Is Honda Cannibalizing Acura? (2016 Accord)
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Honda are geniuses of the tall gearing to make a heavy car with small engine not feel like a pig. I bet it drives very nicely. And if you're trying to "go fast", adam, I highly doubt a 4 cylinder anything is what you're looking for unless it's forcing air into it.
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The 7th/8th gen accords have generally been absolutely fugly as hell. The mid 8th gen update made it tolerable....
but yes I've been telling everyone I know that the 9th gen Accords...the new ones out for couple years now...are DROP DEAD GORGEOUS!
Honda has FINALLY did something right with the Accord since the beauty of the 6th gen
Personally the Acura lines doesn't do much for me...and I think a new Accord can definitely be a great car for the wifey and the occasional hubby car
Too bad about no 6MT in the V6 though that kinda sucks....
but yes I've been telling everyone I know that the 9th gen Accords...the new ones out for couple years now...are DROP DEAD GORGEOUS!
Honda has FINALLY did something right with the Accord since the beauty of the 6th gen
Personally the Acura lines doesn't do much for me...and I think a new Accord can definitely be a great car for the wifey and the occasional hubby car
Too bad about no 6MT in the V6 though that kinda sucks....
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2016 Accord Touring can be had for around $31000 before tax and fees, which is about the same price as a TLX I4 Tech. i'm glad not in market now for a new car cuz these 2 would be my choices and hell of a tough decision.
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V6, CarPlay, Heated Rear Seats, Regular Unleaded, better navigation maps, better stock wheels, and exhaust tips. Some might say the Accord Touring and I4 TLX aren't fair comparisons, but based only on price I would beg to differ.
As far as styling, in my opinion the Accord wins. I tried to like the TLX and I must admit that it is sexy from the front, but I can't get over the rear end. Seems a little too small, plain, and TSX-like.
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Looks will always be subjective but personally I think the TLX looks better. I like the more muscular curve to the rear haunches whereas the Accord runs a fairly straight line from front to back. You lose a little visibility in the rear of the TLX with the slightly more sloped rear but it gives it a more sporty look IMO. There's no question they share the Honda genes though. I think it's poor planning on the part of Honda to not offer more in the way of differentiation. I think they were gun shy after the 4G styling debacle.
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Even with the MMC, I think the TLX looks better. I do like the Touring wheels and exhaust tips on the Accord but I just can't get past that damn grill. At least with the TLX, it is not as pronounced.
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Saw a brand new black 16 Touring with the 5-spoke rims today on the way to work. Gorgeous car with great road presence. Honda is firing on all cylinders in terms of design, pricing and feature set.
Step it up Acura...
Step it up Acura...
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Looks will always be subjective but personally I think the TLX looks better. I like the more muscular curve to the rear haunches whereas the Accord runs a fairly straight line from front to back. You lose a little visibility in the rear of the TLX with the slightly more sloped rear but it gives it a more sporty look IMO. There's no question they share the Honda genes though. I think it's poor planning on the part of Honda to not offer more in the way of differentiation. I think they were gun shy after the 4G styling debacle.
Acura has lost the word "hot" from their design vocabulary (minus the new NSX).
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I don't even think that accord grill is all that bad. Plus, it's one of the easiest things to modify, whether through aftermarket pieces or dipping/wrapping/painting/etc. The shape isn't bad. There's just a lot of chrome.
In such a case, the grill would be the last thing from keeping me buying the Accord. I guess as always, looks are subjective...
In such a case, the grill would be the last thing from keeping me buying the Accord. I guess as always, looks are subjective...
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Same here. And at that price the Accord Touring would win for me due to the following reasons...
V6, CarPlay, Heated Rear Seats, Regular Unleaded, better navigation maps, better stock wheels, and exhaust tips. Some might say the Accord Touring and I4 TLX aren't fair comparisons, but based only on price I would beg to differ.
As far as styling, in my opinion the Accord wins. I tried to like the TLX and I must admit that it is sexy from the front, but I can't get over the rear end. Seems a little too small, plain, and TSX-like.
V6, CarPlay, Heated Rear Seats, Regular Unleaded, better navigation maps, better stock wheels, and exhaust tips. Some might say the Accord Touring and I4 TLX aren't fair comparisons, but based only on price I would beg to differ.
As far as styling, in my opinion the Accord wins. I tried to like the TLX and I must admit that it is sexy from the front, but I can't get over the rear end. Seems a little too small, plain, and TSX-like.
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Have you guys been to Honda service, its like life in the slums. Its dirty, busy, service guys typically new hires with very high churn rate. The service alone, kills the accord for me.
Been a very loyal acura customer but not very pleased with TLX, so if i were to buy anything else would probably be Lexus.
Been a very loyal acura customer but not very pleased with TLX, so if i were to buy anything else would probably be Lexus.
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Have you guys been to Honda service, its like life in the slums. Its dirty, busy, service guys typically new hires with very high churn rate. The service alone, kills the accord for me.
Been a very loyal acura customer but not very pleased with TLX, so if i were to buy anything else would probably be Lexus.
Been a very loyal acura customer but not very pleased with TLX, so if i were to buy anything else would probably be Lexus.
If they put Apple CarPlay in the Accord Sport Manual, I would seriously consider that as a next option. I love the wheels on the Sport and Touring Accord, along with the dual exhaust tips.
I am very hopeful for a significant change to the 2017 TLX....hopefully on Jan 1
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Have you guys been to Honda service, its like life in the slums. Its dirty, busy, service guys typically new hires with very high churn rate. The service alone, kills the accord for me.
Been a very loyal acura customer but not very pleased with TLX, so if i were to buy anything else would probably be Lexus.
Been a very loyal acura customer but not very pleased with TLX, so if i were to buy anything else would probably be Lexus.
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In the cases of Toyota/Lexus, Lexus definitely provide better service and dealership experience than Toyota in most cases.
For Acura, it is more like a hit or a miss. I think some of my local Honda dealerships are way better than Acura and some are not.
So you can say some Honda dealerships are just that good or you can say Acura's suck.
For Acura, it is more like a hit or a miss. I think some of my local Honda dealerships are way better than Acura and some are not.
So you can say some Honda dealerships are just that good or you can say Acura's suck.
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Agree, the Acura dealership I used in the Chicago area was great. I've since moved to Huntsville, Al and the same guy owns both the Honda and Acura dealerships and they are next door to each other. Not near the quality of service as I received in Chicago, and no loaner vehicles at all at either the Honda or Acura dealership. The Acura dealership experience is not a plus in this case. And they add tape pin stripes to all their cars and want to charge extra.
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MisterZDX (12-08-2015)
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A big chunk of dealerships earnings is from the "brand", rather than the customers directly.
A dealer can lose $ on every car they sold, but still can manage to be profitable.
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Well, the brand gives incentives for them to not be a piece of shit dealership...by having them move units. Moving units generally happens if they are good to the customers...hence good dealerships are good due to management.
I wasn't saying they were doing it altruistically!
I wasn't saying they were doing it altruistically!
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LOL...but it's done well and sold TONS to a demographic that probably feel they are too good to be caught dead in a Honda. Personally, after having a TL...I'd have a hard time being in an Accord. Had a 1997 one...been there, done that.
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Anyway it was a gamble and it paid off.
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Acura - 1986 (Legend launch launched first compared to the others and is the first japanese luxury brand)
Infiniti - 1989 (Q45 launch)
Lexus - 1989 (LS 400 launch)
So Acura was leading the way. Of course Toyota was already developing its LS 400 and had sunk huge money/time/personnel....and the subsequent growth is hugely successful as we see today.
The biggest difference is that the ORIGINAL luxury cars that Lexus and Infiniti rolled out were new RWD platforms...and the Legend was FWD.....interesting history to consider....
Also funniest tidbit here:
Toyota researchers visited the U.S. in May 1985 to conduct focus groups and market research on luxury consumers.[15] During that time, several F1 designers rented a home in Laguna Beach, California to observe the lifestyles and tastes of American upper class consumers.
Classic japanese way....hmmmm who are these upper class americans and what do they want???....
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On the original subject, here are the lease rates in Canada 36mo 36000 miles.
Accord Touring: $618CA
TLX V6 AWD: $621CA
The reason is that the residual is 56% for the Honda and 59%.
There are some equipment difference, but I think that I am going with Acura.
Accord Touring: $618CA
TLX V6 AWD: $621CA
The reason is that the residual is 56% for the Honda and 59%.
There are some equipment difference, but I think that I am going with Acura.
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is acura cannibalizing honda?