Is the DOW going to burst at some point?
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You mean to tell me that the NYSE doesn't have redundant network connections and stacked switches?
Sure looks like there was a cyber attack
Sure looks like there was a cyber attack
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SEC, FBI & Rival Exchanges Respond to NYSE Shutdown | Fox Business
.gov agency's claiming not a cyber attack, means only one thing, it was a cyber attack.
.gov agency's claiming not a cyber attack, means only one thing, it was a cyber attack.
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Configuration issue. I'm gonna bet someone updated router/s firmware/config file/s and dorked it up. Nothing to see here. Move along....
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from yesterday:
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^ I have noticed that 'problems' always seem to happen on down days for the market- I can't remember a single up day when the NYSE has to close because of a technical glitch.
The U.S. markets have been pretty resilient with only the Dow down for the year as I write this. There's so much concern about the Chinese market but you need to also account that the Chinese market is still up big if you look at YTD performance. The turmoil is only giving back big gains that came quick the last few months.
The U.S. markets have been pretty resilient with only the Dow down for the year as I write this. There's so much concern about the Chinese market but you need to also account that the Chinese market is still up big if you look at YTD performance. The turmoil is only giving back big gains that came quick the last few months.
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well now that the our national debt has surpassed our wealth as a nation, we (the USA) is officially bankrupt....
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Curious why someone just pulled a trapdoor from under the market? JPM's Marko Kolanovic, head of quant strategies explains. "Given that the market is already down ~2%, we expect the market selloff to accelerate after 3:30PM into the close with peak hedging pressure ~3:45PM."
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Closing price of Dow when OP was made, 15,387.58.
We still good.
We still good.
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Meh, a buying opportunity. S&P only down 3.75% for the year, DOW down ~7.5% for the year. Just a blip on the radar and to be expected.
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Market timer Tom McClellan sees stocks set up for ?ugly decline? - MarketWatch
Market timer Tom McClellan sees stocks set up for ?ugly decline? - MarketWatch
Market timer Tom McClellan sees stocks set up for ‘ugly decline’
Published: Aug 20, 2015 11:09 a.m. ET
Tom McClellan loves doing what financial advisers tell you not to do. He tries to time the financial markets — to the exact day, if his charts align just right.
At the moment, they are telling him to be bullish on the stock market for all of his trading time frames, including those that trade every few days, weeks and months. But bulls should be ready to flee, as soon as this week.
That’s because McClellan said his timing models suggest “THE” top in stocks will be hit some time over the next week. He expects “nothing good for the bulls for the rest of the year,” he said in a phone interview with MarketWatch.
McClellan doesn’t have a strong view on how far stocks could fall, just that it will probably be an “ugly decline” lasting into early 2016. The good news is that his models suggest it should not be as bad as the 2007-to-2009 bear market, when the S&P 500 Index SPX, -3.19% plunged as much as 57%, or the 2000-to-2002 selloff when the index plummeted 49%.
“I try to get the direction right, and I let the magnitude take care of itself,” McClellan said.
The West Point grad and former Army helicopter pilot also relies heavily on the widely used technical indicator that bears his surname, the McClellan Oscillator (MCO). Developed in 1969 by his parents, Sherman and Marian McClellan, that indicator can be used to determine overbought and oversold conditions and gauge the flow of money into and out of the market, according to the Market Technicians Association’s Knowledge Base.
He’s always looking for patterns that could help him predict the direction and the timing of future market moves. Then he writes about those patterns in daily and bimonthly newsletters, as well as in a weekly notice on one chart in particular.
Currently, McClellan sees a number of bearish patterns warning that the big one is likely to hit Wall Street very soon, he reported. For one, the advance-decline line, which tracks the number of stocks participating in a trend, started declining nearly four months ago.
Meanwhile, the S&P 500 came within a fraction of a record high as recently as July 20. Basically, that suggests the index is being propped up by fewer and fewer stocks, making it much more vulnerable to a shock.
And one reason he expects a big selloff to start as early as this week is a chart showing that liquidity in the financial markets is about to dry up, as investors prepare for the Federal Reserve’s inevitable interest-rate hike.
Eurodollar futures reflect investors’ bets on where they see three-month borrowing rates down the road. Commercial traders are known as “smart money,” because their trades reflect what’s actually happening in the underlying cash markets, as opposed to noncommercials, who tend to trade futures to speculate.
Some may question the predictive ability of any chart, set forward by one year. McClellan’s response: “You don’t have to understand the physics of something to accept and profit from it.”
“We are already seeing confirming signs of liquidity problems in the weakening [advance-decline] line, which topped back in April and appears to be setting up for a major divergence [from the S&P 500], similar to 2000 and 2007,” McClellan wrote in a recent newsletter.
Other charts supporting the bearish view include the leveling off of Treasury and mortgage-backed securities held by the Federal Reserve after the end of quantitative easing, and the high level of taxation relative to gross domestic product.
Warily bullish
But if he’s so sure that “a major price top” is coming, why is he still bullish for his short-, medium- and long-term trading styles? “If the top is still out in front of you, you don’t want to exit yet,” McClellan said. In other words, you don’t wear a raincoat today because a storm is coming tomorrow.
Many argue that trying to time the market so precisely not only increases risk, by raising the odds of being whipsawed — buying high and selling low, or vice-versa — but also fails to beat the more passive buy-and-hold strategy espoused by financial advisers.
“My mother used to say [that] everyone times the market,” according to McClellan. “Some people buy when they have money, and sell when they need it. Others use methods that are more sophisticated.”
You can decide whether you’re going to buy or sell, but you don’t get to set the price. “The timing [of a trade] is the only thing you have control over. Why abandon the only thing you have control over?” McClellan asked.
The bottom line is that, while it might seem counterintuitive, data provided by MarketWatch’s Mark Hulbert, editor of the newsletter-tracking Hulbert Financial Digest, shows that over the past couple of years, McClellan has helped his readers make money while also reducing risk.
Since Oct. 1, 2013, McClellan’s short-term timing signals have produced an annualized return of 14%, compared with a buy-and-hold return of 14.6%.
But the Sharpe ratio, used by modern portfolio theorists to gauge how much return they’re getting for the risk they are taking, was 0.54 for McClellan’s short-term signals, which was better than the risk-adjusted return reading of 0.47 for a buy-and-hold approach.
The Sharpe ratio for McClellan’s intermediate-term timing signals was also higher than for a buy-and-hold strategy, while his long-term signals came up a bit short.
He declined to comment on the growth of newsletter subscriptions over the years, but he did say he makes “a comfortable living” doing what he loves.
Published: Aug 20, 2015 11:09 a.m. ET
Tom McClellan loves doing what financial advisers tell you not to do. He tries to time the financial markets — to the exact day, if his charts align just right.
At the moment, they are telling him to be bullish on the stock market for all of his trading time frames, including those that trade every few days, weeks and months. But bulls should be ready to flee, as soon as this week.
That’s because McClellan said his timing models suggest “THE” top in stocks will be hit some time over the next week. He expects “nothing good for the bulls for the rest of the year,” he said in a phone interview with MarketWatch.
McClellan doesn’t have a strong view on how far stocks could fall, just that it will probably be an “ugly decline” lasting into early 2016. The good news is that his models suggest it should not be as bad as the 2007-to-2009 bear market, when the S&P 500 Index SPX, -3.19% plunged as much as 57%, or the 2000-to-2002 selloff when the index plummeted 49%.
“I try to get the direction right, and I let the magnitude take care of itself,” McClellan said.
The West Point grad and former Army helicopter pilot also relies heavily on the widely used technical indicator that bears his surname, the McClellan Oscillator (MCO). Developed in 1969 by his parents, Sherman and Marian McClellan, that indicator can be used to determine overbought and oversold conditions and gauge the flow of money into and out of the market, according to the Market Technicians Association’s Knowledge Base.
He’s always looking for patterns that could help him predict the direction and the timing of future market moves. Then he writes about those patterns in daily and bimonthly newsletters, as well as in a weekly notice on one chart in particular.
Currently, McClellan sees a number of bearish patterns warning that the big one is likely to hit Wall Street very soon, he reported. For one, the advance-decline line, which tracks the number of stocks participating in a trend, started declining nearly four months ago.
Meanwhile, the S&P 500 came within a fraction of a record high as recently as July 20. Basically, that suggests the index is being propped up by fewer and fewer stocks, making it much more vulnerable to a shock.
And one reason he expects a big selloff to start as early as this week is a chart showing that liquidity in the financial markets is about to dry up, as investors prepare for the Federal Reserve’s inevitable interest-rate hike.
Eurodollar futures reflect investors’ bets on where they see three-month borrowing rates down the road. Commercial traders are known as “smart money,” because their trades reflect what’s actually happening in the underlying cash markets, as opposed to noncommercials, who tend to trade futures to speculate.
Some may question the predictive ability of any chart, set forward by one year. McClellan’s response: “You don’t have to understand the physics of something to accept and profit from it.”
“We are already seeing confirming signs of liquidity problems in the weakening [advance-decline] line, which topped back in April and appears to be setting up for a major divergence [from the S&P 500], similar to 2000 and 2007,” McClellan wrote in a recent newsletter.
Other charts supporting the bearish view include the leveling off of Treasury and mortgage-backed securities held by the Federal Reserve after the end of quantitative easing, and the high level of taxation relative to gross domestic product.
Warily bullish
But if he’s so sure that “a major price top” is coming, why is he still bullish for his short-, medium- and long-term trading styles? “If the top is still out in front of you, you don’t want to exit yet,” McClellan said. In other words, you don’t wear a raincoat today because a storm is coming tomorrow.
Many argue that trying to time the market so precisely not only increases risk, by raising the odds of being whipsawed — buying high and selling low, or vice-versa — but also fails to beat the more passive buy-and-hold strategy espoused by financial advisers.
“My mother used to say [that] everyone times the market,” according to McClellan. “Some people buy when they have money, and sell when they need it. Others use methods that are more sophisticated.”
You can decide whether you’re going to buy or sell, but you don’t get to set the price. “The timing [of a trade] is the only thing you have control over. Why abandon the only thing you have control over?” McClellan asked.
The bottom line is that, while it might seem counterintuitive, data provided by MarketWatch’s Mark Hulbert, editor of the newsletter-tracking Hulbert Financial Digest, shows that over the past couple of years, McClellan has helped his readers make money while also reducing risk.
Since Oct. 1, 2013, McClellan’s short-term timing signals have produced an annualized return of 14%, compared with a buy-and-hold return of 14.6%.
But the Sharpe ratio, used by modern portfolio theorists to gauge how much return they’re getting for the risk they are taking, was 0.54 for McClellan’s short-term signals, which was better than the risk-adjusted return reading of 0.47 for a buy-and-hold approach.
The Sharpe ratio for McClellan’s intermediate-term timing signals was also higher than for a buy-and-hold strategy, while his long-term signals came up a bit short.
He declined to comment on the growth of newsletter subscriptions over the years, but he did say he makes “a comfortable living” doing what he loves.
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I was too dumb to think the market would continue to get go higher for no reason & didn't reinvest much.....Invested too late, now just pulled things back into stable things to see what''s going to happen. It's all going to crash(correct) I do not want to be on that end again!
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Dow: 16,450
Gold: 1159
The market seems to be preparing for a FED rate hike and stocks are falling as a result. I don't believe the FED will actually raise rates though, so this seems to be a game of chicken between the FED and the market. Dudley seems to be pumping up the media with sound bites of the Fed raising rates in September. With the FED supposedly 'data dependent', it's unclear what good data the FED would have to support a rate increase- there has been more bad data than good the last month.
It should be more interesting this week again- looks like Dow futures are down 400 points for Monday's open. With last week's action I think the FED is more likely to launch another round of QE (in some form perhaps a different name) than to raise rates.
With both the 50 and 200 day moving average support levels busted, I like to use a point and figure chart to see next support. The next support level is: 16,350. Sounds like that one will be busted tomorrow though so 16,050 would be next support level. If that busts through, then it's down to 15,800.
I'm substantially short, so last week was my best week of the year for paper profits. We seem to be in a bad cycle and I don't expect things to change until QE is announced- much easier to make money shorting stocks at this time. If you have cash, I suggest keeping it because there will be some good deals in a couple of months.
Gold: 1159
The market seems to be preparing for a FED rate hike and stocks are falling as a result. I don't believe the FED will actually raise rates though, so this seems to be a game of chicken between the FED and the market. Dudley seems to be pumping up the media with sound bites of the Fed raising rates in September. With the FED supposedly 'data dependent', it's unclear what good data the FED would have to support a rate increase- there has been more bad data than good the last month.
It should be more interesting this week again- looks like Dow futures are down 400 points for Monday's open. With last week's action I think the FED is more likely to launch another round of QE (in some form perhaps a different name) than to raise rates.
With both the 50 and 200 day moving average support levels busted, I like to use a point and figure chart to see next support. The next support level is: 16,350. Sounds like that one will be busted tomorrow though so 16,050 would be next support level. If that busts through, then it's down to 15,800.
I'm substantially short, so last week was my best week of the year for paper profits. We seem to be in a bad cycle and I don't expect things to change until QE is announced- much easier to make money shorting stocks at this time. If you have cash, I suggest keeping it because there will be some good deals in a couple of months.
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More pain for tomorrow. Futures down big.
Dow future down 486.00 (2.95%)
S&P 500 future down 57.25 (2.9%)
Nasdaq future down 181.4998 (4.32%)
Russel future down 32.2001 (2.78%)
Shanghai down 296.55 (8.45%)
Hang Seng Index down 1,039.92 (4.64%)
Nikkei down 766.98 (3.95%)
FTSE down 180.24 (2.83%)
WTI fell under $40.... currently at $39.31
Dow future down 486.00 (2.95%)
S&P 500 future down 57.25 (2.9%)
Nasdaq future down 181.4998 (4.32%)
Russel future down 32.2001 (2.78%)
Shanghai down 296.55 (8.45%)
Hang Seng Index down 1,039.92 (4.64%)
Nikkei down 766.98 (3.95%)
FTSE down 180.24 (2.83%)
WTI fell under $40.... currently at $39.31
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I bet we lose 1,000 today at least on the intraday.
I put a buy order into my IRA mutual fund for close of today.
I put a buy order into my IRA mutual fund for close of today.
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The status quo must be maintained...
NYSE granting "triple width opening quote relief in all option classes for August 24, 2015", Invokes Rule 48
The last time this was invoked was in Jan 2015 (during the blizzard), in June 2012 (amid a dramatic drop in pre-open futures) and in Sept 2011 amid the chaotic 400-point swings in The Dow. Funny they do not use this "Rule" when futures indicate massive upside opens?
NYSE granting "triple width opening quote relief in all option classes for August 24, 2015", Invokes Rule 48
The last time this was invoked was in Jan 2015 (during the blizzard), in June 2012 (amid a dramatic drop in pre-open futures) and in Sept 2011 amid the chaotic 400-point swings in The Dow. Funny they do not use this "Rule" when futures indicate massive upside opens?
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#114
down 2K in the last week last Tuesday it was 17,516, and today it is 15,4xx
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Something strange went on with VHT today. I don't own it but I track it. it dipped down over 30% in the morning.
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I closed out more than half of my funds back in June on a feeling of impending doom. That must've put me on some kind of watch list because my "advisor" started calling me every couple of weeks wondering what was going on and offering to help me with my cash positions. Well, he's not calling anymore.
My gut is saying to reevaluate in October.
My gut is saying to reevaluate in October.
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Think long term.............
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Thanks Stunna! And China!
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Here comes the 2nd wave of selling.