Speed_Racer

I haven't leased a Benz or BMW to know the difference. Acura seems to offer more incentives for leasing, but I don't know if that qualifies as a subsidy. Last I checked they were doing upwards of $3k on certain TLX trim leases. I did see a relevant article recently on sub $400 leases for luxury cars. Check this out:

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...ases-under-400

Speed_Racer

Meh, that article isn't as relevant as I thought. Too much down required to get under the $400 per month mark. You should put down as little as possible when leasing to avoid losing it if you total your car early. A couple were $2500 down and the rest over $4000 down.

BEAR-AvHistory

There area lot of ways they subsidize leases. My effective rate was driven under 1% with multiple security deposits (MSD's). Unlike a down payment you get it all back at the end of the deal.

The MSD is a loan to the car company & they (pay) your interest by reducing the loans interest rate,

neil0311

This was 2 years ago, and it was an IS250 AWD. The insurance company totaled the car, did a comparative cost analysis, and paid me just under $16,000.

The car was in perfect shape, meticulously kept, but because it was purchased in New England and I live in the south now, they didn’t have many comps for AWDs. They actually looked at 2008 models and most were not AWD, and they still came up with that number.

When I checked KBB, Edmunds, and NADA at the time, it was a little lower on the book, but the adjustments for supply and demand were slightly different based on actual sales.

2007 IS250 AWD in Nov 2015 = $16K

WheelMcCoy

Yep, that's about the sum total. Actually, a couple of co-workers drive manual, one of their kids do, my wife and I drive stick, and my son is learning, so it's already more than what I was expecting!

It's just that Honda/Acura can make great manual transmissions, and yet, people are buying the broken the 9ZF. I want Acura to make a manual again just to showcase their talent, not really to sell... sort of like their new NSX.

BEAR-AvHistory

Be careful what you wish for.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...fix-their-cars

sinistah89

Well that sucks, I was thinking of getting rid of mine ...my V6 has 56k and its a 2015!!

OMGTLX

how were you able to get compensation for the issues?

miner

Lots are full of '18s and dealers still do not come down much on price and offer way under market for trade ins. MDXs on every corner.

justnspace

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I don't even see '15-'17 TLX's either, any more. you probably have the only red one in ALL of Houston. and we have 2.3 MILLION people here...with just as many cars on the road

okay, i lied..there's like two TLX's at my office building parking lot...but i guess that tells you something..it's so bland looking, that they blend in with all the rest of the cars

Flipster23

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We have over 3000 people between 5 buildings.

I have not seen 1 TLX in the parking lot.

kurtatx

We have like one for a 900 employee building

WheelMcCoy

DOH! They really have been described as among the best in the business regarding manual transmissions, keeping company with Mazda and Porsche. The one in the S2000 is particularly notable. Maybe this 3rd gear pop out happened to really aggressive drivers who speed shift.

justnspace

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^happens more frequently when shifting slow..
I suspect fluid issues. because we change out the fluid to A/C Delco Syncromesh modified friction fluid and no more 3rd gear pop out

BEAR-AvHistory

I expect you did notice that those TSB's were spread over 5 years all for the same issues

I think you are talking about shift quality when they are working correctly. My TL had a better shift feel than my 330 CI. That said the TL had worse clutch/drive by wire throttle integration. My ideal 6MT package back then would be the BMW clutch/throttle TL transmission.

But, very big BUT, the fact that they did shift very well did not prevent HONDA from getting sued & having to develop literally thousands of repair kits for them due to failures. A company does not get sued & develop repair kits when there is no problem or its a small problem.

Also can't imagine all those Accords/Acuras were being speed shifted since the throttle/clutch integration prevented it. The drive by wire has a delay in it & the clutch was slow engaging due to a restrictor valve in the master cylinder designed to save the transmission from harsh shift impacts.


Beside HONDA has a history of bad transmission reliability both Auto & Manual that they tried to hide & deny till they got hit with class action motions. Worse was the AT thing a few generations back when they paid compensation, extended warranties & replaced the 6AT.

Out side the TLX AT issues IIRC the 4G had bad torque converters. They did have fewer problems with the 6MT because they worked out the defects from the 3G/Accord series.

Bottom line is HONDA as a corporation has not done very well with transmissions either in house developed or purchased from vendors.

DohcIVTEC

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Haven't the Honda/Acura 4 cyl transmissions been pretty bulletproof? Just V6 trannys are the issue, correct?

2012wagon

Yes.

fiatlux

The 6spd in the 8th gen Civic Si has a 3rd gear grinding issue as well. From my experience, Honda makes great engines, but dear lord their transmissions are really hit or miss in terms of longevity. If you think the TLX ZF9 or Accord/TL 6speed issue is bad, take a look at the class action lawsuit from Odyssey owners, or Pilot 9AT problems.

iforyou

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My CTR has grinding issue when I shift from 1st to 2nd. It's completely random though. Apparently the FK2 CTR also has this issue and Honda doesn't have a fix yet. People say that changing the tranny fluid seems to work though but there's no real evidence.

BEAR-AvHistory

So far so good with the 8DCT.

Its just too bad they were so shortsighted that they did not build it robust enough to take the V6's torque output. 267 lb-ft is not exactly stump puller tough. Lot of turbo 4's in that range. I believe the whole 1st generation TLX took a big hit because of that decision. The V6 with an 8DTC would have eliminated most of the 9ZF complaints

Thought the 7DCT in my 335is was the best transmission I ever had, manual or auto. That said the 8ZF is now good enough its replacing the 7DCT in a number of performance cars. HONDA/ACURA's problem is with the sideways engine mounting there is no room for it.

The 9ZF was a kluge to get a large number of gear ratios into a small enough package for transaxle use with a FWD engine orientation.

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CheeseyPoofs McNut

Maybe. My DCT shifts fast and crisp and smooth when you're on the gas and accelerating - but the first couple shifts (1 -2 and 2 - 3) can be a little notchy when she's cold and you're puttering out of the driveway. I'll be interested to drive an 18 to see if it's any different. Maybe the next time I'm in for service I'll see if I can get one for a loaner.

rockstar143

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Doubtful!

BEAR-AvHistory

Yep, expect in Canada you would see that more. Manual gear boxes can be notchy till the oil heats up. Good news is a transitory thing that quickly goes away. I though HONDA's mini torque converted in the trans was supposed to eliminate that?

CheeseyPoofs McNut

It's minor - but it exists. At least on my 15. They have a couple TSB's out for it - I haven't had the most recent one applied so I can't speak to how effective it is.

DohcIVTEC

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it happens to my 17 as well. downshifts and upshifts are a little rough, but gets smooth later on.