Thanks for the link. Truth be told, it's been years since I've read up on these laser units so maybe my info is out of date. I might even get one for current TLX to try it out if reviews are favorable.

 

I'm with you. Since I don't take my cars to the race tracks, I also wish that the Type-S would come with all the bells and whistles too, plus an even heavier dose of extra hp.

But we also have to look from Acura's perspective. Needless to say, the Type-R is marketed to be the ultimate track car from Honda, with emphasis on maximum performance. The Type-S is marketed to be a high (not ultimate) performance luxury vehicle. Therefore, even though the Type-S will never get the same Type-R treatment, Acura won't let all the bells and whistles to weight down the Type-S unnecessarily. The Type-S had to perform too, unlike the A-spec which is just about the look only.

Remember that the 3L-V6-turbo is already behind all those European competitors in terms of output hp. So all Acura can do is to mildly slim the Type-S down, in order to maintain a competitive edge, if any, over the European counterparts. A fully loaded Type-S will always perform worse than a weight lifted Type-S.

 

That's a lame excuse for a new platform. If they had so much trouble getting numbers with a 3l, why not use a 3.5l to think about future gains. Cutting corners from the beginning, forget about building on top of it.

 

^^^^^

This is the 1st iteration of a brand new Honda turbo-V6 engine. Honda is certainly not gonna crank out monstrous amount of hp right away.

History tells us that Honda will gradually add more output engine power in the future iterations, spreading out over the entire life cycle of the engine to amortize the hefty development cost.

 

But when has Acura ever done that? I’m not being sarcastic. Just don’t recall that ever happening before.

Also, they’re not going to amortize anything if the product doesn’t actually sell.

 

J30A1 (1997-2003) : 210hp
J30A4 (2003-2005) : 242hp
J30A5 (2006-2016) : 244hp

J35A1 : 210hp
J35A3 : 240hp
J35A5 : 265hp
J35A8 : 286hp

Above are just some examples of Honda V6 engines. Improvements in Honda Inline-4 engines are even more dramatic. Please look it up yourself.

In addition, if the Acura products don't sell, there is always the Honda products that can help amortization costs.

 

If that V6T makes it into Honda products, you can kiss Acura's Type-S goodbye. If they detune it for Honda, people will think it's good enough if they can save thousands if only missing 20-30 HP. Acura's trims really don't help either.

 

Jeez, those engine outputs are seriously embarrassing. And it took them from 1997 to 2016 to gain 34 hp? I guess the 2040 Type S will get close to 400 hp.

 

Technically it only took them from 1997-2006...they just decided to milk it for all its worth for the next 10 years.

 

The Canadian Type S also gets...
- remote engine starter
- power folding mirrors
- mirror mounted puddle lights
- rain sensing wiper
- front windshield wiper de-icer
- heated steering wheel

Better than the US, but still lacks the 360 camera and HUD. I can live without the HUD but that 360 camera is a must if you wanna save those 20" wheels from a curb.

 

[QUOTE=bilirubin;16618381]The Canadian Type S also gets...
- remote engine starter
- power folding mirrors
- mirror mounted puddle lights
- rain sensing wiper
- front windshield wiper de-icer
- heated steering wheel

Better than the US, but still lacks the 360 camera and HUD. I can live without the HUD but that 360 camera is a must if you wanna save those 20" wheels from a curb.

To be honest, I can live without HUD and the 3D cameras since I never had them in my previous cars. Sure, it would be nice to have them but if Acura was to ask $60K to get them that's a pass for me. More concerned about the performance and how Acura tuned this car. People are whining about these features but if this car doesn't perform it DOESN'T matter what Acura puts in these packages. This car better haul soma A$$....

 

While I agree performance is important, I suspect a good amount of potential owners are just looking for performance that's "good enough" but with some more luxury-oriented features at a lower price point than the competition. Case in point, the S4 is slower than its BMW and Mercedes counterpart, but the MMI system, virtual cockpit, Quattro, and interior is better. Given that the S4 is what Acura was benchmarking against, I get the feeling that they're taking the Audi approach of "good enough" performance, except they're also going with an interior/feature-set that's also just "good enough". Given that the interior and features are largely cribbed from the RDX, I think we have a good idea of what it will be like, and I can say without a doubt that it's going to fall short of well-equipped Audi and Mercedes. If we're lucky it might hold serve against the BMW. Of course, you do get more than what you would get from comparably priced versions of those cars, so yeah, there's value to be had, but at the end of day that's what this car will be: a good "bang-for-the-buck" car, but not class-leading in any category other than exterior size and cost of ownership.

And that's the disappointing part. Ikeda kept talking up the performance and how Acura is back, but so far, I haven't seen anything to suggest that to be the case. Yeah yeah, we won't know anything until people start driving this car, but the initial signs aren't good, and knowing what Acura has been about in the past, it seems like this is going to be yet another "great-for-the-money-but-not-as-good-as-the-competition" type of car.

 

Seems like people are generally ok with the trims and pricing of the 2.0t.

And that Acura should have at least two trims for the type s. Right now it's missing some nice features that one would expect to be available for a $50k+ car. A tech trim and a platinum elite trim would have solved this issue I would imagine.

 

Unfortunately, we are talking about Honda/Acura which, for the last 2 decades, has given up cranking out big hp from its engines.

Gone are the glorious days with the Integra Type-R and the 2G TL-S/CL-S, which were proud to lead the vehicle class in output hp during that period.

All those, who are still looking for big hp from Honda/Acura, should now look elsewhere, unless they go for the $160k NSX. The European luxury brands all have some big hp alternatives that will satisfy the need for "hp over anything else".

 

By the time Honda products use the 3L-V6T, top-line Acura products would be using 3.5L-V6T or even 3L-V6T + hybrid drive.

Acura products always stay ahead of Honda products.

But technology sharing between the econo Honda products and the premium Acura products are inevitable, as demonstrated by Honda products using 3.5L-V6, LED headlights, torque-vectoring AWD, etc., that were once exclusive available only on Acura vehicles.

 

I don't think that's necessarily true. The TLX is offset by a couple of years behind the Accord, which meant that when the 10G Accord came it, it was arguably a superior product to the current TLX based on the 9G Accord. The new infotainment system is better, and there's more tech available (adaptive dampers, walk away auto lock, CarPlay/AA, etc). Another example: the ILX is (still) based on the old 9G Civic platform, and the current 10G Civic is also arguably better than that (better NVH, stiffer chassis, better tech, etc.) Acura has been an oddball because the tech tends to trickle UP from Honda, rather than tickle DOWN to Honda. Just look at the engine option: the Accord got the 2.0T before the RDX got it, and will have had the 2.0T for 3 years before the TLX gets it. The old 9G Accord got CarPlay and Android Auto back for the 2016 year, whereas the TLX didn't get it until 2018.

But don't just take it from me. I'm not the only one to notice this oddity:
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...rand-cant-yet/

 

If a buyer is unable to contemplate owning any brand other than Acura, and he/she is okay with the car mainly being an appliance, the 2.0T Platinum Elite is probably the way to go since it’s the only way to get all the best features. You’ll have to keep in mind at all times that you’ll never ever win a stoplight battle.

If you want an actual sports sedan and you don’t want to give up features that many far lesser cars have, I would steer clear of the Type S until Acura management comes to their senses.

 

It would be interesting to know how heavy the TLX 2.0T is. The accord 2.0T 10AT is a decently quick car and its acceleration figures are similar to a 330i. If anything, it may even have a bit of an advantage in terms of 1/4 mile trap speed.

330i 1/4 mile: 13.9@100mph
Accord 2.0t 1/4 mile: 13.9@104mph
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/

Those are pretty competitive figures and I'd imagine if the TLX 2.0T is similarly quick, it's going to be okay.

But ya if you are looking for something that is noticeably quicker, and still want all of those features, the TLX Type S would be disappointing. For me though, the main thing missing for the Canadian Type S is the HUD.

 

Canadian Type S is only missing HUD and 3D Cameras. I can live with that, especially if you can get it in mid 50's.... I'm sure they will add those options later on, possibly another trim level. Who knows why they have not done this to begin with....
Civic Type R was in demand for a long time and the discounts 2 years later are not that great. I think Type S will be in demand at the start given the low production volumes. The MILLION dollar question is how this thing performs and Acura knows a lot is riding on it. If the car does not live up to the hype it's DOA and will prolly put a final nail in the coffin for Acura sedans. Time will tell.

 

Don't count on it. Acura Canada offered the TLX A-Spec Elite with all the options only available on the Advance package in the US. From 2018-2020, the options were never available on the US A-Spec.

 

^Oops, I reread your post and you're in Canada. Never mind.

 

Haha we Canucks seem to be getting nice features.

I'm not sure if the TLX Type S can be compared to the Civic Type R in terms of markup/discount. Honda never had a Type R in North America, other than the Acura Integra Type R from 2 decades ago, The CTR at its launched had a very aggressive (low) MSRP at about $34k and it's well equipped. And even for a 2020, it's $37k with even more standard features, and it's still quite bit cheaper than others (Golf R 41k+, STI $37-$42k). It also does not suffer from prestige issue like an Acura does.

The Type R is easily the fastest compared to its peers (lap times, 1/4 mile trap speeds, braking distance, skidpad), while being the most driver focused. At the same time, it also has a comfortable ride like the Golf R, can handle track days in stock form, and has 25 cu.ft of cargo room. And that 6MT is a real gem. And as seen above, it just doesn't have much competition unlike the TLX (Golf R, STI, versus, C Class, 3 series, A4, Q50, G70, ATS, Stinger, IS, S60).

If you are a car enthusiast with a $40k budget to own only one car, it's hard to look past the Civic Type R - track days, grocery runs, family hauler, road trips, spirited driving in the twisties, moving large items (65" TV fitted in mine easily), etc. And it's also quite fuel efficient without AWD.

The Type S competes in a $15k higher price bracket and in a segment where prestige matters. On paper it doesn't seem to stand out, and at this point it's hard to see it matching performance figures from the established brands like the M340i.

 

Canadian website has now been updated with the 2021 TLX. Build & Price feature is now enabled. We can now see the prices!
https://www.acura.ca/tlx

 

Thanks man!

Love the CAD specs. The A-Spec is perfect. The wheels on the A-SPEC 255 40 R19. YES!

Does AWD standard in Canada?

 

The website has some minor glitches. but I built an A-SPEC and it's the same price as RDX- ASPEC. I find the prices are high. I do see they are giving you pretty much everything for $60 but still I find it a bit high.

 

With taxes, prices range from 53-63k, with a pretty high 3.99% lease. It'll be interesting to see how sales will be affected in the future since TLX no longer starts at 40k.

 

Yeah it is interesting how it comes to around the same price as an RDX A-Spec. You get more room on the RDX of course but on the TLX you most likely get better handling and very slight increase in speed hopefully based on what Jon Ikeda said. Its unfortunate that us Canadians don't get the customizable interior lighting. That is very unfortunate as the US gets it on all trims except base I believe. We just get red interior lighting for the A-Spec. It's nice to see that we get the puddle lights on the A-Spec however.

But going back to the price, at 3.99% APR for a 48 month lease, 0 down, you're looking at approx $819 CAD per month. That's a lot of interest you'll be paying. Curious to hear the incentives/discounts/explanations they give you when you mention that the prices are very close to the Germans or even their own RDX.

 

I agree. I find it expensive. I will be almost the same price as A4. Definitely much cheaper than C Class and 3 Series fully loaded.

Let's see...Iam not one of those to speculate before i see something. Let's hope the car is good

 

Also, Acura is just moving a level up. Starting price is more than before and on average a TLX would cost around $55K CAD taxes in.

 

The Cheapest TLX with zero options: $53,095.46 and $719.15. All taxes in.
The Most expensive TLX with all bells and whistles: $62,523.40 and $848.05. All taxes in.

 

I'm not sure why everyone is surprised in Canada it costs as much as the RDX, when in the US the prices are actually a few hundred higher than the RDX.

 

^ That's with zero rebates for the first couple of months. At the same time, Audi is currently offering 1.98% lease with 4k rebate to move old models out. Could be a way to save/negotiate.

 

Wow, so Type S most likely $850 on a 48 months lease taxes in. Might have to sit this out till the rebates kick in......

 

$850 is a lot...

Infiniti Q50 Red is $64K and $67K taxes in. Infiniti is giving $6500 incentives.
Lease is at $875 taxes in.

Infiniti has a very hard time to sell these...let's see what Acura is going to do.

 

Before taxes, the 2.0 Platinum Elite is $53,885. The Audi 4 comparably equipped is $55,835, the BMW 330 is $55,000 - 6,000. I'll tell you one thing - building an Acura on liine is far easier than using the BMW site (no freight amount even provided) and the Audi site.

In regards to weights, in KG

Acura TLX 2.0 - 2270
Audi 4 - 2180
BMW 330 - 2,165

So not the 400 lbs I have read here. The TLX will have more passenger and cargo volume to boot.

 

Couple things:
1) That's the GVWR, not curb weight
2) I don't recall anyone saying the TLX would be 400lb heavier than the Germans, just that it's 400lb heavier than the Accord. What I do recall is the numbers from Acura being posted, which pegs it at about 200lb heavier than the A4 and 330i.

 

Look at those wheels, wow! Horrible

 

TBH if they were an inch larger, I'd prefer them over the Tech wheels.

 

Not cheap by any means. But damn I thought the interior of my RDX Platinum Elite is nice. The TLX takes it to another level. The PE TLX is $51.5k though, that's about $4k less than the RDX PE.

A comparably equipped Audi A4 is $60k cad before tax.

 

Yes I know it was GVWR. All I could find to compare at this point. I stand corrected - it was regarding the Accord.