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Old 05-25-2011, 07:33 PM
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That's one hacker's opinion but I bet my neighbor would disagree with him. His Win 7 machine got pwnd last month and couldn't run auto updates until it received a deep clean. ASLR didn't do too much for him.

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LOL! Now you're comparing an experts wisdom and experience to what your next door neighbor might think. How sad!

Let me know if you find any Security Experts speaking out against what Charlie Miller said about OS X and disagreeing while providing logical points and proof to back up their claim. Tip: Don't bother looking cause you won't find any......
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http://www.ihasapple.com/2011/02/app...curity-review/
Dear Charlie Miller,
"I wanted to let you know that I’ve requested that you be invited to the prerelease seed of Mac OS X Lion, and you should receive an invitation soon," the letter from Apple read. It isn’t known how many security researchers received the note in question. "As you have reported Mac OS X security issues in the past," the letter continues, "I thought that you might be interested in taking a look at this. It contains several improvements in the area of security countermeasures."
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:08 PM
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Good!

Only thing I've read security wise about Lion is this about fixing insecure folder permissions. Charlie speculates that they'll finally add full ASLR to Lion but that has neither been confirmed or denied. But I'm sure it will be...

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...rmissions.html

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Security Company Trend Micro declared Mac OS X as the most dangerous OS to use because:

OS: The riskiest OS used was Apple’s Mac OS X. In November, Apple sent users a massive maintenance release that weighed in at at least 644.48MB. The weighty upgrade included fixes for multiple security vulnerabilities since the previous update released in mid-June. Apple’s penchant for secrecy and longer patch cycles also increased the risk for users.
http://blog.trendmicro.com/2010s-most-dangerous-list/

So Apple is slow on average at patching OS X security holes. They again haven't followed Microsoft's lead and implemented a once month patch cycle. They have no schedule and updates come at random times and there's no announcement beforehand that they are coming which must thrill IT depts.
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I understand your argument but the reality is that if I give my kids a Win 7 machine and a Mac the Win 7 machine is more likely to get infected. To me that equals less secure. If it becomes the norm that malware starts killing macs then I will change my opinion.

As a plus, Charlie Miller still thinks that I don't need to bother installing anti-virus on my mac. http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gam...ired/?hpt=Sbin

BTW, I work in an enterprise and I would never recommend Apple in the enterprise because of what you just mentioned. Desktops are one thing, but not back end servers. Apple's server support sucks, which is why I guess they got out of it. We do run plenty of Linux though. Apple currently has no current desire to be in the enterprise anyway, iPads and iPhones excluded.

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The correct definition is safer.

Windows is like the super fancy bank safe downtown with all the money that has all the security features to keep people out and Mac is like the bank safe out in BFE that doesn't have as many of the security features that Windows has but also doesn't have hardly any money in it. So the bank robbers spend their time trying to get into the Windows bank safe cause that's where the money is and don't focus on mac cause there's not as much reward for the work. The Mac bank safe isn't more secure it's just less of a target so you have less chance of your monies being stolen in if you put it in the Mac safe. It's safer not more secure.

But if they start targeting mac users than it will become insecure much faster since Mac is years behind Windows in security features.
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Originally Posted by doopstr
http://www.ihasapple.com/2011/02/app...curity-review/
Dear Charlie Miller,

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I liked this line....

In response to the letter, software security guru Dino Dai Zovi tweeted: "Will Lion be the ‘Vista’ of Mac OS X? In the sense that they start taking security seriously
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
The correct definition is safer.

Windows is like the super fancy bank safe downtown with all the money that has all the security features to keep people out and Mac is like the bank safe out in BFE that doesn't have as many of the security features that Windows has but also doesn't have hardly any money in it. So the bank robbers spend their time trying to get into the Windows bank safe cause that's where the money is and don't focus on mac cause there's not as much reward for the work. The Mac bank safe isn't more secure it's just less of a target so you have less chance of your monies being stolen in if you put it in the Mac safe. It's safer not more secure.

But if they start targeting mac users than it will become insecure much faster since Mac is years behind Windows in security features.
for me id rather go the easy route and rob multiple easy targets with smaller loot then spending more time on trying to rob 1 difficult target with phatty loot.

but thats just me
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Windows weakness is the insecurity of 3rd party software like flash and java. Windows itself has become so much more difficult to hack that they now attack it through essential 3rd party software.....

I swear I covered this topic in the second post of this thread....
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which is what im saying id rather rob/hack macs
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Interesting show on TV about Stuxnet, among other things.
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CNBC

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42210831/


Show is called "Code Wars"

EDIT, I typed COED Wars at first and almost left it. :giggity:



Some of it is the usual clips pulled out of context to make everyone think the computers are going to ruin us all (Zeus virus), but the Stuxnet piece was very interesting.
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
which is what im saying id rather rob/hack macs
They are the sexy virgins of the internet. The scripts kiddies prefer the filthy windows whores that all the other script kiddies have already been in. I think they are just afraid to talk to pretty girls.

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Mac OS X just got it's first DIY malware builder kit!

A new crimeware toolkit designed to create Mac OS X trojans is being advertised on several private underground forums according to security researchers from Danish IT security firm CSIS Security Group.

Crimeware toolkits allow users to build custom versions of trojans tailored for their own needs, complete with the command and control (C&C) applications.

Dubbed the Weyland-Yutani BOT, after a fictional corporation from the Alien series, the toolkit is being advertised as the first malware builder for Mac OS X and is similar in functionality to the infamous ZeuS and SpyEye kits.

The trojan supports form grabbing and web page injection for Firefox and Chrome, but not for Safari, because, according to the author, there are still many problems with that browser.

According to analysts from the CSIS eCrime Unit, the first version of the toolkit is being sold for $1,000 payable only in Liberty Reserve (LR) or WebMoney (WMZ) virtual currencies.

"CSIS eCrime Unit is in possession of videos documenting both the admin panel and its functionality as well as the builder itself. Both video clips prove this kit to be fully operational already," Peter Kruse, security specialist at CSIS, writes.

Independent security journalist Brian Krebs cites the toolkit's author as saying that web injects developed for ZeuS or SpyEye can be used with Weyland-Yutani after some formatting.

The existence of this toolkit is very bad news for Mac users and follows recent scareware attacks directed at Apple's operating system.

Security researchers have long argued that Mac OS X is just as prone to malware as Windows and that the only thing keeping cyber criminals away from it is its small market share.

However, due to a tough competition on the Windows malware threat landscape, some attackers are beginning to tap into alternative sources of potential victims, which include Mac OS X users.

Other operating systems are not safe either, as the Weyland-Yutani BOT author is working on variants for Linux, as well as iOS.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mac-O...t-198379.shtml

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sweet.

ive been waiting for this day since... 1999 or so.
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Originally Posted by doopstr
They are the sexy virgins of the internet. The scripts kiddies prefer the filthy windows whores that all the other script kiddies have already been in. I think they are just afraid to talk to pretty girls.
aint that the truth..
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Apple finally released the definition update to the MacDefender threat.

Faced with the embarrassment of an aggressive scareware (fake antivirus) campaign against Mac users, Apple today shipped a definition update to its File Quarantine feature to block the MacDefender threat.

Today’s Security Update 2011-003 follows scathing criticism of the company’s response to the threat and provides further confirmation that there is a clear and present malware threat to the Mac OS X ecosystem.

The File Quarantine update is available for Mac OS X v10.6.7 and Mac OS X Server v10.6.7.

An advisory from Apple identifies the threat as OSX.MacDefender.A.

The File Quarantine feature has also been beefed up to automatically check for known malware definitions and apply these updates when necessarily.

“The system will check daily for updates to the File Quarantine malware definition list.
An opt-out capability is provided via the “Automatically update safe downloads list” checkbox in Security Preferences,” Apple explained.

For Mac users who already fell victim to the MacDefender scam, Apple shipped a malware removal tool to handle post-infection clean up.

The installation process for this update will search for and remove known variants of the MacDefender malware. If a known variant was detected and removed, the user will be notified via an alert after the update is installed.

The MacDefender scam has used social engineering lures associated with Bin Laden’s death to spread. There are multiple variants in circulation, according to anti-malware experts tracking the threat.
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Steve didn't want that cloud over his head at next week's mac nerd fest.
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Well that was fast.

New Variant of 'Mac Defender' Quickly Evades Apple's Security Update as Cat-and-Mouse Game Begins
June 1, 2011 9:26 am PDT by Eric Slivka

As we noted yesterday, Apple released Security Update 2011-003 for Mac OS X Snow Leopard, a system update addressing the "Mac Defender" malware threat that has been running in the wild under several different variants for the past month. The update provides tools for automatically removing the malware, as well as protection against future infections. But as reported by ZDNet, a new variant of the malware capable of circumventing Apple's update has already appeared. popping up within hours of Apple's software release.
Hours after Apple released this update and the initial set of definitions, a new variation of Mac Defender is in the wild. This one has a new name, Mdinstall.pkg, and it has been specifically formulated to skate past Apple's malware-blocking code.

The file has a date and time stamp from last night at 9:24PM Pacific time. That's less than 8 hours after Apples security update was released.

Apple has prepared for this eventuality by including automatic daily updates of malware definitions with the software update, enabling it to quickly deploy protection as new variants and entirely different pieces of malware surface. Consequently, Apple should be able to respond to the new threat relatively quickly, although the speed with which the new variant appeared suggests that those responsible for the malware will not be going away easily.
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That's why the enabled daily updates. Now lets see if they can keep up......
welcome to the real world Apple.
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Steve really doesn't want any distractions next week...
iOS 5, Lion, and iCloud must be huge.

Apple Responds Quickly to Evolving 'Mac Defender' Threat With Updated Malware Definitions
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/02/...e-definitions/
As reported by Italian site Spider-Mac [Google translation], Apple has already issued an update to detect the new variant, pushing out a new entry for "OSX.MacDefender.C" to the Xprotect.plist file that contains the signatures for identifying malware.

After the update, users are indeed presented with a warning if they begin to download the latest variant:
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I hope there isn't a news article everytime there's a new variant and everytime the definitions have been updated, that's gonna get old fast......

I'm already over it
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From a threat vector perspective, this is really bad.

Apple user tend to be less security aware, more affluent, more trusting, less vigilant.

They have been dangling their feet into the water while chumming because there were no sharks. Until now.
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My dad just got infected with MacDefender!!!!

I told him a couple weeks ago when it was first going around that it was out there and that he was gonna get it.

maybe if Apple set Software updates to install automatically he would've gotten the security update that helps block it by now and he wouldn't be infected but Apple leaves security updates to the user's discretion which means it doesn't get done
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OMG I just had to stop him from putting in credit card info!!! I walk in his room and he's entering the CC info and everything! Completely clueless!
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Actually, he apparently entering the CC info many times but it wasn't taking because it didn't like his middle initial, so he just kept trying......

If you couldn't tell he's only used Macs
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Scratch that! He had installed the Security 2011-003 update it just didn't work!

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Apparently he had 19 copies of the install file on his Mac
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I clicked on one and it asks to install but never says what is trying to install

I told him to cancel his CC after entering the info so many times, he's done that so he should be good now.
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It's times like this I'm glad my parents don't use the internet
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The issue experienced by all QX clients today was caused by a very well distributed DOS attack. This information is just coming in but the following providers were also hit:

Windstream
Insight
Level3
Peak 10
Network Solutions

We do expect this list to grow but whatever group is responsible for this effectively took several providers offline or caused major network performance issues.

I will provide further updates as they become available.

Thanks

Got this email earlier from the president of a small service provider out of Lexington (QX) that we do some business with. Believable, or is he covering for his company?
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If there was a DOS that took down Level 3 and network solutions then I think we'd know about it by now....
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Got this email earlier from the president of a small service provider out of Lexington (QX) that we do some business with. Believable, or is he covering for his company?
I worked at a shop once that blamed an outage on a DOS attack. They are out of business now.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20...-ddos-attacks/
Network Solutions suffers two DDoS attacks...A distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack was carried out against Network Solutions on yesterday afternoon, and again this morning, according to a post on the company's official blog by spokesman Shashi Bellamkonda.
In other news, the writer of that story, Erica Ogg.

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Another example of cloud fail...
Dropbox Accidentally Turned Off Passwords on File Storage Service
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Dr...ervice-655206/
Online storage service Dropbox accidentally turned off passwords for four hours, potentially exposing data belonging to its 25 million customers to unauthorized users.

The breach occurred when the company applied a code change at 4:54 p.m. EST on June 19 that caused problems with the authentication mechanism, Arash Ferdowsi, Dropbox CTO and founder, wrote in the company blog June 20. The problem was discovered about four hours later and Dropbox killed all of the sessions of those who were logged in and accessing the data.

The password issue allowed anyone in the world to access any of the 25 million accounts and the information stored inside by typing in any string as the password. The bug was possible because Dropbox handles encryption and decryption on its servers instead of the individual user computers. Since it holds the encryption key, it controls who can open the files, not the user.

"This should never have happened. We are scrutinizing our controls, and we will be implementing additional safeguards to prevent this from happening again," Ferdowsi wrote in his blog.
click link for full story.
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I just shut down, opened and dusted out my PC.

I feel SO bad for it!

not so bad inside but the air filters on the fans were really clogged...

Hopefully this lessens the heat load.

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