The RLX had both SHAWD and Sport Hybrid and it couldn't be saved!

Acura will do what it needs to do to survive! Folks who swear by SHAWD have to take the good (great handling) with the bad (poor fuel economy)! Which wins out in the end (hint: Dow dropped a thousand points yesterday)?

 

Many of us have admired Honda and Acura management through the years but sadly lately many of their decisions appear to be major mistakes. Among them, relying on chips from a limited number of suppliers so that they were the automobile manufacturer most affected by the supply chain issues and last to get their production back to normal, coming out with a refreshed TLX and providing the press with cars (Type S in particular) while at the same time retooling Marysville so that only one line manufactures TLX, Accord, and Integra and then deciding to limit TLX production to 600-700 units a month so that consumers cannot find any refreshed models (especially Type S) at dealers. They killed the MDX Hybrid after a few years and now try to market the ZDX (a GM product) and are forced to offer .9% interest rates and major dealer incentives three months after launch and still this vehicle is building up inventory at dealers. You could likely score a $15,000 discount (including the Federal $7,500 credit) easily on a ZDX right now knowing the marketing support they are providing.

Hindsight is always 20-20, however there have been too many mistakes to blame them all on bad luck or timing.

 

Nail on the head.
What Acura should've did at the very least, was debut the TLX with most of the Advance package features in the Type-S from the beginning with a 385hp figure at the least because of the 4k lbs curb weight.

I also believe Acura facelifted/refreshed the TLX too late. the TLX should've been refreshed in 2023 model year NOT 2024. Sure some people held out for the refresh since the initial TLX-S release, but most of us here and from what I see in other Acura communities via Instagram, Reddit, etc. pretty much showed me that most people who wanted a TLX-S had acquired one by middle-end of 2023.

So couple that with so few 2024 models being produced (from which I was told that Acura did to make up for producing so many TLX-S models in 2023.) Demand had died down, and it isn't there anymore.
Mind you most TLX-Ss are being traded into dealership inventories with barely 20k miles on them in the used market lol.

Love the TLX-S and love what it meant for Acura but Acura didn't do the rollout and post launch support for it the right even with the pandemic supply constraints back in 2021-2022.

Just let the TLX-S be a limited supply trim and discontinue it after 2025 is my opinion.

 

I know there is a lot of discussion here about TLX but we are forgetting that the sedan market is beyond horrible. Yes, the Germans are doing better as they have global market and they can afford to make constant changes and upgrades. I don't have all the data but look at the following 3 sedans:

Genesis G70 = -16% YTD
Genesis G80 = -30% YTD
Lexus IS = -12% YTD

Sedan demand is decreasing and Acura cannot afford to keep investing in TLX when the demand is not there. It's sad but supply and demand rule I am still surprised that Integra is beating the Germans by big margin. At least one good news!

 

The Acura brand car division can't survive by rebranding Honda cars, especially the FWD Civic models. The SH-AWD and turbo-V6 are what make an Acura an Acura.

 

Lexus seems to be doing a pretty decent good job barely changing the Toyota bones.

True luxury makes are doing well in the transition to 4-cylinder sedans. Perhaps make a more compelling 4-cylinder or mild hybrid and give up on the 6 cylinder that's nothing special? Just a thought!

 

In the grand scheme of things, its nothing special, but for a great handful of us Enthusiasts left we would like to still have a V6 option for an Acura Sedan. 4cyl hybrid would be nice for the TLX but Acura seems adamant on not doing any more hybrids and jumping straight into electric for the models in the near future. The ZDX would've made for a nice Hybrid SUV not fully electric. No one wants a fully electric acura yet and the sales and mass inventory of ZDXs proves that point lol

 

That strategy has changed! Honda and Toyota are conservative companies as we all know. They delayed this whole EV process as they were not sure. And of course, they were 100% right and you will see more Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus Hybrid rather than fully EV. This is one of the reasons, RDX current life cycle is extended for at least 12-18 months.

 

4cyl/ Hybrid TLX Type-S. Lol. All grannies 👵 will be buying them for their Aldi runs. No thanks.

 

Haha I'm with you on that! (Don't come for my Aldi runs I used to make Aldi runs in the Type-S when I first got it! hahaha)

I was thinking 4cyl Hybrid TLX for the Base, Tech, A-Spec, & Advance

Higher Output Turbo V6 for TLX-S models though.

That would've been cool (plus Acura managing the weight and keeping all the TLX models under 4k lbs lol)

 

I'll take a Aldi run pic tomorrow in mine 🤣.

However, if the TLX is truly for the graveyard then they may as well release the next design with 390hp at 3700lbs and give a 7yr power train warrantwarranty and do base, text etc at 325hp v6.

Oh, and add in the extra 2" of rear leg room to save sales from the RDX. That also doesn't help TLX sales.

 

Watch this from 8:00 Min to 8:37 (this 37 seconds will explain you lower sales volume).

 

Yeah, they're just not building them. I still think Acura has an opportunity on the way out to have a bang with a 2 year limited production 390hp TLX Type-S similar to how they did the NSX Type-S. Limit 300 and they would be sold within a day.

 

Frankly the type S should have been this all along or at least 390hp to make up for the weight of the car. Seeing that they are hardly producing any current type TLX-S models based on all the posts here there is pretty much no chance they are going to come out with this version. I would think if they could have produced it at sub 4k pounds they would have done it originally. It's even likely the power train couldn't handle the bump in HP without changes. Anyway they seem to be rushing to go all electric which has been a loss leader for pretty much every car maker not named Tesla.

 

More sales decline numbers to date. I guess all these vehicles and brands have missed the mark on design and build like the TLX.

 

Ouch! The sedan market is bleeding out.

 

Actually, yes. The G70 is too small in the back and not very practical. The A4 isn't that roomy either and getting long in the tooth. The Q50...

So like the TLX not bad cars but also not very practical along with a middling identity.

 

The A4 has looked the same for over 20 years. That tooth is infected.
I don't follow the Q50 other than people say it's faster.

 

That worked for it and is what made it stand out, as some of the competitors were radically changing the designs over the years and the A4 just made minor tweaks so you knew what it was every time. Pros and cons to either approach, though.

 

Well I'm not the only one predicting the TLX's sunset.... https://www.thedrive.com/news/acura-...te-2025-report

 

Oh well. Great car. Satisfied with my purchase. My Type-S still gets compliments like the 1st day I put it on the road over 3 years ago.

 

Sad! But look at a bunch of sedans are disappearing TLX won't be the first of last one.

 

Looks like the future of sports sedans is German. The ES still moves about 40K units a year, so that's going to stick around. The IS, who knows; the 3rd gen has been around for over a decade.

 

yeah, they do, because they look amazing... on the outisde, compared to m340 for example its heavier, slower, less reliable, no tunes for type-s, worse mpg, next to no mods compared to bimmers, no wonder they are sacking the platform

 

Yeah, I don't care about any of that. That's YouTube reviewer jargon. Congrats to anyone that owns a M340i that has ok looks, boring interior and can go faster in a straight line. Also, the majority of vehicle owners "never" modify their vehicle. So I guess we can go with your youtube reviewer regurgitation and say it's not a good vehicle .

 

it’s faster in a straight line AND on the track AND stops better, all while having a less jerky and more reliable transmission with better mpg

 

Im with GhostTL09 on this one, as someone who test drove the M340i BEFORE purchasing my Type-S. I still chose the Type-S one because I always had Acuras and was nervous deep down about stepping into another brand, but my main concern at the time was that the M340i didn't exude a commanding exterior design like the TLX-S did so yes I had a BLAST test driving the M340i but it still looked like a regular 3 series on the outside except for some subtle changes that only an enthusiast would differentiate to be a M340i instead of a regular 330i.

At that time I admit I was after a car that caught everyone's attention and at the price point, Acura had that car. Thus here I am with a Bright Red TLX Type-S.

Now I matured (somewhat haha) and my next car needs to look good but also be a blisteringly quick 4 door sedan and I have 2 cars in mind that fit the bill for me.

 

To be fair, my prior A-Spec had 90% of the looks of your Type S and enjoyed similar comments.
Again, only an enthusiast would be able to quickly tell them apart!

 

Acura TLX Could End Production in Late 2025: Report

 

Did you not see post #1060?

 

Fair point but at that time I had a 2019 TLX A-Spec AWD, no way was I going to trade into another A-Spec. Type-S was my only option with Acura

 

Lots of signs point to a release of a 40th anniversary Acura Legend. TLX cancellation after 2025 further makes sense if this is the plan, I don't think there is space for an Integra and TLX and Legend in Acura's 2026 lineup.

 

With the current sedan market, there is very little room for TLX and Integra! It makes sense if TLX gets chopped and Acura focuses on Integra only! TLX will be replaced by some EVs.

It will be difficult for Japanese and Korean to compete. Germans were successful and will remain successful....they have the money and global market. Fair!

 

no it wont be, nissan dropped the ball even before honda, japan is pretty much just toyota/lexus domination atm and koreans are doing great, new genesis/hyundai are awesome cars, maybe we will get chinese BYD in US as well... and yeah, germans will keep dominating for foreseeable future

 

FWIW, although Acura is floundering in the sedan market, Honda in 2023 the Accord and Civic outsold the Explorer and Highlander. Honda sedans are still producing good numbers but the future like most automakers is with crossovers. CR-V sells just under the Civic and Accord sales combined. Camry sales are also still very good. Two Teslas in the top 15. Honda is also moving more toward majority of hybrids in future, IMO a efficient hybrid drivetrain would better for Acura than going al in on BEV's for new models.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g4...ing-cars-2023/

 

They would need to move the Integra upscale starting with real materials. The TLX interior is fitting for its price the Integra is to Civic for my taste. Also a return to Legend would make sense, something in line with the Precision Concept which means they would likely do away with letters for names for sedan but EV only Legend would have an uphill battle performance hybrid to go along with EV would be smart move IMHO. Acura seems to drifting away again like a sailboat with a broken rudder not even sure they have a plan for their model naming going into the EV era IMO they ahould just add an E to the end of everything and leave past models alone. I also dont like that Ikeda is no longer at top we was good for Acura doesnt even seem like they replaced him with anyone just Honda VP making news for both brands these days.....

 

I did not know that. Where did you get this news? Ikeda is great so what's his role now?

 

He went from being the Acura GM to "Chief Brand Officer" (IMO a BS title), and is now VP of Honda Racing Corp USA. In Japanese parlance, it would appear that Honda is trying to push him into the madogiwazoku. I like what he did to revitalize the brand, but I was not a fan of his work on the marketing side of the house. But perhaps once the reigns were taken away from him, there was nothing else he could do but play cheerleader and oversell.

 

Ikeda is the lead of HRC , this has been several months now. Hopefully he wont forget the everday drivers and push for performance tied to racing to filter down to Honda and Acura vehicles.

 

Welp one less competitor and many of us have been talking about the demise of the Genesis G70 and now it's official that it won't be continuing on in any form:
​​​​https://thekoreancarblog.com/2024/09...nt-nor-hybrid/