Navtool 5.0 - Does it actually work with control knob?
11-01-2018, 08:57 PM
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Navtool 5.0 - Does it actually work with control knob?
Hey guys I had a question. I am on the fence between a 2015 Acura TLX SH-AWD Advance and a 2017 Audi A4 Premium after my 2004 Acura TL transmission died with 243,000 miles (it had a good run). I want Android Auto, and it is standard on the Audi (just no touchscreen, everything is controlled through the infotainment knob) and wanted to know if the navtool setup allows you to use the steering wheel controls at all, or at least the talk button to summon google voice on the TLX, or if i'd be stuck shouting "ok google" to get my phone to respond instead of through the car audio system. I'm leaning towards the TLX due to ventilated seats and remote start, but i use google maps all the time, and rarely used my TL navigation. If i went with the Audio A4, i wouldn't have ventilated seats, but I can get remote start installed and android auto is standard (and gas mileage is better on A4 and the car is a bit quicker than the TLX). I saw there was a new video on youtube with Navtool 5.0 installed on an Acura MDX which showed Android Auto is now able to be controlled with the big circular dial/knob.....are previous versions controlled this way also? Sorry for the lengthy post, but I need to figure out if Navtools is worth the hassle. It looks like they may have updated it to work with the infotainment knob, and if so, then at least it's on par with how the Audi has it set up since the audi does nto have a touch screen and uses the infotainment knob to control Android Auto menus. Anyone try Navtool 5.0 yet? All I found was the youtube MDX video showing it in action, and so far i know know many people have had a good experience buying or getting support from Navtool. Thanks in advance for any help!
11-16-2018, 10:20 AM
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Hey guys I had a question. I am on the fence between a 2015 Acura TLX SH-AWD Advance and a 2017 Audi A4 Premium after my 2004 Acura TL transmission died with 243,000 miles (it had a good run). I want Android Auto, and it is standard on the Audi (just no touchscreen, everything is controlled through the infotainment knob) and wanted to know if the navtool setup allows you to use the steering wheel controls at all, or at least the talk button to summon google voice on the TLX, or if i'd be stuck shouting "ok google" to get my phone to respond instead of through the car audio system. I'm leaning towards the TLX due to ventilated seats and remote start, but i use google maps all the time, and rarely used my TL navigation. If i went with the Audio A4, i wouldn't have ventilated seats, but I can get remote start installed and android auto is standard (and gas mileage is better on A4 and the car is a bit quicker than the TLX). I saw there was a new video on youtube with Navtool 5.0 installed on an Acura MDX which showed Android Auto is now able to be controlled with the big circular dial/knob.....are previous versions controlled this way also? Sorry for the lengthy post, but I need to figure out if Navtools is worth the hassle. It looks like they may have updated it to work with the infotainment knob, and if so, then at least it's on par with how the Audi has it set up since the audi does nto have a touch screen and uses the infotainment knob to control Android Auto menus. Anyone try Navtool 5.0 yet? All I found was the youtube MDX video showing it in action, and so far i know know many people have had a good experience buying or getting support from Navtool. Thanks in advance for any help!
11-17-2018, 06:33 PM
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their site shows 4.0 for the tlx, but i saw on youtube video of them demonstrating 5.0 on an mdx so i messaged them on their website and they said 5.0 is available for the tlx....granted, i'm taking that with a grain of salt based on what i've read on this site from other members that had attempted the group buy a while back for 3.0 when it first came out. not sure i can trust the one or two guys that run navtool and claim they are a huge company....i'm thinking it's like 5 guys or something which would make sense why it takes so long for them to ship stuff out...maybe they make each one only after an order comes in
11-19-2018, 07:39 AM
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their site shows 4.0 for the tlx, but i saw on youtube video of them demonstrating 5.0 on an mdx so i messaged them on their website and they said 5.0 is available for the tlx....granted, i'm taking that with a grain of salt based on what i've read on this site from other members that had attempted the group buy a while back for 3.0 when it first came out. not sure i can trust the one or two guys that run navtool and claim they are a huge company....i'm thinking it's like 5 guys or something which would make sense why it takes so long for them to ship stuff out...maybe they make each one only after an order comes in
Probably like you said.. They probably only made once an order placed.
11-21-2018, 10:55 PM
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11-22-2018, 01:45 PM
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Seriously considering this as an option again. Not comfortable installing myself, so just need to find some place to install for me.
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11-23-2018, 03:44 PM
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Did you get the navtool 5.0 yet for your acura? i may order today or monday if you can confirm you got it and that it's version 5.0 (maybe post a screenshot of your unit to confirm). thanks!
11-26-2018, 07:28 AM
#9
I'm not sure how to tell it's 5.0 or not cuz the hardware itself didn't label it. However, if they meant by firmware then yes. There's are two firmware - 5932 and 6012.. I tried both firmware and screen still black. I contacted NavTool they said new firmware will released sometime today 11/26/2018. Once I get everything running, I will do video.
11-26-2018, 07:31 AM
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https://acurazine.com/forums/5g-tlx-...nstall-947563/
Last edited by know610; 11-26-2018 at 07:35 AM.
11-26-2018, 11:01 AM
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Installation was very easy. I never did myself either and this was the first DIY. I did for Navik in my TLX sometime this year. I use this guide.
https://acurazine.com/forums/5g-tlx-...nstall-947563/
https://acurazine.com/forums/5g-tlx-...nstall-947563/
11-26-2018, 11:22 AM
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Side note: The YouTube NavTool unit posted for TLX, was totally different from what II received,even the wiring (cable). On Youtube, the unit had microsd port, opt port, usb port, and hdmi port. The one I had do not have optical port. They said it's for different car.
The wiring, on youtube, they have this small connector but mine dont have it. It seem they update wire by soldering together (less plugging, i guess). There's no way to tell if it 5.0 or not. Just go by what they say. They said it's the interface that are different from previous version. 5.0 came out Jan 2018 per NavTool.
Last edited by know610; 11-26-2018 at 11:25 AM.
11-26-2018, 11:40 AM
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Navik is not carplay, just mirroring. Still is a good unit. I removed Navik and install NavTool. I might use Navik in my wife's car
Side note: The YouTube NavTool unit posted for TLX, was totally different from what II received,even the wiring (cable). On Youtube, the unit had microsd port, opt port, usb port, and hdmi port. The one I had do not have optical port. They said it's for different car.
The wiring, on youtube, they have this small connector but mine dont have it. It seem they update wire by soldering together (less plugging, i guess). There's no way to tell if it 5.0 or not. Just go by what they say. They said it's the interface that are different from previous version. 5.0 came out Jan 2018 per NavTool.
Side note: The YouTube NavTool unit posted for TLX, was totally different from what II received,even the wiring (cable). On Youtube, the unit had microsd port, opt port, usb port, and hdmi port. The one I had do not have optical port. They said it's for different car.
The wiring, on youtube, they have this small connector but mine dont have it. It seem they update wire by soldering together (less plugging, i guess). There's no way to tell if it 5.0 or not. Just go by what they say. They said it's the interface that are different from previous version. 5.0 came out Jan 2018 per NavTool.
11-26-2018, 11:45 AM
#14
No wire splicing, all plug&play. Not work yet. NavTool said it's firmware issue and will release new firmware sometime today.
11-26-2018, 11:58 AM
#15
Oh, you need to buy "2 RCA Male to 2 RCA Male Audio Cable",
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uioqzprwb...XQRnyqM9a?dl=0
Last edited by know610; 11-26-2018 at 12:05 PM.
11-26-2018, 12:02 PM
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cool thanks, i may take the plunge and order today if everything goes good with my TLX test drive today. keep my posted if you get your unit working, as i would like to see a video of it and how it works!
11-27-2018, 12:14 PM
#17
New firmware will be midnight in their server. I'm not sure y would they released midnight when everyone asleep. just make no sense.
Thanks.
11-27-2018, 08:20 PM
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11-27-2018, 10:05 PM
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11-28-2018, 07:04 AM
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Awesome, i ordered mine last night so hoping to get confirmation tomorrow if it will ship soon. i'm going to be using it with Android Auto so it's good the knob control works so i can go back and forth between the map and music pretty quickly. Once i get mine, i may make a video showing my complete installation process as there aren't many out there!
1) when backup and put back to drive, screen flicker. Shut off car and start again then everything work fine.
2) When 1st time start the car, HDMI and CarPlay produce no sound. I had to shut off car then start car again then there's sound.
3) Power cable they came is a little short. It did not reach to car floor.
Most important I see is #1 and #2. If that isn't fix, I will return it back. I don't want a $500 investment turn to couple thousand repair because car had to shut off/on for it works.
Unless I got a defective unit. Like we all know, not all board are created equal. So I can understand.
and willing to do an exchange. Overall, it's very good product.
Last edited by know610; 11-28-2018 at 07:09 AM.
11-28-2018, 07:13 AM
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I'm thinking of doing complete installation process this weekend too but I just noticed I have contractor come to take down my huge tree. If weather permit, maybe Sunday or next wkend. Their NavTool youTube show only half of the tear down lol make it so easy but in reality u need to remove a LOT to access the rear radio
11-29-2018, 06:14 AM
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These are finding I found:
1) Basically I when I start the car, I need to wait for everything to load then my AppleTV work fine.
2) When plugged to iPhone it’s best to wait until CarPlay on iPhone screen show logo then everything fine.
3) The unit is a title buggy sometimes especially if u turn knob fast. If u do one at a time it’s okay.
4) While listening to CarPlay music (google music or Apple Music) and using navigation, music will stop whenever navigation give guidance then it resume music afterward.
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chat with NavTool, they said it’s best to run “USB to microUSB” cable inside car so I don’t need to unplug the unit and take inside home for future update. Just run the cable and bring laptop connected to cable and update.
1) Basically I when I start the car, I need to wait for everything to load then my AppleTV work fine.
2) When plugged to iPhone it’s best to wait until CarPlay on iPhone screen show logo then everything fine.
3) The unit is a title buggy sometimes especially if u turn knob fast. If u do one at a time it’s okay.
4) While listening to CarPlay music (google music or Apple Music) and using navigation, music will stop whenever navigation give guidance then it resume music afterward.
———
chat with NavTool, they said it’s best to run “USB to microUSB” cable inside car so I don’t need to unplug the unit and take inside home for future update. Just run the cable and bring laptop connected to cable and update.
Last edited by know610; 11-29-2018 at 06:20 AM.
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11-29-2018, 10:35 AM
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These are finding I found:
1) Basically I when I start the car, I need to wait for everything to load then my AppleTV work fine.
2) When plugged to iPhone it’s best to wait until CarPlay on iPhone screen show logo then everything fine.
3) The unit is a title buggy sometimes especially if u turn knob fast. If u do one at a time it’s okay.
4) While listening to CarPlay music (google music or Apple Music) and using navigation, music will stop whenever navigation give guidance then it resume music afterward.
———
chat with NavTool, they said it’s best to run “USB to microUSB” cable inside car so I don’t need to unplug the unit and take inside home for future update. Just run the cable and bring laptop connected to cable and update.
1) Basically I when I start the car, I need to wait for everything to load then my AppleTV work fine.
2) When plugged to iPhone it’s best to wait until CarPlay on iPhone screen show logo then everything fine.
3) The unit is a title buggy sometimes especially if u turn knob fast. If u do one at a time it’s okay.
4) While listening to CarPlay music (google music or Apple Music) and using navigation, music will stop whenever navigation give guidance then it resume music afterward.
———
chat with NavTool, they said it’s best to run “USB to microUSB” cable inside car so I don’t need to unplug the unit and take inside home for future update. Just run the cable and bring laptop connected to cable and update.
11-30-2018, 08:28 AM
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https://acurazine.com/forums/fifth-g.../#post16340842i just installed mine last weekend (see post for pics)
Siri or Ok google will work with voice. The steering wheel button or other button like the phone button cannot initiate voice assistants (I was sad when I saw this too). The Siri eyes button on the steering can send the phone in Siri mode but it terminates in less than 2 secs.
Also during calls, I find that people on the other side of the call cannot hear me clearly enough through the microphone Navtool provided so I route my call through Bluetooth.
overall I’m quite happy with the installation as it’s very fast/responsive and useful!
The work needed for installation is quite a task. It’s not a slam dunk. I had to elongate wires to make the system reach the car floor.
Siri or Ok google will work with voice. The steering wheel button or other button like the phone button cannot initiate voice assistants (I was sad when I saw this too). The Siri eyes button on the steering can send the phone in Siri mode but it terminates in less than 2 secs.
Also during calls, I find that people on the other side of the call cannot hear me clearly enough through the microphone Navtool provided so I route my call through Bluetooth.
overall I’m quite happy with the installation as it’s very fast/responsive and useful!
The work needed for installation is quite a task. It’s not a slam dunk. I had to elongate wires to make the system reach the car floor.
11-30-2018, 10:12 AM
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https://acurazine.com/forums/fifth-g.../#post16340842i just installed mine last weekend (see post for pics)
Siri or Ok google will work with voice. The steering wheel button or other button like the phone button cannot initiate voice assistants (I was sad when I saw this too). The Siri eyes button on the steering can send the phone in Siri mode but it terminates in less than 2 secs.
Also during calls, I find that people on the other side of the call cannot hear me clearly enough through the microphone Navtool provided so I route my call through Bluetooth.
overall I’m quite happy with the installation as it’s very fast/responsive and useful!
The work needed for installation is quite a task. It’s not a slam dunk. I had to elongate wires to make the system reach the car floor.
Siri or Ok google will work with voice. The steering wheel button or other button like the phone button cannot initiate voice assistants (I was sad when I saw this too). The Siri eyes button on the steering can send the phone in Siri mode but it terminates in less than 2 secs.
Also during calls, I find that people on the other side of the call cannot hear me clearly enough through the microphone Navtool provided so I route my call through Bluetooth.
overall I’m quite happy with the installation as it’s very fast/responsive and useful!
The work needed for installation is quite a task. It’s not a slam dunk. I had to elongate wires to make the system reach the car floor.
Can you provide link to where you got "CarPlay/Android usb port"? See picture
11-30-2018, 10:19 AM
#26
that's actually a pretty helpful tip to run the usb to microusb cable inside the car. i may get a longer cable and route it and make a special mount in the armrest tray to make future updates easy. i just checked my order and it has a tracking number indicating it will be delivered monday, but i know i won't have time until at least the saturday december 8th to install it. it will give me time to plan the install and hopefully not forget to buy cables and anything else i need so i can start and finish in one day.
Last edited by know610; 11-30-2018 at 10:27 AM.
11-30-2018, 02:48 PM
#27
here is the link. I just plugged it the following's Data port.
^ this got plugged in the Navtool interface.
Then I used the following to feed power into the HDMI to lightening connector. This little adapter makes sure the the iPhone is able to negotiate the power delivery contact and start the charging.
this way all connectors and ports have power and can charge my iPhone.
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11-30-2018, 03:33 PM
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
here is the link. I just plugged it the following's Data port.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
^ this got plugged in the Navtool interface.
Then I used the following to feed power into the HDMI to lightening connector. This little adapter makes sure the the iPhone is able to negotiate the power delivery contact and start the charging.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
this way all connectors and ports have power and can charge my iPhone.
here is the link. I just plugged it the following's Data port.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
^ this got plugged in the Navtool interface.
Then I used the following to feed power into the HDMI to lightening connector. This little adapter makes sure the the iPhone is able to negotiate the power delivery contact and start the charging.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
this way all connectors and ports have power and can charge my iPhone.
Is your Navtool the same as my unit, see picture.
11-30-2018, 03:38 PM
#30
Ok I think I got you. You also want to charge your iPhone too while mirroring. Then in that case, I do not need all that item since I's using AppleTV and no plan to mirror cuz I connected HDMI port to AppleTV.
11-30-2018, 05:14 PM
#32
Yes that is true. One port supplies power to two things and since I will be using only one item at one time it made sense to use this schematic.
Yes my Navtool is exactly the same as yours and it's quite responsive.
I used like a 24 gauge wire to extend the black zip tied connector.
Yes my Navtool is exactly the same as yours and it's quite responsive.
I used like a 24 gauge wire to extend the black zip tied connector.
11-30-2018, 06:52 PM
#33
Yes that is true. One port supplies power to two things and since I will be using only one item at one time it made sense to use this schematic.
Yes my Navtool is exactly the same as yours and it's quite responsive.
I used like a 24 gauge wire to extend the black zip tied connector.
Yes my Navtool is exactly the same as yours and it's quite responsive.
I used like a 24 gauge wire to extend the black zip tied connector.
I have iPhone XS Max and iOS 12.1, I usually got disconnected from NavTool CarPlay. They said it’s an Apple bug and pointed me to Apple forum. Not sure if you experience that too?
Thanks for your reply.
11-30-2018, 09:33 PM
#35
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ok so my question is, if i plug in my android phone to the carplay/android auto port you installed that connects to navtool, does it charge the phone while connected or does it only connect the phone to navtool but does not charge it?
12-01-2018, 09:28 AM
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12-01-2018, 10:16 AM
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awesome, this makes it alot simpler. hopefully i'll be able to get this done next weekend if my unit comes in tuesday. i still may make an accessible port in the armrest or hide a cable somewhere in order to do future firmware updates to the navtool unit like know610 indicated so i don't have to pull apart my car in the future
