01:47 PM
#50
209 HP for a car TLX size and weight is plenty. If you feel like that's not enough just test a 4 cylinders Camry/Accord/Fusion (heavier cars with less powerful engines) or a BMW 320i (180HP).
09-15-2018, 08:12 AM
#51
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Hmm, not sure where you learned to drive, I do not find that to be the case at all. So in ther words anybody driving any car with a 4 cylinder does not have adequate power to pass or merge on the freeway? I don’t think so...
I think the V6 TLX owners have more issues passing or merging with that laggy zf9 speed.
09-15-2018, 09:06 AM
#52
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And like most BMWs, that 320i is probably underrated as its 30-50 and 50-70 times are similar to the TLX 2.4. (Not unlike the Accord 1.5T, the performance meager 320i is only $1,600 away from 53hp/46lb-ft bump with a Dinan stage 1)
09-15-2018, 10:38 AM
#53
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You clearly haven't driven on some of the freeways in LA. Check out this one from the 110 (onramp at the 3:10 mark) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hPBrEpaJZI&t=3m10s
There are also many on-ramps where both the lane you're come in on and the lane to the left of it both get off immediately, so you have to merge two lanes over in a very short amount of time. Terrible designs, but it is what it is.
There are also many on-ramps where both the lane you're come in on and the lane to the left of it both get off immediately, so you have to merge two lanes over in a very short amount of time. Terrible designs, but it is what it is.
I have only ever owned 4 cyl vehicles but have had access to more powerful cars I was able to drive often. I love my 4 cyl TSX but the power is just not there in most cases and it has to already be moving to be of any use. My next car will probably be something more powerful, whether that is a V6 or a turbo. I do 90% city driving but even then you frequently need some get up and go to stay alive on Philly streets.
09-15-2018, 10:50 PM
#55
Nothing replaces more power, I've made the mistake before. Dont be me
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09-16-2018, 09:41 AM
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09-16-2018, 09:51 AM
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Clearly the road and traffic conditions you face on a regular basis and one's driving preferences and habits are two key factors that determine engine preference. I live in the Canadian prairies with few on ramps, so acceleration for passing on the highway is much more about the 100kph to 140kph acceleration. My 2.4 does this quite well. Add to that fact that most of my driving is suburban and urban, and I prefer the 2.4 mated with the 8 speed. Given that I now have all the goodies on my new 2018 Elite ASpec, I am a very happy camper.
09-16-2018, 08:04 PM
#58
I think regret needs to be qualified with how often and how strong. Do I sometimes regret not getting something with more power, or something with AWD? Yeah, occasionally. But having gotten numerous V6 TLX loaners, I know that I would have regretted that ZF9 transmission almost ALL the time. So do I regret getting the 2.4 TLX over a more powerful car? Occasionally. Do I regret getting the 2.4 TLX over the 3.5? Never.
09-17-2018, 01:33 PM
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I hear stories about challenging on-ramps and having driven crappy 4 cylinder rental cars in NY, Chicago, LA, Phil, Dallas, Boston, etc., I understand bigger cities with lots of traffic make driving more challenging. However the VAST majority of cars on the road are 4 cylinder so somehow people make it work.
The 2.4 TLX certainly will never win any races, but when you mash it from a stop or slow roll it accelerates plenty fast enough for any merging situation. As far as 4 cylinder cars go this one is plenty quick for daily driving purposes.
All that said - if you're a V6 guy (you enjoy the torque) a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder will never make you completely happy.
The 2.4 TLX certainly will never win any races, but when you mash it from a stop or slow roll it accelerates plenty fast enough for any merging situation. As far as 4 cylinder cars go this one is plenty quick for daily driving purposes.
All that said - if you're a V6 guy (you enjoy the torque) a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder will never make you completely happy.
09-17-2018, 03:18 PM
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Agreed when it comes to the Camry and Fusion. However, the new Accord 1.5T has a decent torque curve. (If that’s a little weak then a Hondata flashpro broadens the power curve)
And like most BMWs, that 320i is probably underrated as its 30-50 and 50-70 times are similar to the TLX 2.4. (Not unlike the Accord 1.5T, the performance meager 320i is only $1,600 away from 53hp/46lb-ft bump with a Dinan stage 1)
The 320 under rated like all the rest of the BMW's. That said its not the horsepower to horsepower mis-match its the torque mis-match with the TLX that makes the difference. The TLX has 182ftlbs @ 4600rpm while the 320 is rated at 200ftlbs @ 1250 all the way up to 4500rpm. That's driving around town muscle. The 320 is quicker in the 0-60 & 1/4 mile. The TLX's horsepower advantage starts to come into play as speed increases & it faster across the 1/4 finishline catching up shortly there after. Then things swing back to the 320 with top speed 155 to 134mph.
They really need to bring the Honda turbo over in ideally 2.4L size. Would be a killer 4 cylinder. The JB4 $379 for the current 1.5T Honda is +40hp & 50ftlbs. One is also available for the 2.0T "R"
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09-17-2018, 03:37 PM
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10-09-2018, 07:15 AM
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For those of you with a 2015 or 2016 V6 / 9sp that had the trans issues, once the latest TSB (#17-015 dated Sept 2017) was applied did you experience a noticeable difference in the way trans behaves? If so, did it last or go back to it's "old ways" after several weeks of driving it with the latest TSB?
10-11-2018, 04:25 PM
#66
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TLX I4 -> detuned 2.0T TLX (analogous to 320i)
TLX V6 -> 2.0T w/approx. 300 HP and more torque than the v6 (analogous to 330i)
new Model -> TLX Type-S w/ V6T or Twin Turbo V6 w >>350 HP (analogous to 340i)
However, knowing Acura the third one is potentially a pipe dream.
10-12-2018, 04:28 AM
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I’m not sure if I’d regard 5.7 seconds 0-60 times as slow. Just that most of the other segment offerings have quicker versions, many at the expense of theTLX’s lower maintenance cost and pricing. (Generally speaking)
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10-12-2018, 11:32 AM
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They're all really nice cars but the V6 FWD is just a lot to put on the front wheels, IMHO.
10-12-2018, 01:53 PM
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I'll believe it when I see it, but I would guess you're probably close to right. It would be analogous to the BMW 3-series
TLX I4 -> detuned 2.0T TLX (analogous to 320i)
TLX V6 -> 2.0T w/approx. 300 HP and more torque than the v6 (analogous to 330i)
new Model -> TLX Type-S w/ V6T or Twin Turbo V6 w >>350 HP (analogous to 340i)
However, knowing Acura the third one is potentially a pipe dream.
TLX I4 -> detuned 2.0T TLX (analogous to 320i)
TLX V6 -> 2.0T w/approx. 300 HP and more torque than the v6 (analogous to 330i)
new Model -> TLX Type-S w/ V6T or Twin Turbo V6 w >>350 HP (analogous to 340i)
However, knowing Acura the third one is potentially a pipe dream.
The 320 is gone with the 2019
The 330 2T goes to 255HP/295ft lbs
The 340 3T goes to 385HP/370ft lbs.
Cars loose about 120/150lbs in weight.
All new platform base on the 5/7 series.
So thats one new generation car thats put down its marker. Expect the rest to advertise a bit more power but like the current series still not be as quick as the 330 & 340.
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10-12-2018, 01:58 PM
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10-12-2018, 02:30 PM
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BMW's 2019 3 series G20 press release. On all the magazine web sites now. Deliveries start March 9 2019. Current F series production is shut down
Some nice pictures in the linked piece
BMW 2019 G series 330/340 UK pub
Info on US version was an email I did not keep so you need to trust me.
Some nice pictures in the linked piece
BMW 2019 G series 330/340 UK pub
Info on US version was an email I did not keep so you need to trust me.
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10-12-2018, 03:51 PM
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However, it does shine when it comes to midrange acceleration.
10-12-2018, 04:44 PM
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300 NA horsepower is about the breakout point for FWD. If it was a 300BHP turbo IMHO it would be unmanageable. Expect Acura will only offer the new 3T with AWD.
10-13-2018, 06:30 PM
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That would the smart money wager. Honestly, I personally would not be opposed to Honda benchmarking the C7 A6 in development of the 2G TLX.
10-15-2018, 11:35 AM
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Just to wrap up this thread, I ended up getting a CPO Mineral Grey BMW 435iX-Drive Gran Coupe last month. Love the 6-cyl turbo and lots of torque. If the new V6 TT Type S is a killer looking/driving car, I might trade it the BMW in a few years but for now I'm pretty happy with the purchase. Love the space of the hatchback and the heads up display is killer (the Nav projects on the heads up display, and when you approach a turn, it switches to a 3D full color view with lines to tell which lane to be in, where to turn..it's really awesome).
It's CPO so I have a few years left on the warranty. If it becomes a shop queen I'll just trade it in a few years but the F36 chassis has some great reliability ratings from what I've read online.
thanks all...
It's CPO so I have a few years left on the warranty. If it becomes a shop queen I'll just trade it in a few years but the F36 chassis has some great reliability ratings from what I've read online.
thanks all...
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10-15-2018, 06:07 PM
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Just to wrap up this thread, I ended up getting a CPO Mineral Grey BMW 435iX-Drive Gran Coupe last month. Love the 6-cyl turbo and lots of torque. If the new V6 TT Type S is a killer looking/driving car, I might trade it the BMW in a few years but for now I'm pretty happy with the purchase. Love the space of the hatchback and the heads up display is killer (the Nav projects on the heads up display, and when you approach a turn, it switches to a 3D full color view with lines to tell which lane to be in, where to turn..it's really awesome).
It's CPO so I have a few years left on the warranty. If it becomes a shop queen I'll just trade it in a few years but the F36 chassis has some great reliability ratings from what I've read online.
thanks all...
It's CPO so I have a few years left on the warranty. If it becomes a shop queen I'll just trade it in a few years but the F36 chassis has some great reliability ratings from what I've read online.
thanks all...
11-17-2018, 08:53 AM
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For those of you with a 2015 or 2016 V6 / 9sp that had the trans issues, once the latest TSB (#17-015 dated Sept 2017) was applied did you experience a noticeable difference in the way trans behaves? If so, did it last or go back to it's "old ways" after several weeks of driving it with the latest TSB?
11-19-2018, 03:14 PM
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I have had the I4 TLX for a year now, no regrets.
I bought it as a daily/winter family vehicle, and it's a perfect fit for this requirement. I have a 7 seater SUV, which is just to big to drive around town, on short trips.
The tire/wheel combo isn't the greatest, but once I've upgrade to 19" rims with summer rubber handling has improved.
The only issue I have is the tranny getting confused when slowing down to almost a full stop and taking off. There is a lag before it gets into gear, but it's a minor inconvenience.
Aside from the above, it's a fun car to toss around, and run through gears. It's not a drag racer, and it's not meant to be.
I bought it as a daily/winter family vehicle, and it's a perfect fit for this requirement. I have a 7 seater SUV, which is just to big to drive around town, on short trips.
The tire/wheel combo isn't the greatest, but once I've upgrade to 19" rims with summer rubber handling has improved.
The only issue I have is the tranny getting confused when slowing down to almost a full stop and taking off. There is a lag before it gets into gear, but it's a minor inconvenience.
Aside from the above, it's a fun car to toss around, and run through gears. It's not a drag racer, and it's not meant to be.
11-20-2018, 10:35 PM
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I have a '16 V6 / 9sp which had and continues to have the vibration issue around 120 km/h - this after applying TSB, road force balancing tires, changing out one tire that was apparently out of spec, buying a new set of Michelin Primacy A/S (got rid of garbage Goodyear LS2). Finally had enough. Test drove a '19 TLX Elite A-Spec SH-AWD. Was better but still had the vibration. Subsequently test drove a '19 TLX Tech A-Spec I4 (sadly I4 Elite is no more). No vibration. Great handling. DCT is nice. No apparent issue on power. And most importantly vibration was gone. Now waiting for my new one to show up - had to order it as I wanted a black one. Looking forward to it. I'm sure I'll miss a few things on my current SH-AWD Elite but I won't be missing the vibration!! ETA Dec 12, 2018. Can't wait!
I have never noted vibration in any of my three TLX's, except a very faint trace of the cylinder deactivation around 70kph in my 3.5 SH-AWD, which I would not characterize as a vibration. Nada in my two 2.4s, but admittedly I don't cruise much over 120 kph (74 mph)