SSFTSX

C&D has tested 3.8 AWD Genesis. Performance/fuel economic identical to FWD RLX despite RLX with 6speed Auto. I presume lighter and 9speed auto TLX will be more comparable to Genesis V8.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...trac-sedan.pdf
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...ra-rlx-fwd.pdf

BEAR-AvHistory

Think the RLX was 500lbs lighter than the Genesis. What you need to find out is how much lighter the TLX is compared to the RLX since it looks like it will run a slightly detuned RLX engine.

KeithL

The problem with the new Genesis is they put on a ton of weight I believe the V8 loaded is like 4500lbs and the V8 with AWD is not far behind that.

SSFTSX

It is lack of advanced materials in Hyundai that lead to such weight as the wanted to get Top Safety Pick+ with noise reduction.

V6 TLX FWD is 3600lbs car. 10% lighter than RLX. add than 9speed auto and summer performance tires, most aerodynamic design. Car can be really quick.
6speed auto is like 10 year old tech for most manufacturers.

motegi

In my opinion the 2015 Genesis 3.8 RWD is really a competitor to the RLX PAWS and not the TLX. Just take a look at the vehicle dimensions and you will see how close that they are:

2014 RLX PAWS:
MSRP: $50,950 base w/ navi ($60,450 with driver assistance features, CMBS, ACC, LKAS, BSI)
engine: 3.5 liter V6, 310 hp/272 ft-lb
transmission: 6-spd automatic
fuel economy: 20/31 mpg
weight: 3933 lbs
length: 196.1 inches
wheelbase: 112.2 inches
width: 74.4 inches

2015 Genesis 3.8 RWD
MSRP: $38,000 base w/ navi ($45,500 with driver assistance features, auto braking, LKAS, ACC, blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert)
engine: 3.8 liter V6, 311 hp/293 ft-lb
transmission: 8-spd automatic
fuel economy: 18/29 mpg
weight: 4138 lbs
length: 196.5 inches
wheelbase: 118.5 inches
width: 74.4 inches

KeithL

True Hyundai is marketing the Genesis upstream toward A6, E-Class, 5 Series, but when the prices is that close to the TLX one could make the argument that for a tad more you are moving up segment in theory. A loaded AWD Genesis is just shy of $53K, lets assume a TLX SH-AWD Advance is going to flirt around $50K, very close.

REGGIEW

When are we expected to start seeing reviews or at least first drive articles on the TLX from reviewers???????

Since the car is being displayed all over the place, you'd think we would've seen at least a first drive review by now.

quantum7

It has to be pretty soon. My dealer told me yesterday "August" they would have TLX on the lot. Didn't give a date, but they also were sending out emails trying to hype the TLX and offering accessory discounts if you put down a deposit. Kinda hard to put down a deposit on a car that I haven't seen or driven yet.

hellopanda520

It is a great choice except for the price...

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

What's wrong with the price?

Rocketsfan

I've seen the V6 Genesis clocking in at over 7 seconds at 0-60. Is it just the added weight to blame?

Hugh9269

i think they did some changes with the engine in regard to more mid range torque and better mpg. I dont think the Genesis is chasing
A6 3.0T's anymore more like ES350 at a LS size, but it is strange since Lotus supposedly sprinkled some magical engineering dust on the thing.

Glashub

Also keep in mind Hyundai is notorious for lying about its mpg numbers. Makes me wonder what else they lie about.

Shogun36

All of those are great cars really. Personally, I really like the TLX and have a loyalty to Honda, so for me its a no-brainer but if I didnt have a preference, it would be a very difficult decision.

iutodd

_Further proof that the RLX is overpriced. The mid-size luxury segment is all over the map with pricing of their entry models but the RLX PAWS shouldn't be more expensive than any of the options IMO - and it is more expensive than a base A6 and base GS and just under a 528i. Looking at the pricing of the TLX, the RLX pricing makes even less sense IMO. Since dealers are having to mark them way down anyway why not just lower the base price to the mid $40s - adding SH-AWD to the $48K RLX is the same as lowering the base price $2K anyway. Might as well make it official. The RLX Tech Sport Hybrid, ideally, would have a price right around $56-57K with the Advance at $61-62K - when you look at the competition there is no other pricing that makes sense. At least that's my opinion.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Considering how loaded the base RLX is, there's room to remove some of the features, and thus lower the price to $40k or so.

These are some of the things that can be removed:
Forward Collision Warning (FCW)
Lane Departure Warning (LDW)
Multi-angle rearview camera
Power tilt and telescoping steering column
Power tilt/slide moonroof
HomeLink

Without the above, the car would still have 18" rims, LED headlights, heated seats, ELS audio, etc, etc.

Colin

Yeah, but I bet that it's something of a domino effect. IMO if they lower the MSRP, it affects resale values (already not that strong) and this affects residual values. If they were forced to drop the 36 month residual to 40% (or lower) than the lease payment would be the same as it is now. In other words, no gain to be had. They should have built this car in North America.

dysonlu

It's inevitable. Exchange rates and logistics costs (e.g. higher transportation cost due to higher fuel cost) are killing the competitiveness of cars made in Japan.

Hugh9269

I think they are only selling 200-300 per month and it doesnt share platforms with North America. Might be too expensive to make here.

The TLX was priced right and still made in Japan, so I dont no all the facts.

dysonlu

You mean the 2G TSX? Perhaps it was priced right but I think they also cut corners in order to sell at a profit. A friend has one and I wasn't been impressed with the interior quality compared to my 1G TSX, which was manufactured before the race to the bottom of currencies. Even he agrees the 1G TSX's quality seemed better.

Hugh9269

The 1st Gen TSX will always be the better car handling and drivetrain wise, I agree. The interior was pretty clean, simple and better materials. The 2G just had better features. The 2G was still a solid car and not a bad value.

I was talking about the RLX sales figures in the prior post.

MuGen7Modulo

You are right about the facts, TLX is not made in Japan. Come on now! That's an important piece of info you should know already.

dysonlu

When you were saying made in Japan, I thought you were referring to the TSX but wrote "TLX". TLX is not made in Japan.

Hugh9269

Sorry, i was mentioning the RLX, typo, i know the TLX is made in Ohio.

graphicguy

I live relatively close to that plant OH. I've been on a tour of that plant. It's impressive. I'd put it up against any other automotive plant anywhere else, for the workers (who all take an immense amount of pride in their work), the state of the art assembly and paint techniques, and the care in which they build their cars.