Apple Wins $1 Billion as Jury Finds Samsung Violated Patents
08-28-2012, 04:15 AM
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Another article I found, sheds some light on why Jobs and by extension, Apple are so intent on protecting their IP....
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
Wonder how this is going to go down...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
Wonder how this is going to go down...
08-28-2012, 08:37 AM
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^^ I guess we have to be a member to read the whole story?
08-28-2012, 12:34 PM
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Motorola, Apple reach licensing deal in Germany.
http://www.cultofmac.com/187477/goog...aign=spread-us
http://www.cultofmac.com/187477/goog...aign=spread-us
08-28-2012, 01:44 PM
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I have banned the use of apple products in my house. My daughter and a couple of her friends don't like be but I don't care. Fuck apple. I'm so sick of suing because its the american way.
08-28-2012, 02:02 PM
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08-28-2012, 02:04 PM
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I'm Down Right Fierce!
No, he doesn't do patent litigation - his firm writes/registers patents for tech companies in the silicon valley area.
But he and I realize that this suit will have a ripple effect on consumers - licensing fees will need to be paid which will be paid through the consumers.
It's all fine and dandy if you're an Apple fanboi - you can feel good knowing that you paid $500 bucks for your shiny Apple toy, and that others who want an alternative (like samsung) can no longer buy a cheaper alternative because they have to pay licensing fees out the ass for icons with "rounded squares".
Fuck... I need to register a patent for square icons, rectangle icons, and circle icons and sue every developer in States... thats the american way right?
But he and I realize that this suit will have a ripple effect on consumers - licensing fees will need to be paid which will be paid through the consumers.
It's all fine and dandy if you're an Apple fanboi - you can feel good knowing that you paid $500 bucks for your shiny Apple toy, and that others who want an alternative (like samsung) can no longer buy a cheaper alternative because they have to pay licensing fees out the ass for icons with "rounded squares".
Fuck... I need to register a patent for square icons, rectangle icons, and circle icons and sue every developer in States... thats the american way right?
08-28-2012, 02:11 PM
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Apple won a lawsuit...all you anti-apple people come crawling out of the woodwork pissing and moaning as if its going to change the world in some negative way.
Fact is...if this had been Apple getting sued and losing for the same thing all you whiny asses would come crawling out of the woodwork celebrating a huge blow to Apple.
Its completely retarded and backwards thinking.
And if this suit hadnt been Apple Vs Samsung...it would have been someone else vs someone else in the future. There have been enough tech companies buying out smaller companies or bankrupt companies in order to gain their patents for the same fucking thing...licensing.
Hell, its the only reason Kodak is dead and in the ground yet.
You guys need to quit whining and open your eyes.
08-28-2012, 02:16 PM
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This is happening across Europe and Asia, with other companies suing Apple. So get rid of all the crap in your house that does the same as Apple.
08-28-2012, 02:20 PM
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@Sarlacc and Jupiter.
Nah, I'd bitch and moan if the situation were reversed, such as if Samsung sued Apple and won a patent suit for something stupid such as "a non black home screen page."
I'm not an Apple hater, own Apple products and will likely buy Apple products in the future - lets be honest, their build quality is the best period, and anyone claiming that other companies have something comparable at a cheaper price is bullshitting you.
IMHO Both companies are retarded:
Apple claiming that this suit was in the name of innovation, when they originally took ideas from Xerox.
Samsung claiming that they didn't copy, when clearly did (as per their internal paperwork) - this could've been avoided if they reached a licensing agreement, instead now the litigation costs will somehow make it into "production costs" and be paid through new products.
I'm just a disgruntled consumer who doesn't want to pay more for non apple products.
Nah, I'd bitch and moan if the situation were reversed, such as if Samsung sued Apple and won a patent suit for something stupid such as "a non black home screen page."
I'm not an Apple hater, own Apple products and will likely buy Apple products in the future - lets be honest, their build quality is the best period, and anyone claiming that other companies have something comparable at a cheaper price is bullshitting you.
IMHO Both companies are retarded:
Apple claiming that this suit was in the name of innovation, when they originally took ideas from Xerox.
Samsung claiming that they didn't copy, when clearly did (as per their internal paperwork) - this could've been avoided if they reached a licensing agreement, instead now the litigation costs will somehow make it into "production costs" and be paid through new products.
I'm just a disgruntled consumer who doesn't want to pay more for non apple products.
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08-28-2012, 02:20 PM
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No, he doesn't do patent litigation - his firm writes/registers patents for tech companies in the silicon valley area.
But he and I realize that this suit will have a ripple effect on consumers - licensing fees will need to be paid which will be paid through the consumers.
It's all fine and dandy if you're an Apple fanboi - you can feel good knowing that you paid $500 bucks for your shiny Apple toy, and that others who want an alternative (like samsung) can no longer buy a cheaper alternative because they have to pay licensing fees out the ass for icons with "rounded squares".
Fuck... I need to register a patent for square icons, rectangle icons, and circle icons and sue every developer in States... thats the american way right?
But he and I realize that this suit will have a ripple effect on consumers - licensing fees will need to be paid which will be paid through the consumers.
It's all fine and dandy if you're an Apple fanboi - you can feel good knowing that you paid $500 bucks for your shiny Apple toy, and that others who want an alternative (like samsung) can no longer buy a cheaper alternative because they have to pay licensing fees out the ass for icons with "rounded squares".
Fuck... I need to register a patent for square icons, rectangle icons, and circle icons and sue every developer in States... thats the american way right?
, Apple fanboi . You're an Apple fanboi just with Samsung name on it. When you invent something or come up with an idea that others take to do business against, just remember your whining. But I'm pretty sure that will never happen with you. You are of the generation that thinks it should be given to everyone free or just taken of off the internet with a download or torrents. Part of the new American Way
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08-28-2012, 02:24 PM
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Half of your electronics are already paying patent rights to other tech companies.
You don't think apple doesn't pay anyone for licenscing patents?
You don't think apple doesn't pay anyone for licenscing patents?
08-28-2012, 02:27 PM
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@Jupiter 
Didn't mean to attack you or anything - and wasn't referring to you as an Apple fanboi.
And I actually don't own any Samsung products nor am a fanboi of anything (well maybe just the the Sony Playstation brand).
I just see this as a lose/lose situation for consumers.
@Sarlacc - You're probably right, they most likely do.
Didn't mean to attack you or anything - and wasn't referring to you as an Apple fanboi.And I actually don't own any Samsung products nor am a fanboi of anything (well maybe just the the Sony Playstation brand).
I just see this as a lose/lose situation for consumers.
@Sarlacc - You're probably right, they most likely do.
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08-28-2012, 02:29 PM
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I understand from your post#89. I was ribbing you back.
08-28-2012, 02:31 PM
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These exact lawsuits have been happening for decades. This is probably just the largest one to date.
08-28-2012, 03:13 PM
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^ But Sarlacc! I don't want to pay Apple prices for a shitty Samsung Galaxy Tablet...
I know I'm just whining and bitching. Apparently, the Judge urged the parties to settle out of court, and both sides refused.
I'm just annoyed because like I said above, those legal costs incurred by Samsung will somehow have to be paid through consumers... and the fact that they're likely going to appeal and their attorneys are gonna be charging premium rates for the appeal doesn't sit well with me either.
Like someone said earlier, Samsung should pay Apple the $1 billion, work out a licensing agreement, and move the fuck on.
I know I'm just whining and bitching. Apparently, the Judge urged the parties to settle out of court, and both sides refused.
I'm just annoyed because like I said above, those legal costs incurred by Samsung will somehow have to be paid through consumers... and the fact that they're likely going to appeal and their attorneys are gonna be charging premium rates for the appeal doesn't sit well with me either.
Like someone said earlier, Samsung should pay Apple the $1 billion, work out a licensing agreement, and move the fuck on.
08-28-2012, 03:18 PM
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Nope. They arent 18 so I get to decide what i allow in my house and dont. (Much like the laws i have to follow that i dont get any say in) I didnt like apple before this. Im just using this as an excuse to flex my muscle as a parent in my house. 
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08-28-2012, 03:20 PM
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Ill stick with my samsung stuff
08-28-2012, 06:12 PM
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I'll have you all know that I did not hack into fattits' account and post those. 
08-28-2012, 06:48 PM
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^ Yea sure 
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08-28-2012, 09:58 PM
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the jury in this case just reaffirms in my belief that people are stupid...
08-28-2012, 10:04 PM
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While it is no shock that Samsung will appeal, this article lists the things Samsung will likely use to take this all the way up the court-appeal process: http://gizmodo.com/5938219/why-the-a...ple-vs-samsung
08-28-2012, 10:23 PM
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Just bought a new 32gb Galaxy S3 tonight 
Take that Apple 
Take that Apple
08-28-2012, 11:31 PM
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08-29-2012, 08:41 AM
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Here you people are bitching there will be no innovating because of this suit....and here Samsung goes and announces this today...
I think its stupid because its so damn bulky, but i like the direction...and hey, they did it first...
http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/...-ifa-2012.html
I think its stupid because its so damn bulky, but i like the direction...and hey, they did it first...
http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/...-ifa-2012.html
08-29-2012, 02:57 PM
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Here you people are bitching there will be no innovating because of this suit....and here Samsung goes and announces this today...
I think its stupid because its so damn bulky, but i like the direction...and hey, they did it first...
http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/...-ifa-2012.html
I think its stupid because its so damn bulky, but i like the direction...and hey, they did it first...
http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/...-ifa-2012.html
08-29-2012, 02:59 PM
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whoopsy
08-29-2012, 03:58 PM
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and there were inconsistencies in the juries decisions ( http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...12082510525390 )
According to Vel Hogan:
The software on the Apple side could not be placed into the processor on the prior art and vice versa. That means they are not interchangeable. 
That changed everything right there.
That changed everything right there.
Using that argument alone, they could easily invalidate Apple's patent claims since nothing on Samsung devices would run on Apple devices due to different processors, right? If it does not fit, you must acquit.
08-29-2012, 04:04 PM
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will they ever learn their lesson?
this is their windows 8 phone.
Wont be too long before apple goes after this too?
this is their windows 8 phone.
Wont be too long before apple goes after this too?
08-29-2012, 04:29 PM
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Here you people are bitching there will be no innovating because of this suit....and here Samsung goes and announces this today...
I think its stupid because its so damn bulky, but i like the direction...and hey, they did it first...
http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/...-ifa-2012.html
I think its stupid because its so damn bulky, but i like the direction...and hey, they did it first...
http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/...-ifa-2012.html
They copied apple again....
08-29-2012, 09:11 PM
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Greg Mansfield wished he looked like that
08-29-2012, 09:12 PM
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08-29-2012, 09:13 PM
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08-31-2012, 02:03 AM
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ohh i didnt check out the back, but is there anything patented on the back of the iphone?? I know its the shape and the home button that have the patents.
anyway...
samsung won in tokyo also but its nothing as big as it was here. Apple was only asking for a million over there.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/08...llion-damages/
anyway...
samsung won in tokyo also but its nothing as big as it was here. Apple was only asking for a million over there.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/08...llion-damages/
10-03-2012, 08:05 PM
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Costliest and most clever marketing for a smartphone, ever?
http://www.localytics.com/blog/2012/...e-comparisons/
Samsung had this planned all along!!!!
Lawsuit, iPhone 5 Spur Samsung Galaxy Sales
Yesterday Samsung added the iPhone 5 to its patent lawsuit against Apple and other manufacturers. This comes after Apple was awarded $1 billion for Samsung’s infringements. But sales of Samsung’s flagship Galaxy S III haven’t been hurt and appear to have been helped by the news. The powerhouse Android device saw average growth of 9% in new devices each week since August 1st, with huge spikes in Galaxy S III adoption occurring after the Apple lawsuit verdict and after the iPhone 5 announcement.
The first spike in weekly growth coincides with the same week that a jury awarded Apple $1 billion for Samsung infringing on Apple’s patents. The deluge of post-litigation press coverage both drove general attention to Samsung and suggested that Samsung devices were similar enough to iPhones to be an option for many consumers.
The second spike started the week of September 12, when Apple announced the new iPhone 5. Apple’s announcement was quickly followed by hundreds of stories comparing the two phones, most of which again suggested they were similarly capable. That combined with the slowdown in new Galaxy S3 growth seen leading up to Apple’s announcement (week-over-week new devices were the same as the previous week, resulting in 0% growth) suggest that many consumers were waiting to hear about the new iPhone before making a decision.
Note that the average week-over-week growth of 9% means that every week 9% more Galaxy S3 handsets were added than the week before. This also means that the growth effects are cumulative, so while the Samsung device’s weekly new device growth slowed some weeks, it is still adding handsets at a remarkable rate.
Beginning of Mobile OS Ambivalence?
A possible implication of this analysis is that a portion of smartphone users appear less tied to a particular operating system, instead comparing the full package of device, mobile network and available apps before choosing what to buy. This not only creates new opportunities for Android device manufacturers but also new Windows 8 devices.
For app developers, this underscores the importance of having a presence on the top two or three platforms for your market. Market research and your app analytics will help you identify the more valuable platforms for your business by comparing the lifetime value (LTV) of your user base. In-app messaging and app marketing automation then helps drive user engagement and in-app conversions.
Methodology
Localytics provides app analytics and marketing products to the largest publishers of Apple iOS and Android apps, and now supports over 350 million iPhone, iPad, Android, BlackBerry, Windows devices for its customers. For this research, Localytics studied the number of new Samsung Galaxy S III handsets seen by apps using Localytics from July 31 to October 1, and computed the week-over-week, global growth in total new devices.
Yesterday Samsung added the iPhone 5 to its patent lawsuit against Apple and other manufacturers. This comes after Apple was awarded $1 billion for Samsung’s infringements. But sales of Samsung’s flagship Galaxy S III haven’t been hurt and appear to have been helped by the news. The powerhouse Android device saw average growth of 9% in new devices each week since August 1st, with huge spikes in Galaxy S III adoption occurring after the Apple lawsuit verdict and after the iPhone 5 announcement.
The first spike in weekly growth coincides with the same week that a jury awarded Apple $1 billion for Samsung infringing on Apple’s patents. The deluge of post-litigation press coverage both drove general attention to Samsung and suggested that Samsung devices were similar enough to iPhones to be an option for many consumers.
The second spike started the week of September 12, when Apple announced the new iPhone 5. Apple’s announcement was quickly followed by hundreds of stories comparing the two phones, most of which again suggested they were similarly capable. That combined with the slowdown in new Galaxy S3 growth seen leading up to Apple’s announcement (week-over-week new devices were the same as the previous week, resulting in 0% growth) suggest that many consumers were waiting to hear about the new iPhone before making a decision.
Note that the average week-over-week growth of 9% means that every week 9% more Galaxy S3 handsets were added than the week before. This also means that the growth effects are cumulative, so while the Samsung device’s weekly new device growth slowed some weeks, it is still adding handsets at a remarkable rate.
Beginning of Mobile OS Ambivalence?
A possible implication of this analysis is that a portion of smartphone users appear less tied to a particular operating system, instead comparing the full package of device, mobile network and available apps before choosing what to buy. This not only creates new opportunities for Android device manufacturers but also new Windows 8 devices.
For app developers, this underscores the importance of having a presence on the top two or three platforms for your market. Market research and your app analytics will help you identify the more valuable platforms for your business by comparing the lifetime value (LTV) of your user base. In-app messaging and app marketing automation then helps drive user engagement and in-app conversions.
Methodology
Localytics provides app analytics and marketing products to the largest publishers of Apple iOS and Android apps, and now supports over 350 million iPhone, iPad, Android, BlackBerry, Windows devices for its customers. For this research, Localytics studied the number of new Samsung Galaxy S III handsets seen by apps using Localytics from July 31 to October 1, and computed the week-over-week, global growth in total new devices.
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What's this about $379 million?
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That's legit? :/
Hell I wonder how many nickels are actually in circulation.
Edit: Damn that troll is a year old and is popping up again. Funny read though.
Edit #2: BTW to answer my own question... $1.25 billion or 25 billion coins
Hell I wonder how many nickels are actually in circulation.
Edit: Damn that troll is a year old and is popping up again. Funny read though.
Edit #2: BTW to answer my own question... $1.25 billion or 25 billion coins