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Americans back to spending like the stupid

The Urge to Splurge
Americans are spending again—whether they can afford to or not. So much for the ‘New Austerity.’

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/11/29/t...ping-back.html
No interest until 2014,” read the massive red sign outside big’s furniture in Henderson, Nev. It beckoned Diane Lewis to the store’s year-end liquidation sale. “I had to pull in,” she said as her sons frolicked on mattresses nearby. “We really need to get us a new bedroom set; their old one is kinda beat up. If we can get that financing deal, we can make it work.”
They’re two months behind on their mortgage, “but we’re gonna catch up,” and she figures the family probably owes about $20,000 on various credit cards. “I know I probably ought to wait a little longer,” said Lewis, a hairdresser, “but this is a pretty good sale, so I think we might buy something if they’ll approve us. I mean, 2014 is a long way off, you know?”
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There is so much wrong with how this woman thinks.
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The American Dyslexic Dream

Put off till tomorrow what should not be done today.
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Shocker... americans love free and easy credit... I don't see how this possibly could go wrong. BUT - if this woman had a fear of inflation - the best thing they can do is take on cheap debt. Borrow valuable dollars now, and pay back with cheaper dollars.

Obviously, I doubt she is smart enough to even think like that...
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Does anyone pay cash for anything these days?
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lol, two months behind and somehow they will catch up? The mrs. and i like the 0% but our bills get paid the day they come in.
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The last time I bought a couch the saleswoman thought I was for not taking their 0% deal. Maybe I was
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Originally Posted by doopstr
The last time I bought a couch the saleswoman thought I was for not taking their 0% deal. Maybe I was
Haha we had the exact same situation when we bought our living room furniture. "But it's free financing"...
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End the Fed. End the easy credit for banks and they'll end easy credit for Americans. Simple as that. /rant
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^^ Doesn't get more simple than that.
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I think ending the Fed is a bit extreme, you'll always need a separate to the government body that controls the monetary policy. Countries that have runaway inflation are the ones who have government control of monetary policy.

But - I totally agree with ending cheap credit to banks. This whole, low interest rates to stimulate growth are really just feeding back into cheap, kinda easy credit....
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Originally Posted by vas25tl
Does anyone pay cash for anything these days?
Actually, I try to put as much as I can on plastic.

Originally Posted by dallison
The mrs. and i like the 0% but our bills get paid the day they come in.
My payments are made 5 to 7 5 days before the due date-- I like the 20 days' 0% financing.
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Originally Posted by Will Y.

My payments are made 5 to 7 5 days before the due date-- I like the 20 days' 0% financing.

Exactly - I pay off my credit card every month in full. I put everything on my CC cards (including Grad school tuition), and have gained a huge amount of credit card points. Taking a trip to Vegas in the spring w/ hotel and flight included using some of my points.
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I think the real problem is how easy it is to get approved credit. I don't know who in the right mind would approve a furniture sale when the borrower is 20k in credit card plus behind in mortage payments.

But yet the system allows people to get credits with 5 digit limits with little to no prove that they can pay it back. People need to take debt a lot more seriously.
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Does anyone pay cash for anything these days?
The way i do it could be a reason why my fico is usually over 800. It was knocked down a little when we refinanced the house.
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^showoff.

when I bought the TL mine was at 759.
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Originally Posted by dallison
The way i do it could be a reason why my fico is usually over 800. It was knocked down a little when we refinanced the house.
Mine sits in the 790's. I'll take zero percent when I can (wife's MDX, for example). The only interest I pay is on my mortgage.
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FICO scores are funny things. I own my home and vehicles, no debt etc. Yet I probably have a lower score than if I were 40 grand in debt and paying it.
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I see more bankruptcy filings in the future...
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
FICO scores are funny things. I own my home and vehicles, no debt etc. Yet I probably have a lower score than if I were 40 grand in debt and paying it.
You are very fortunate and correct. Those who pay everything in cash generally don't have the credit history like those who charge. I always told people when i worked for at&t, " you can have a million dollars in the bank but have a bad credit score" It's not b/c of not paying the bills, but b/c there isn't any or little proof of repaying back.
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Originally Posted by vas25tl


Does anyone pay cash for anything these days?
I do. Or at least with my debit card. I only use my credit cards for an emergency. I have zero balances on everything. I don't own anyone anything.

My credit scores sit in the 790's as well. Sometimes low 800's
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There is nothing wrong with debt. The smart people draw the line in the right place.
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I see more bankruptcy filings in the future...
I assume you leech off of this?
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Originally Posted by Johnny_b
There is nothing wrong with debt. The smart people draw the line in the right place.
Well to a point. It needs to be smart debt.

Mortgage = smart debt (sorry Ken, I didn't have a liquid $500K laying around to bypass the mortgage).
And I'd much rather invest my cash to make more money.

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There is nothing wrong with debt.
To me there is. I rather like not owing anyone anything & if I want to buy something I actually have to save for it instead of the popcorn I gotta have it now mentality that is sinking our country. If people learned to live within their means this place would be a vastly better.
But's that's me.
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
To me there is. I rather like not owing anyone anything & if I want to buy something I actually have to save for it instead of the popcorn I gotta have it now mentality that is sinking our country. If people learned to live within their means this place would be a vastly better.
But's that's me.
I'm with you there. The only debt that is good is if the return on the money borrowed is guaranteed to be greater than the interest paid on the debt. About the only thing that matches this rule is a good education. Housing is questionable, and in most cases is more of a lifestyle decision than an investment.

No one is ever glad that they have debt, just like no one ever complains about having no debt. No debt is ALWAYS a good thing.
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I assume you leech off of this?
Yes.


Also serves as an amazing wake-up call in general. Pretty crazy.
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Nearly 1/3rd of Home "Owners" in the U.S. in Default Have Not Made a Payment in 2 Yea

Nearly a year and a half ago I was one of the first to identify a huge stealth stimulus the government, Fed, and banking system was creating - the strategic default stimulus. [Nov 25, 2009: America's Stealth Stimulus Plan; Allowing It's Home "Owners" to be Deadbeats] By the spring of 2010, Cramer and quite a few in the financial blogosphere began picking up on it. Now as we enter spring 2011, we are seeing truly how pervasive this stimulus has become per a whopping statistic on Mish Shedlock's blog. Regular readers will know that 1 in 10 American households that has a mortgage is now in default. But of that 10% of our home "ownership" class (I use the word loosely) living 'rent free', nearly 1 in 3 has not made a mortgage payment in 2 years. That's astounding.....
http://www.fundmymutualfund.com/2011...-in-us-in.html
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It's only a "stimulus" if those NOT making payments while in default actually have the money for the mortgage payment AND are spending it elsewhere instead.

That's a pretty significant assumption.

Is there an increase in consumer spending, not accounted for by other means, that equals the mortgage payment amount of this "non-mortgage paying home-owner" class? If the two amounts can't be reasonably tied together, I'm skeptical that such a "stealth stimulus" exists in the real world.
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I know a couple people not paying their mortgage and secretly spending large amount of cash on things LOL They are attempting to hide the paper trail from their mortgage company. Claiming they havent paid so they can get a modification. I just laugh
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Mall Rats Can’t Bring About the Wealth of Nations: Caroline Baum

Dec. 2 (Bloomberg) -- The spectacle of hordes of shoppers schlepping through the mall at midnight with children in tow, stuffing their carts after stuffing their bellies, was a sight to behold. And apparently one to cheer.

U.S. stocks soared on Monday following reports of a bang-up start to the holiday shopping season. Black Friday sales rose 6.6 percent from last year to a record $11.4 billion while “retail foot traffic” -- now there’s a metric you can take to the bank -- rose 5.1 percent, according to ShopperTrak, a Chicago research firm.

The National Retail Federation said U.S. shoppers spent a record $52.4 billion during Thanksgiving weekend in stores and online, a 16 percent increase over last year. Online sales soared 33 percent on “Cyber Monday,” according to IBM. The market-research firm comScore Inc. said it was the single- biggest online-shopping day in U.S. history.

Consumer spending accounts for about 70 percent of U.S. gross domestic product. As the consumer goes, so goes the nation.

Not so fast......
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
FICO scores are funny things. I own my home and vehicles, no debt etc. Yet I probably have a lower score than if I were 40 grand in debt and paying it.
As Dave Ramsey say's, "Your FICO score is your ability to go deeper into debt".

I know many insurance companies are using FICO to determine rates etc... so the above isn't completely true, but it's still a pretty good rule to live by.
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I love these commercials. They basically say, "Yeah we know you are tapped out, but keep spending anyway"
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Consumer credit jumps in March
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(Reuters) - Consumers went back to using their credit cards in March to keep spending while student and new-car loans shot up as the value of outstanding consumer credit jumped at the fastest rate since late 2001, data from the Federal Reserve showed on Monday.

Total consumer credit grew by $21.36 billion - more than twice the $9.8 billion rise that Wall Street economists surveyed by Reuters had forecast. That followed a revised $9.27 billion increase in outstanding credit in February.

Analysts expressed some reservations whether the date reliably signaled a real pickup in demand, something that would normally fuel stronger growth, or just a need to rely more on credit in an economy generating anemic job growth.

"The optimistic read is that consumers' improved outlook on the economy and employment prospects led them to feel comfortable spending on credit, while a more downbeat interpretation is that credit is needed for consumers to keep up," Nomura Global Economics said in a note afterward.

The March rise in consumer credit was the strongest for any month since November 2001 when it soared by $28 billion. That was shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks when big automakers were offering zero-percent financing and other incentives to lure consumers back to their showrooms.

New-car sales and production were a key influence on the 2.2 percent annual rate of economic growth posted during the first three months this year. The government estimated that about half of that growth came from increased new car production.

The March figures showed consumers once again expanding their credit card use after two months in which they had paid this debt. So-called revolving, or credit-card, debt rose $5.18 billion after declining by $2.35 billion in February and $2.95 billion in January.

Paul Edelstein, an economist with IHS Global Insight in Lexington, Massachusetts, said it might mean that consumers have now paid down debt that they accumulated over the holiday season and were ready and able to take on more, but cautioned that was not a certainty.

"The bearish view is that with income growth anemic, households needed to use their credit cards to pay for higher gasoline prices in March," he added.

The main increase in March consumer credit was concentrated in non-revolving credit, a category that includes student and car loans. It climbed by $16.17 billion following a revised $11.62-billion gain in February.

Concern about student loan levels has increased in an environment where newly graduating students face difficulty finding a job and keeping up with loan payments.

Congress is currently considering how to prevent a low interest rate for student loans from doubling on July 1 and is expected to find a way to do so, if only to avoid irritating young voters ahead of November's presidential elections.

A scarcity of job opportunities has led more people to seek retraining at colleges and universities which has also contributed to loan demand and growth in outstanding credit.

"We expect that student loan growth will continue to push the level of consumer credit outstanding higher, and we look for revolving credit to expand as banks become more willing to lend," Barclays Bank PLC said in a statement.

Last week, the Fed said in its latest report on bank lending standards that bankers had become more willing to lend and that demand for business loans had increased in the first three months of this year.

That was taken as a hopeful sign for expansion because credit standards had tightened sharply after the 2007-09 recession and any loosening of standards could indicate an easier flow of credit that is vital to fuel growth.
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Originally Posted by doopstr
I love these commercials. They basically say, "Yeah we know you are tapped out, but keep spending anyway"
Wow just wow.
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More Debt For American Consumer, A Rare Positive Sign For Economy
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U.S. consumer credit expanded far more than expected in May, a time when the broader economy seemed to cool.

Consumer credit grew by the most in five months, rising by a seasonally adjusted $17.1 billion to $2.6 trillion, Federal Reserve data shows this afternoon. Credit increased at an annualized 8.3% rate, the best pace since last December’s 9.3%. Economists had expected credit to expand by only $7.8 billion.

Growth in borrowing suggests Americans sought financing for cars and other large items, as well as loans for education, in a period where global fears and grim readings on the U.S. economy weighed their minds. Consider that the pickup came in the same month where economists speculated about the impending insolvency of the eurozone, and U.S. job growth slowed to 77,000.

Some observers, though, point to May’s expansion as evidence that consumers turned to credit because wage growth isn’t keeping up with expenses. Revolving credit, which includes credit-card spending, rose by $8 million, the largest one-month surge since November 2007. Continuing spikes in revolving credit would illustrate the need to use debt in place of income, says IHS economist Paul Edelstein. (And chalk up good months for credit-card companies like Visa and Mastercard.)

Meanwhile, in May, nonrevolving debt—loans for education loans and big-ticket purchases—climbed by $9.1 billion. The large majority of that increase came from federal government loans, mainly used for schooling, which rose by $6.2 billion.

Consumers’ willingness to seek long-term debt can be a boost to car companies such as Ford and General Motors and other businesses selling mostly large items. In all, consumer spending is the key driver of economic growth, making up some 70% of all activity in the U.S. It’s been restrained in past months by the weak job growth and worries about Europe.

Today’s report does not show any data on mortgages or other real estate loans.
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sorry for the newbness, but in these articles when they refer to debt is that the accumulation of all credit card bills/loans in general discounting mortgage loans sometimes like the article above says?

Cause for me although my spending is quite low still, i really only try to use card, but i'm also paying off each bill in full every month. I dont carry a balance. And i wont spend money i dont have.

So for instance the way i use a credit card, it that counted as debt in these statistics given. Or is it for only people that carry a balance.
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Yes it counts as debt. Your last statement balance will always show on your credit report. If you are using your card every month your credit report will never show a card balance of zero even if you pay it off every month.
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
I do. Or at least with my debit card. I only use my credit cards for an emergency. I have zero balances on everything. I don't own anyone anything.

My credit scores sit in the 790's as well. Sometimes low 800's


We are the same, zero balances on everything. Only debt we have is my wifes MBA loan.

She did make a fubar 2 months ago, she bought my daughters flower girl dress on a CC, and we moved 2 weeks later, well we never got the bill....30 days late and freakin chase sent it to collections that fast!!! All for like a $60 payment. Called chase, raised hell, admitted our fault but nothing we can do, dispute had already been sent to credit agencies. Never heard of them doing that after 30 days late.

Literally the first time we've been late on any payment in over 12 years.
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Americans borrowing record amount to buy cars

A combination of higher prices for new cars and relatively low rates for auto loans means Americans are borrowing a record amount to pay for their new rides.

According to Experian Automotive, which tracks millions of auto loans written each quarter, the average amount borrowed by car buyers last quarter climbed above $27,000 for the first time ever.

"It's not surprising buyers are borrowing more," said Melinda Zabritski, Experian's senior director of automotive credit. "If you look at the most popular segments, they are full-size pickups and SUVs. It's hard to find one of those models new and fully loaded for under $30,000."

According to Experian, the average auto loan in fourth quarter 2013 was $27,430—an increase of $739 compared with the same period of 2012. The average used car loan was $345 higher, coming in at $17,974.

Those with non-prime credit ratings—or credit scores between 620 and 679—had the highest average auto loan. For these borrowers, the average new car loan rose more than $1,500, to a new high of $29,385.

And as their loans rise, keeping the monthly payment as low as possible has become more of a challenge—even as car buyers stretch their loans over longer periods of time. According to Experian, the average monthly payment for a new car auto loan rose $11 to $471 in the fourth quarter; the average monthly payment for a used car loan edged $4 higher, to $352.

Not surprisingly, those with subprime credit ratings—credit scores between 550 and 619—had the highest average monthly payment, of $499.

"I expect that monthly payment to continue rising and go above $500," Zabritski said. "There's always a tipping point where buyers say, 'I can't pay that much every month.' So far, we haven't seen the flashing lights go off indicating buyers are at a tipping point."

The payments are rising despite an increasing number of car buyers opting to stretch their loans over six or seven years. According to Experian, a record 20 percent of all new car auto loans in the fourth quarter were more than six years in length.

Overall, the average auto loan is scheduled to last five years and three months—but that could be rising.

J.D. Power said last week that February was on track to have one-third of new car auto loans last at least six years.

Bigger auto loans shouldn't come as a surprise, given the average transaction price—or the amount buyers are paying at dealerships—climbed 1.9 percent to $32,160 in February, according to Kelley Blue Book. It's the second straight month transaction prices came in above $32,000, as car buyers are adding navigation systems, in-car connectivity and infotainment systems to their vehicles.

Within the industry, automakers such as Ford and Volkswagen have average transaction prices higher than $34,000. But for February, the highest average transaction price among the largest mass automakers was General Motors, where the average model sold at dealerships for $35,380.

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