ILX discontinued.
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I’m at my Acura dealership right now; I should ask these guys if there’s any chance of it having a CTR motor, 8sp DCT and SH-AWD.
#243
I'd like to stay with Honda/Acura, but the TLX and Accord are just too big, and the Civic Si, while a great driver's car, is too bare bones. Hopefully, Honda will follow through on its statement that other Civic Type R variants are coming, including a more "GT" version. That might do the trick -- but so would a great ILX.
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Agreed. I've driven the new Civic Si twice, and it has a relatively cheap feel. That's not a criticism given the low price, but I also think there should be a market for luxury/performance variant that could take advantage of the outstanding platform. An ILX with the Accord's 2.0T and SH-AWD, for example, should be an S3 killer for about $36k. (They could also make a 1.5T/8DCT FWD base model, but its price might be too close to the top trim Touring Civics.) I know sales in the US might not be huge, but such a model could do well in China and Europe, where smaller cars are more popular. Plus, because it would use the Civic's platform and lots of preexisting hardware, the marginal development costs shouldn't be insanely high.
I'd like to stay with Honda/Acura, but the TLX and Accord are just too big, and the Civic Si, while a great driver's car, is too bare bones. Hopefully, Honda will follow through on its statement that other Civic Type R variants are coming, including a more "GT" version. That might do the trick -- but so would a great ILX.
I'd like to stay with Honda/Acura, but the TLX and Accord are just too big, and the Civic Si, while a great driver's car, is too bare bones. Hopefully, Honda will follow through on its statement that other Civic Type R variants are coming, including a more "GT" version. That might do the trick -- but so would a great ILX.
You do know that the TLX-L is a Chinese market long wheelbase car. They sell a lot of large cars in China. BUICK sells 80% of its cars in China. Audi sells more cars than BMW & MB combined, the Q5 series in China is their biggest seller in the world. MB's E-class sedan sales doubled in China, thanks to strong demand for the long-wheelbase version.
I think in the "luxury" car market the Chinese want big cars.
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There is a market for small cars but I don't believe there is a market for a very small luxury car.
You do know that the TLX-L is a Chinese market long wheelbase car. They sell a lot of large cars in China. BUICK sells 80% of its cars in China. Audi sells more cars than BMW & MB combined, the Q5 series in China is their biggest seller in the world. MB's E-class sedan sales doubled in China, thanks to strong demand for the long-wheelbase version.
I think in the "luxury" car market the Chinese want big cars.
You do know that the TLX-L is a Chinese market long wheelbase car. They sell a lot of large cars in China. BUICK sells 80% of its cars in China. Audi sells more cars than BMW & MB combined, the Q5 series in China is their biggest seller in the world. MB's E-class sedan sales doubled in China, thanks to strong demand for the long-wheelbase version.
I think in the "luxury" car market the Chinese want big cars.
#246
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They no longer sell the ILX in China, that thing is dead. CDX was intended to be it's direct replacement and it is by far Acura's best selling model in China.
#247
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ILX to grow into 3 Series/A4/C Class size, and the TLX to grow a few inches into 5 Series/A6/E Class size? Frankly, I'm rather surprised that Acura is bring back the ILX for another gen. If they don't want another stillborn product, this thing better deliver. CTR bones with SH-AWD is a good start.
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I was assuming this "new" ILX was just a grill refresh like the pic of all of the ASpec's from the auto show. Is this new ILX supposed to be a FMC update?
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ILX to grow into 3 Series/A4/C Class size, and the TLX to grow a few inches into 5 Series/A6/E Class size? Frankly, I'm rather surprised that Acura is bring back the ILX for another gen. If they don't want another stillborn product, this thing better deliver. CTR bones with SH-AWD is a good start.
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The heavy hitter in big luxury cars is the MB S Class with about 16,000 cars.
Think Acura should clean up its act & finally setting on what was a big winner for them. A mid priced car that could run with & out feature the 3/4 series with a lower price. The old saw "best bang for the buck".
Their attempt to go head to head with the Europeans with the 4G was a disaster of biblical proportions where the lost 50% of their customers in a single year. Eight years down the road & they have still not recovered the 50% they lost.
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#254
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Really don't see a $90,000 base RLX in the cards. The current RLX a 5 Series fighter is running 1,300 a year to 40,000 a year. They would need to ramp up to 9,000 cars a year to equal the 7 series. The best lower priced shot so far at the 7 is the Lexus LS series at about 4,000 cars.
The heavy hitter in big luxury cars is the MB S Class with about 16,000 cars.
Think Acura should clean up its act & finally setting on what was a big winner for them. A mid priced car that could run with & out feature the 3/4 series with a lower price. The old saw "best bang for the buck".
Their attempt to go head to head with the Europeans with the 4G was a disaster of biblical proportions where the lost 50% of their customers in a single year. Eight years down the road & they have still not recovered the 50% they lost.
The heavy hitter in big luxury cars is the MB S Class with about 16,000 cars.
Think Acura should clean up its act & finally setting on what was a big winner for them. A mid priced car that could run with & out feature the 3/4 series with a lower price. The old saw "best bang for the buck".
Their attempt to go head to head with the Europeans with the 4G was a disaster of biblical proportions where the lost 50% of their customers in a single year. Eight years down the road & they have still not recovered the 50% they lost.
Well that, and the 4G sucked. It was heavy. It's brakes cannot be pushed. It's engine had grown to 3.7L, yet barely hit 300hp, and that was only for the top end model. All others kept the 3.5L/280hp, which wasn't exactly keeping up with the Jones' when BMW decided to go turbo, as well as everyone else.
Simply put, the 4G lost everything that the 3G had going for it. There wasn't even a sport package available anymore.
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I still maintain the only reason that happened was because the majority of people couldn't stand the look of the 4G. It was hideous. Had they created another attractive design, like the 3G, they'd have kept that dough rolling in.
Well that, and the 4G sucked. It was heavy. It's brakes cannot be pushed. It's engine had grown to 3.7L, yet barely hit 300hp, and that was only for the top end model. All others kept the 3.5L/280hp, which wasn't exactly keeping up with the Jones' when BMW decided to go turbo, as well as everyone else.
Simply put, the 4G lost everything that the 3G had going for it. There wasn't even a sport package available anymore.
Well that, and the 4G sucked. It was heavy. It's brakes cannot be pushed. It's engine had grown to 3.7L, yet barely hit 300hp, and that was only for the top end model. All others kept the 3.5L/280hp, which wasn't exactly keeping up with the Jones' when BMW decided to go turbo, as well as everyone else.
Simply put, the 4G lost everything that the 3G had going for it. There wasn't even a sport package available anymore.
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Yes, but had the entire package been worthy of the price increase, I think it still would've sold well. But Acura failed on many fronts and ended up solely blaming it on the price increase. I'm sure the price increase pushed some customers away, but 50% of them? I doubt it.
Let's face it- it was heavy, it was ugly, and it's engine, while tried tested and true, wasn't wowing anyone, especially when the competition left the J series behind in the dust, as far as performance goes.
Part of why BMWs or MBs or Audis sell so well is because of their brand cache. Acura had that going for them with the 3G. At least it was a strong start and they couldve continued that in 2009, but Acura threw it all out the window with the 4G. Too bad, really.
Let's face it- it was heavy, it was ugly, and it's engine, while tried tested and true, wasn't wowing anyone, especially when the competition left the J series behind in the dust, as far as performance goes.
Part of why BMWs or MBs or Audis sell so well is because of their brand cache. Acura had that going for them with the 3G. At least it was a strong start and they couldve continued that in 2009, but Acura threw it all out the window with the 4G. Too bad, really.
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I still maintain the only reason that happened was because the majority of people couldn't stand the look of the 4G. It was hideous. Had they created another attractive design, like the 3G, they'd have kept that dough rolling in.
Well that, and the 4G sucked. It was heavy. It's brakes cannot be pushed. It's engine had grown to 3.7L, yet barely hit 300hp, and that was only for the top end model. All others kept the 3.5L/280hp, which wasn't exactly keeping up with the Jones' when BMW decided to go turbo, as well as everyone else.
Simply put, the 4G lost everything that the 3G had going for it. There wasn't even a sport package available anymore.
Well that, and the 4G sucked. It was heavy. It's brakes cannot be pushed. It's engine had grown to 3.7L, yet barely hit 300hp, and that was only for the top end model. All others kept the 3.5L/280hp, which wasn't exactly keeping up with the Jones' when BMW decided to go turbo, as well as everyone else.
Simply put, the 4G lost everything that the 3G had going for it. There wasn't even a sport package available anymore.
#258
The 3G was losing steam in last year or two but they really went off the rails with the 4G. Honda does not learn from their mistakes. That beak was apsolutely hated by the press and buying public. It took them almost a decade to get rid of it. So, what do they do next, make the same mistake with the new Accord. Big, bloated GMC Malibu inspired styling topoed off with a hideous beak version 2.0.
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The 3G was losing steam in last year or two but they really went off the rails with the 4G. Honda does not learn from their mistakes. That beak was apsolutely hated by the press and buying public. It took them almost a decade to get rid of it. So, what do they do next, make the same mistake with the new Accord. Big, bloated GMC Malibu inspired styling topoed off with a hideous beak version 2.0.
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We can now all stay informed about the new ILX coming soon.....
https://www.acura.com/future-vehicles
https://www.acura.com/future-vehicles
https://automobiles.honda.com/future-cars#hr-v
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I'm not surprised. The ILX hasn't sold well, it hasn't been reviewed well, and Consumer Reports found that the car buyers regretted buying the most was (you guessed it) the ILX. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say I would rather have a Civic Touring for the same price as a fully loaded ILX. The materials in the ILX are shockingly poor for a "premium" car, and it just plain feels cheap. Can't fault Acura from being hesitant about investing more money into a new generation of this car given how much equity the ILX nameplate has already lost.
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I wonder if this is Acura testing the waters. Give it a new precision cockpit interior and jazz up the outside with a nice A-Spec option, and see what kind of demand it generates. If sales are sufficient, maybe there will be a next gen ILX. Problem is, there's nothing luxurious about the ILX, so they'll need to upgrade it quite a bit if the want to differentiate it from the Civic.
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Half-a$$ solution will result in half-a$$ sales.
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Where do they plan on building this mystery car? Alliston and Indiana have converted to the new Civic. They cant just swing a batch of totally different cars through the weld and paint shops and down the assembly line among the current Civics? Those patent drawings are dated June 2017, so Im sure we would have seen a mule or something by now.
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Where do they plan on building this mystery car? Alliston and Indiana have converted to the new Civic. They cant just swing a batch of totally different cars through the weld and paint shops and down the assembly line among the current Civics? Those patent drawings are dated June 2017, so Im sure we would have seen a mule or something by now.
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Where do they plan on building this mystery car? Alliston and Indiana have converted to the new Civic. They cant just swing a batch of totally different cars through the weld and paint shops and down the assembly line among the current Civics? Those patent drawings are dated June 2017, so Im sure we would have seen a mule or something by now.
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Yeah the ILX reminds me when Cadillac made the Cimmaron back in the 80s. It wasn't viewed as a real Caddilac. Far removed from the luxury perception Caddilac always wanted to portray. The ILX is underpowered and uninspiring looking. You can get a Civic Touring with all the bells and whistles. It also looks better. Honda and Acura canabilize sometimes.
#271
It actually makes sense building next gen off the Civic platform. Stick that new infotainment, upgrade materials and call it a day. Sedans are not selling so investing in a separate platform will never pay off.
#272
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Ooof...IMO, no way. While I agree the ILX needs the new exterior (and interior) design language we're seeing in the new RDX, the current model is still far better looking than the new Civic.
The front-end on the new Civic is about the only thing that looks good. The side-profile and that rear end are hideous...again, IMO. To me it still looks like it came from the very roots that Hachigo coined and stated himself was a problem they needed to get rid of...."designed by committee".
The front-end on the new Civic is about the only thing that looks good. The side-profile and that rear end are hideous...again, IMO. To me it still looks like it came from the very roots that Hachigo coined and stated himself was a problem they needed to get rid of...."designed by committee".
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I'm going to have to agree with holografique on this one. I think the ILX looks much cleaner than the current Civic.
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She's no NSX, or a TLX A-spec, but definitely a helluva lot sexier than the Civic
(note: also not a huge fan of the 18" OEM rims, but it's a lease, and didn't want to bother spending the extra money, etc.)
(note: also not a huge fan of the 18" OEM rims, but it's a lease, and didn't want to bother spending the extra money, etc.)
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Thanks for sharing. A few observation:
1. Front looks sharper than TLX
2. Only outside has changed.
3. Nothing major for inside, except seats
4. Rear of the car is okay
I highly doubt if it will make any difference in sales. But I guess Acura is focusing on RDX and MDX for now. And they will bring the CDX soon Acura sedans are weak and we all have to admit it.
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How do you know about the CDX coming? I haven’t heard anything about it. I wouldn’t be surprised though, with the way the market is trending. It would fit perfectly in the Acura line up as an ILX successor.
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Front looks sharp but the rear looks like an old Kia...