Is Honda Cannibalizing Acura? (2016 Accord)
#41
#42
we notice that the small TLX etc is being pushed harder than the top models. We also notice that when we bought the 1992 Legend back in 1992 Acura treated us like we were royalty. Anything the car needed they fixed without us having to mention. Then in 1998 when we replaced it with a 1995 Legend we noticed that we had to argue a little whether something was or was not in the warranty. Now with the RL we have to take it back twice often before the problem is resolved - especially if it costs Acura money. One of the most recent reports on service rated Acura down with Ford and Chevy*. Hardly where a premium company wants to be. Instead of dealing with those issues the RL turns into the RLX for more money and complexity (rear wheel steering for example.) Acura is on the wrong trajectory plain and simple in my opinion. A new TLX parked next to us last night. Nearby was a new Accord. Hard for me to justify spending $60,000 on a new Acura when it feels like to me the brand is being eroded out from me as an existing owner. Just my opinion.
* Honda was 8th and Acura 11th. http://www.newsday.com/classifieds/c...ota-1.10387053
* Honda was 8th and Acura 11th. http://www.newsday.com/classifieds/c...ota-1.10387053
Last edited by merlin the wrench; 11-19-2015 at 02:19 PM.
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holografique (11-19-2015)
#43
The additional year of warranty is not free, it's included in the higher price of the Acura brand. Historically not much has broken during the warranty period with either Honda or Acura but that may no longer be the case. If someone bought the Honda they could put all the savings in the bank for any potential repairs for that additional year.
#44
^
what this guy said.
BMW offer "Free" 4 year maintenance? is it free? Hell No. They made you (me) pay for it and also made you thank them for it.
With Honda, just paid about $1000 and you will get another 3 or 4 or 5 years of extended warranty.
what this guy said.
BMW offer "Free" 4 year maintenance? is it free? Hell No. They made you (me) pay for it and also made you thank them for it.
With Honda, just paid about $1000 and you will get another 3 or 4 or 5 years of extended warranty.
#45
According to the information on another thread titled 2016 Acura TLX VS 2012 TL Crash Test, Honda made changes to try to improve the TLXs performance on the small overlap crash test, and the car actually did worse than last year. As a result, the 2016 TLX is no longer a Top Safety Pick +
#46
The additional year of warranty is not free, it's included in the higher price of the Acura brand. Historically not much has broken during the warranty period with either Honda or Acura but that may no longer be the case. If someone bought the Honda they could put all the savings in the bank for any potential repairs for that additional year.
#48
I would argue the Touring models of the Accord are the ones that don't make as much sense. My mom (who knows nothing about cars), was a lot more impressed with how the TLX felt to drive than the Accord Touring. She said the TLX felt 'safer' in higher speed cornering, and that it was a lot more refined.
By FAR the Accord Sport is the one that makes sense to buy of all Accords. If only they offered a couple little extra goodies on it.
By FAR the Accord Sport is the one that makes sense to buy of all Accords. If only they offered a couple little extra goodies on it.
#49
#50
The one area in which I would like to see Acura differentiate itself from Honda on a grander scale, is performance. Enough of the half-hearted AWD systems and motors and elevate their standing in the performance world. The DCT in the TLX was a nice addition. I would like to see a RWD car from them, or a true AWD system that isn't FWD-biased. Their V6 has been in the 250-300 HP range forever now, with even lower torque figures. Performance is what Honda doesn't have, at least with the Accord. Acura could take that torch and run with it, like they did back in 2001-03 with the CL Type-S. Tech is not enough to set Acura apart, as more and more of it becomes favorable in the consumer eye and is making it into all cars, due in no small part to federal mandates. I.e. backup cameras will soon be mandatory...no, a person driving a Chevy Spark doesn't [read: shouldnt] need that but it will supposedly be there.
Yes a focus on luxury is paramount for Acura to be above Honda, but so is performance and right now there just isn't a big enough difference there.
Yes a focus on luxury is paramount for Acura to be above Honda, but so is performance and right now there just isn't a big enough difference there.
For a very easy example just look at Lexus and Infiniti.
Both Toyota and Nissan have made quite a bit of desirable platforms to differentiate themselves from their baseline models:
Camry/Avalon --> ES/GS/LS (V6/V8 with RWD+AWD available and much different styling)
Maxima --> G35/37/Q50/70 (V6/V8 with RWD+AWD available and much different styling)
Accord --> TLX/RL (V6 with FWD-based AWD and some styling differences)
Halo car wise Honda is of course coming out with NSX 2.0
Toyota had launched its LFA and has the GS sport sedans and the Toyobaru BRZ-FRS86. Upcoming Supra successor in the works I presume.
Nissan of course has the Godzilla. Though I do wish they would make a limited run of GT-R powered sedan the Q50 Eau Rouge. Unfortunately will not see light of day.
There is much more big jump from the top two brands than Honda. And that I think is the weak point in Acura as you pointed out. And with baseline models getting more competitive in terms of more luxury/features/tech so as to have Honda stay competitive to Toyota/Nissan, it may be even harder to differentiate and separate yourself.
Thing is in the real world you are perceived & treated differently by what car people see you pull up in.
Same clothes nothing in personal appearance different but you would think I am 3 different people, 1996 Ranger, 2014 BMW 435 coupe, 1965 Cobra replica. Cobra carries a 1965 NC plate & can be easily mistaken for an $1,000,000+ original.
Test would be put a bag over someone's head & do a bunch of random swaps between an Accord & a TLX then have them fill out a survey. Ride 1, 2, etc.
Same clothes nothing in personal appearance different but you would think I am 3 different people, 1996 Ranger, 2014 BMW 435 coupe, 1965 Cobra replica. Cobra carries a 1965 NC plate & can be easily mistaken for an $1,000,000+ original.
Test would be put a bag over someone's head & do a bunch of random swaps between an Accord & a TLX then have them fill out a survey. Ride 1, 2, etc.
Though obviously one does not need to be like a extreme frugal and driving around in a total beater all day long...it is unfortunate that some are too quick to judge a book by its cover. Which in some cases may work to the detriment to the judger.
edit: another somewhat sad trend is you see guys getting out of their 3G TLs (or other TLs for that matter) and just look at the general car talk section or the TL sections...many guys are getting into luxury level RWD platforms or higher powered platforms with RWD and getting totally away from Acura! Can acura retain buyers?
Younger guys who could only afford, maybe, conjecturing here....3G/4G TLs are now wanting newer cars and if you look at the threads around here you see guys getting into: CTS-V/Charger/Mustang/WRX/Audi/Lexus/etc.etc.
Last edited by nist7; 11-20-2015 at 07:22 PM.
#51
i wish acura's design would differentiate a bit compares to hondas...
I hate it when people say that my tsx is an accord (which is true) but it sounds like they are saying why did you buy that car when you can get an accord... and I paid thousands more and i don't see why I bought an acura first place... but love my tsx still
I hate it when people say that my tsx is an accord (which is true) but it sounds like they are saying why did you buy that car when you can get an accord... and I paid thousands more and i don't see why I bought an acura first place... but love my tsx still
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#53
Now that I think about it, the Accord should only be offered in 3 trims, LX, Sport, and Touring. Or LX, EX, and Touring and make the Sport a Package and not a trim.
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#56
Believe the NSX will be way to much of a price jump to fill that need & will be a stand alone unit. I lived in the UK when the old NSX was being sold & it was badged as a HONDA. Was a hard sell, a red one sat unsold in the HONDA dealers window in Gerrards Cross where I lived for 3 years
#57
You nailed it. Extra goodies like push button start (I still can't believe this is not standard across all Honda trims), a sunroof, CarPlay and Android Auto. Honda would definitely have a sales winner with this, especially for the buyer who wants all the goodies without leather or a V-6. The Sport would be the way to go.
Now that I think about it, the Accord should only be offered in 3 trims, LX, Sport, and Touring. Or LX, EX, and Touring and make the Sport a Package and not a trim.
Now that I think about it, the Accord should only be offered in 3 trims, LX, Sport, and Touring. Or LX, EX, and Touring and make the Sport a Package and not a trim.
1) You want an inexpensive car that will be dependable and last for 10 years and hold a decent resale value - get the LX.
2) You're a 20 something and you want a car that looks a little more sporty - the Sport is a killer value and still very affordable.
3) If you want more tech and nicer options then you have to pony up some extra dough for the EX or EX-L.
4) You want the big dog and can afford even more $$ then the Touring is how you need to roll!
It's all about making you climb up the ladder.
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MisterZDX (11-21-2015)
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#61
The RL/RLX was never a viable solution for upward migration from the TL/TLX so most moved on as their buying power increased.
Believe the NSX will be way to much of a price jump to fill that need & will be a stand alone unit. I lived in the UK when the old NSX was being sold & it was badged as a HONDA. Was a hard sell, a red one sat unsold in the HONDA dealers window in Gerrards Cross where I lived for 3 years
Believe the NSX will be way to much of a price jump to fill that need & will be a stand alone unit. I lived in the UK when the old NSX was being sold & it was badged as a HONDA. Was a hard sell, a red one sat unsold in the HONDA dealers window in Gerrards Cross where I lived for 3 years
There's no really performance oriented luxury solutions that many on this forum are obviously looking for as I think this forum mainly is probably at least higher than medium middle class and definitely upper-middle class+
So when you are looking as you say for more car...there's just not much that Acura offers when you can buy a lot of car over at lexus/infiniti/audi/cadillac/etc.
I feel like many who stick with Acura are big fans of Honda/Acura in general.
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#63
Comments like this kill me:
"The one area in which I would like to see Acura differentiate itself from Honda on a grander scale, is performance. Enough of the half-hearted AWD systems and motors and elevate their standing in the performance world. The DCT in the TLX was a nice addition. I would like to see a RWD car from them, or a true AWD system that isn't FWD-biased."
Obviously written by someone who has never driven a SH-AWD vehicle hard or who missed the comparos where the TL AWD out-handled comparable RWD and "proper AWD" cars on road courses. Not to mention the stability Acura's AWD system provides in inclement weather.
"The one area in which I would like to see Acura differentiate itself from Honda on a grander scale, is performance. Enough of the half-hearted AWD systems and motors and elevate their standing in the performance world. The DCT in the TLX was a nice addition. I would like to see a RWD car from them, or a true AWD system that isn't FWD-biased."
Obviously written by someone who has never driven a SH-AWD vehicle hard or who missed the comparos where the TL AWD out-handled comparable RWD and "proper AWD" cars on road courses. Not to mention the stability Acura's AWD system provides in inclement weather.
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atl7 (11-21-2015)
#64
When were you there? I lived in Gerrards Cross (Morland drive) in the late 80's early 90's. Acura as a brand did not exist then. Sterling partnered with Honda and produced the UK version of what eventually became the TL. But it was a British car and did not have Honda/Acura's reliability. I drove one for a while but moved on to an under powered BMW. (Thanks to the UK tax laws on 2 liter engines.)
#66
Were I in charge at Acura, I'd have on offer a turbo 4, an NA V6, and a twin turbo V6 Type S on offer, all with SH-AWD only.
BTW, the nice thing about SH-AWD from FWD based platforms is that the differential hump doesn't take up any room up front like it does on RWD based platforms. That was one of the big reasons I avoided the Lexus IS350 AWD (offered ONLY in AWD in Canada too...) and my right calf kept hitting that stupid hump. It was a massive dealbreaker for me.
#68
Yup! A tiny one (for covering lag in the lower range) and a big one (for more power that spools up later). I know they're capable of it. I think Acura just needs to show people they CAN do it. Now that upper management has changed for the better, I think they'll be more willing to do more fun stuff.
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We can only hope...
until then, I can only be grateful that I still don't think my 12 year old car is an outdated piece of shit!
Hey, the earth...everything is cyclical, maybe you'd give a fresh perspective!
until then, I can only be grateful that I still don't think my 12 year old car is an outdated piece of shit!
Hey, the earth...everything is cyclical, maybe you'd give a fresh perspective!
#70
One only needs to take a look at the annual sales numbers to see the story. I'm not saying the TLX is a bad car, but the numbers speak for themselves:
3G TL sales numbers:
2004 77,895
2005 78,218
2006 71,348
2007 58,545
2008 46,766
TOTAL: 332,772 cars in 5 years.
Avg 66,554 cars/year for the 3G
4G TL sales numbers:
2009 33,620
2010 34,049
2011 31,237
2012 33,572
2013 24,318
2014 10,616
TOTAL: 167,412 cars in 6 years
Avg 27,902 cars/yr for the 4G.
Whopping ~50% decrease in sales since the 3G was left. (of course we all remember the economy crash of 2008/2009. of course remember the other auto makers were in the economy as well and most everyone took a hit but most are either stablizing or trending up and Acura has been slumping so far)
I'm sure Honda has done their share of firing/hirings at management meetings in 2013/2014/etc. Because the sales have fallen off a cliff for the past generation.
Now after some searches here are some comparable competitors to the TL and their sales numbers segmented by the same time frame as the 3G/4G TL time frame (04-08, 09-14)
Lexus ES (another V6 FWD luxury platform, the GS are quite a low volume seller compared to the ES)
2004 75,916
2005 67,577
2006 75,987
2007 82,867
2008 64,135
2009 48,485
2010 48,652
2011 40,873
2012 56,158
2013 72,581
2014 72,508
Lexus IS
2004 9972
2005 15,789
2006 54,267
2007 54,933
2008 49,432
2009 38,077
2010 34,129
2011 29,669
2012 27,708
2013 35,017
2014 51,358
As can be seen the Toyota is crushing it.
Also the IS numbers are very comparable too, selling quite a bit as well in those years.
Now let's move on to the other close competitor the offering from Nissan (Infini G series)
2004 71,177
2005 68,728
2006 60,741
2007 71,809
2008 64,181
2009 47,174
2010 58,143
2011 58,246
2012 59,844
2013 57,878
2014 15,590
Q50 sales:
2013 17,816
2014 36,899
Again some slump in the mid years as seen above but the numbers still crush the TL sales.
BMW 3-series are selling 90k-100k cars each year or so in those same year range. Sales are picking up with whopping 142k sold in 2014.
2004 106,549
2005 106,950
2006 120,180
2007 142,490
2008 112,464
2009 90,960
2010 100,910
2011 94,371
2012 99,602
2013 119,521
2014 142,232
C-Class are 50-80k annual each or so. Sales still strong coming in to the 2010s:
2004 69,251
2005 60,658
2006 50,187
2007 63,701
2008 72,471
2009 52,427
2010 58,785
2011 69,314
2012 81,697
2013 88,251
2014 75,065
Audi A4 fairly steady, not as high numbers but still strong in last 1-2 years:
2004 47,168
2005 48,922
2006 49,862
2007 45,411
2008 43,343
2009 37,070
2010 34,672
2011 35,234
2012 38,530
2013 42,130
2014 38,679
TLX just came out so it will take a while/few years to see how it really stacks up against the other guys.
All data taken from wiki pages and this site: Sales Stats - GOOD CAR BAD CAR
If someone has lots of time on hands maybe can make a graph/chart comparing the TL to other cars in its class.
3G TL sales numbers:
2004 77,895
2005 78,218
2006 71,348
2007 58,545
2008 46,766
TOTAL: 332,772 cars in 5 years.
Avg 66,554 cars/year for the 3G
4G TL sales numbers:
2009 33,620
2010 34,049
2011 31,237
2012 33,572
2013 24,318
2014 10,616
TOTAL: 167,412 cars in 6 years
Avg 27,902 cars/yr for the 4G.
Whopping ~50% decrease in sales since the 3G was left. (of course we all remember the economy crash of 2008/2009. of course remember the other auto makers were in the economy as well and most everyone took a hit but most are either stablizing or trending up and Acura has been slumping so far)
I'm sure Honda has done their share of firing/hirings at management meetings in 2013/2014/etc. Because the sales have fallen off a cliff for the past generation.
Now after some searches here are some comparable competitors to the TL and their sales numbers segmented by the same time frame as the 3G/4G TL time frame (04-08, 09-14)
Lexus ES (another V6 FWD luxury platform, the GS are quite a low volume seller compared to the ES)
2004 75,916
2005 67,577
2006 75,987
2007 82,867
2008 64,135
2009 48,485
2010 48,652
2011 40,873
2012 56,158
2013 72,581
2014 72,508
Lexus IS
2004 9972
2005 15,789
2006 54,267
2007 54,933
2008 49,432
2009 38,077
2010 34,129
2011 29,669
2012 27,708
2013 35,017
2014 51,358
As can be seen the Toyota is crushing it.
Also the IS numbers are very comparable too, selling quite a bit as well in those years.
Now let's move on to the other close competitor the offering from Nissan (Infini G series)
2004 71,177
2005 68,728
2006 60,741
2007 71,809
2008 64,181
2009 47,174
2010 58,143
2011 58,246
2012 59,844
2013 57,878
2014 15,590
Q50 sales:
2013 17,816
2014 36,899
Again some slump in the mid years as seen above but the numbers still crush the TL sales.
BMW 3-series are selling 90k-100k cars each year or so in those same year range. Sales are picking up with whopping 142k sold in 2014.
2004 106,549
2005 106,950
2006 120,180
2007 142,490
2008 112,464
2009 90,960
2010 100,910
2011 94,371
2012 99,602
2013 119,521
2014 142,232
C-Class are 50-80k annual each or so. Sales still strong coming in to the 2010s:
2004 69,251
2005 60,658
2006 50,187
2007 63,701
2008 72,471
2009 52,427
2010 58,785
2011 69,314
2012 81,697
2013 88,251
2014 75,065
Audi A4 fairly steady, not as high numbers but still strong in last 1-2 years:
2004 47,168
2005 48,922
2006 49,862
2007 45,411
2008 43,343
2009 37,070
2010 34,672
2011 35,234
2012 38,530
2013 42,130
2014 38,679
TLX just came out so it will take a while/few years to see how it really stacks up against the other guys.
All data taken from wiki pages and this site: Sales Stats - GOOD CAR BAD CAR
If someone has lots of time on hands maybe can make a graph/chart comparing the TL to other cars in its class.
Last edited by nist7; 11-21-2015 at 02:49 PM.
#71
through october over 40,000 tlx's have sold. better than any year of the 4g. they are moving in the right direction. now let's hope we get a tlx type-s or type-r.
Acura Sales 2015 | Acura Connected
Acura Sales 2015 | Acura Connected
#72
through october over 40,000 tlx's have sold. better than any year of the 4g. they are moving in the right direction. now let's hope we get a tlx type-s or type-r.
Acura Sales 2015 | Acura Connected
Acura Sales 2015 | Acura Connected
2014 19,127
2015 YTD 40,585
Source: Acura TLX Sales Figures - GOOD CAR BAD CAR
They may be able to reach 50k TLX this year which would be a much better number than before.
Well looks like they know what they're doing. Guess that's why none of us are in charge of Acura development/marketing/etc.
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skd2k1 (11-22-2015)
#74
Additionally, SUV sales have been crushing sedan sales for awhile now. Look how many Acura RDXs, MDXs, Lexus NXs, RXs, BMW X3s, etc that manufacturers are selling these days.
#76
One only needs to take a look at the annual sales numbers to see the story. I'm not saying the TLX is a bad car, but the numbers speak for themselves:
3G TL sales numbers:
2004 77,895
2005 78,218
2006 71,348
2007 58,545
2008 46,766
TOTAL: 332,772 cars in 5 years.
Avg 66,554 cars/year for the 3G
4G TL sales numbers:
2009 33,620
2010 34,049
2011 31,237
2012 33,572
2013 24,318
2014 10,616
TOTAL: 167,412 cars in 6 years
Avg 27,902 cars/yr for the 4G.
Whopping ~50% decrease in sales since the 3G was left. (of course we all remember the economy crash of 2008/2009. of course remember the other auto makers were in the economy as well and most everyone took a hit but most are either stablizing or trending up and Acura has been slumping so far)
I'm sure Honda has done their share of firing/hirings at management meetings in 2013/2014/etc. Because the sales have fallen off a cliff for the past generation.
3G TL sales numbers:
2004 77,895
2005 78,218
2006 71,348
2007 58,545
2008 46,766
TOTAL: 332,772 cars in 5 years.
Avg 66,554 cars/year for the 3G
4G TL sales numbers:
2009 33,620
2010 34,049
2011 31,237
2012 33,572
2013 24,318
2014 10,616
TOTAL: 167,412 cars in 6 years
Avg 27,902 cars/yr for the 4G.
Whopping ~50% decrease in sales since the 3G was left. (of course we all remember the economy crash of 2008/2009. of course remember the other auto makers were in the economy as well and most everyone took a hit but most are either stablizing or trending up and Acura has been slumping so far)
I'm sure Honda has done their share of firing/hirings at management meetings in 2013/2014/etc. Because the sales have fallen off a cliff for the past generation.
#77
Some of you are handing too much to the Accord. Yes the touring is a nice car, but it still looks and feels much cheaper than the TLX on the inside. It feels like what it is, a nice Honda and nothing more than that. The TLX feels luxurious on the inside as it should. And while some materials could be better, it's still really nice. There are a few pieces on the inside of the TLX that I wish weren't hard plastic but oh well.
The 2016 Accord Sport is a beautiful car that makes me wonder why Acura can't do the same for the TLX. Hell, even Honda makes an Accord "Type-S" or as they call the sport model, but their luxury division competitor can't offer that athleticism?
I think where Acura went wrong was getting owners used to a more premium mid-size sedan (3G and 4G) and then combining a lower end model (TSX) with the TL. The TSX didn't have a place in the Acura lineup so they should have just gotten rid of it and not lower the quality of the TL to make the TLX.
The 2014 TL was really behind in technology and it's obvious that's what Acura really focused on with the TLX. I think since they're all caught up in technology their next step with the TLX is to focus on the exterior (give a sportier option) and hopefully some performance upgrades. Acura's whole design campaign of looking greener and removing the exhaust tips is one of the dumbest things they have ever done, they still do a nice job of designing the back end though. I think a lot can agree that offering a sportier and faster TLX will satisfy most of our wishes?
The 2016 Accord Sport is a beautiful car that makes me wonder why Acura can't do the same for the TLX. Hell, even Honda makes an Accord "Type-S" or as they call the sport model, but their luxury division competitor can't offer that athleticism?
I think where Acura went wrong was getting owners used to a more premium mid-size sedan (3G and 4G) and then combining a lower end model (TSX) with the TL. The TSX didn't have a place in the Acura lineup so they should have just gotten rid of it and not lower the quality of the TL to make the TLX.
The 2014 TL was really behind in technology and it's obvious that's what Acura really focused on with the TLX. I think since they're all caught up in technology their next step with the TLX is to focus on the exterior (give a sportier option) and hopefully some performance upgrades. Acura's whole design campaign of looking greener and removing the exhaust tips is one of the dumbest things they have ever done, they still do a nice job of designing the back end though. I think a lot can agree that offering a sportier and faster TLX will satisfy most of our wishes?
#78
When were you there? I lived in Gerrards Cross (Morland drive) in the late 80's early 90's. Acura as a brand did not exist then. Sterling partnered with Honda and produced the UK version of what eventually became the TL. But it was a British car and did not have Honda/Acura's reliability. I drove one for a while but moved on to an under powered BMW. (Thanks to the UK tax laws on 2 liter engines.)
Drove a Sterling for a month or so when I first got there. Think it was a V6. Was a nice car; hit 100mph a few times on a long weekend trip to Devon. Stayed in Bourne End till the house was ready & brought the rest of the family over
That was before England became infested with Automatic Number Plate Recognition, and the 1,000 cameras currently being used can be linked so as to monitor a motorist’s whole journey on main roads across the country
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#79
I think where Acura went wrong was getting owners used to a more premium mid-size sedan (3G and 4G) and then combining a lower end model (TSX) with the TL. The TSX didn't have a place in the Acura lineup so they should have just gotten rid of it and not lower the quality of the TL to make the TLX.
The 2014 TL was really behind in technology and it's obvious that's what Acura really focused on with the TLX. I think since they're all caught up in technology their next step with the TLX is to focus on the exterior (give a sportier option) and hopefully some performance upgrades. Acura's whole design campaign of looking greener and removing the exhaust tips is one of the dumbest things they have ever done, they still do a nice job of designing the back end though. I think a lot can agree that offering a sportier and faster TLX will satisfy most of our wishes?
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atl7 (11-22-2015)
#80
No matter how much goodies Honda throughs at Accord, TLX will remain a premium car.
Before, I purchase my 4G TL I was thinking to buy another Accord. I didn't have any intention to buy an Acura. Randomly I sat inside a 4G TL and I was amazed. There is no doubt that no Accord is very advanced and has very similar goodies as TLX but still Acura brand is associated to premium/luxury and has a reputation of performance. I highly doubt if there is any Accord out there to handle the same as a SH-AWD with 300+ ponies
Let's not forget, the car industry is not the same as 2004. Its very competitive, interest rates are all time low. People can afford to buy German cars easily...the CLA, A3 and etc...people have more choices.
Before, I purchase my 4G TL I was thinking to buy another Accord. I didn't have any intention to buy an Acura. Randomly I sat inside a 4G TL and I was amazed. There is no doubt that no Accord is very advanced and has very similar goodies as TLX but still Acura brand is associated to premium/luxury and has a reputation of performance. I highly doubt if there is any Accord out there to handle the same as a SH-AWD with 300+ ponies
Let's not forget, the car industry is not the same as 2004. Its very competitive, interest rates are all time low. People can afford to buy German cars easily...the CLA, A3 and etc...people have more choices.