ATLPatrick

I'm curious at what altitude Motorweek tests their cars at, and if they correct the time for altitude/temp and things. I know real tests from C&D and Motor Trend usually state the fastest possible times for the car and most drivers will struggle to replicate them. But pretty much all of Motorweeks tests are painfully slow.

Black Tire

I remember when the new Mustang came out and people were saying that the V6 Accord could probably beat the V6 and keep up with the V8 Mustang

iforyou

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Yea, I have seen the link. Like I said, I'm not saying that the A4 cannot do 0-60mph in 5.6s. I pretty much think it CAN do that. I'm saying that it can do that because of its 258lbft of torque and AWD. I'm not sure if it has a launch control system too, if so, that's gonna help a bit too.

Your original comment was this:

That was your response to a77's comment:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you are suggesting that for a ~200hp car at ~3500lb, 0-60mph in 5.6s is normal. And if a car with a rated output of 200hp at around 3500lb can't do 0-60mph in mid 5's, then it's no good.

My point is not to say that 0-60mph in 5.6s is impossible for a car with a rated output of 200hp at 3500lb. Rather, I'm saying this is not the norm. As shown in the link that you provided, the C250 with ~200hp takes 6.8s to reach 60mph. The 218hp G25 takes 7.5s. The S60 has 300hp to do it in 5.5s. Even the highly rated 328i has 240hp.


The ZF 8-speed may be efficient and fast, but it's designed for longitudinal layout. Most Honda and Acura models have transversely mounted engines. As such, the ZF 8-speeder is not compatible. The 9AT from ZF works though. However, the reviews of the 8-DCT in the TLX seem to be more favorable than the 9AT ZF unit in the TLX V6.

saturno_v

That 0-60 in 5,6 is best in class for sure...what I was trying to say is that on the acceleration figures the TLX is just middle of the pack...like in anything else, it does not excel or distinguish (IMHO) itself in any area.

Acura (again, IMHO) need a very strong car to fortify its image....however we will see how many it will sell and let's remember that it has to make up the numbers for 2 outgoing models (TSX and TL).

winstrolvtec

I agree, the is A4 is overachieving due to AWD, additional torque, and software, etc, it would seem. Rumor is that this gen Audi has a different software set with secret launch mode, different fuel maps and shifts points when you brake torque the car. All of which is great except when you don't actually race it or test it.

Where instead you see expected street starts of 5-60 in 7.2 and trap speeds of 95 mph in that same test which is in very much what the TLX and comparable models do with exceptions. Typically those figures are higher for a car that runs mid 5's and mid 14's. Seems designed to test and race better than it is but doesn't translate in all regular driving situations.

CARLOS10

Some week ago i read a news that Ferrari , Mercedes & Lotus feared Honda.
Oooops , excuse me , it was about 2015 Formula 1 season, not RLX or TLX.
Sadly for those teams the results of F1 isnt decide by a road test , or CD or JD Power.

boe_d

While I do think the new TLX is better than the 4G TL in a number of ways, I agree we should keep our feet on the ground.

I can't believe how many people say reviews mean nothing and the reviewer is an idiot if they post something less than positive. Yet you see hurrah's and "great news" when a positive review is posted. Then there are the excuses - e.g. the moon's gravitational pull must have been holding back the 0-60 times. If you designed the car yourself, I could see taking criticism personally but I don't understand getting upset otherwise.

Stew4HD

Just for the purpose of argument, I will mention that those that "hurrah" positive reviews regarding the car this forum is created for is expected and, IMO, justified, especially by those that have made the purchase. Transversely, they will not like a negative review if it is deemed unjustified.

To me, most reviews are basically personal opinions, made by those with some sort of earned" respect. I take the opinions with a grain of salt other than true data (specs.) Still, it's always nice to see a positive review about something you also like, it's human nature.

No one thinks the TLX is the greatest of cars but many, like myself, think its the best car we like and find value in it. We all know there are "better" cars, faster, better appointed, etc.

I don't see anyone getting upset over anything. I'll just leave it at that... It's the internet....

012TL-GLM

Eh, I didn't think the review was that bad, they pointed out several positives. It was just short and succinct. I'm sure it feels more negative because of the length. If they spent 3 pages talking about it like other reviews it would read differently

Acura is clearly more interested in the luxury side of the equation with the TLX, and that will sell the car. Most people would prefer a quiet interior where they can hear the people in the back seat over a deafening exhaust note at 80mph.

I love a car that can perform, but even I have to admit on a daily basis its wasted engineering. Stuck at red lights, waiting for accidents to be cleared, school zones...having a car that goes light speed doesn't mean much.

That said, I appreciate my TL even more on the weekends now that it sits during the week. If I was a daily road warrior I think I would appreciate the more serene interior, and the additional MPG.

I look forward to honest reviews of the SH-AWD TLX. I plan to keep my 4G for a few more years at least. Acura would have to up the performance of the TLX quite a bit for me to consider another sedan from them.

Defining luxury in automobiles is a lot different now - you can get leather, nav, memory seats, multi-directional seats, etc in damn near any car on the market. Car makers really have a challenge on their hands to create something no one needs, but everyone wants. I think Acura makes one of if not the most handsome interiors you can get. A little more sculpting on the exterior, and a few more ponies under the hood and Acura will be back in the game

BEAR-AvHistory

You have people who don't think of as just a car.

Most things are viewed a number of different way by different groups. At one end is the I could care less about a car; the middle group I like my car & will also like the next one whatever it happens to be; then the Fan group who can tend to view the car as a surrogate.

You knock the surrogate you are knocking the owner since they take these thing very personally.

The 4G was pretty much beaten into the ground & fans are looking for a comeback with the TLX. To point out any faults especially performance wise after the loads of thrill commercials will not be well received.

I think the car will be a success but not as a slayer of the evil Huns that a lot were looking for. It will sell to Acura owner & Honda owners looking to move up. It may also capture Nissan & Toyota buyers looking to move but make a change from the parent company

Stew4HD

^ Wow, talk about WAY over thinking things to the point of being scary.

Are you discussing The Crusades or....?

Hey, at least we get free psychoanalysis! *cough*

iforyou

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The way I see this is that, base on the price, the TLX 2.4 competes more directly with 320i, IS250, and ATS 2.5.

The A4 2.0T FWD CVT starts at $35.5k, which is more in line with the TLX V6 at $35.2k. The A4 2.0T 8AT Quattro starts at $37.6k. 328i starts at $37.5k.

If the TLX V6 is equally as fast as the Accord V6 6AT, then it will be faster than the A4 2.0T and 328i, especially from a roll.

I agree, while the A4 2.0T has a very impressive 0-60mph time, but the 5-60mph paints a totally different picture of its performance. The Accord V6 that runs 0-60mph in mid 5's, finishes the 1/4 mile 14's flat, at 100mph for reference.

Prado

While the TLX has its faults, this is a pretty crappy review. It spends a lot of time comparing it to a low spec Accord with a manual transmission and more performance oriented wheels/tires. Completely irrelevant. Now if they said the top spec Accord EXL was as good for thousands less, that would have been a different story. Then they start criticizing the interior by comparing it to cars that are in a price class above the TLX. All the while they fail to point out the thing that is probably the biggest fault of the I4 TLX. It needs a more performance oriented wheels/tires combo. At a minimum Acura should make the V6 wheel/tire size a factory option. Is is really that surprising that a car this size rolling on 225/55/17 tires isn't that much fun.

BEAR-AvHistory

Stew, what total percentage of the "In defense of all things TLX" including "thanks" have you racked up? Do you suppose it far exceeds the #2 poster for the defense?

What might be really scary is to think about your posts count when you actually get the thing.

Stew4HD

My post count, my "Thanks" and being thanked really bothers you. Way to stay classy.

BEAR-AvHistory

Not really, just making a point about the Crusades and Crusaders.

hddnav

Why don't we just agree that the 4-cylinder TLX is a great replacement for a TSX? From this perspective, the C&D review is not so disappointing, since the bar is set pretty low. Even the Accord Sport is a huge upgrade over the TSX, in my opinion. However, expecting the 4-cylinder TLX to be a better sport sedan than a V6 TL is just futile, as the TL is a completely different league.

The comparison to the 4G TL SH-AWD should be reserved only for the the SH-AWD TLX V6.

I wonder what the percentage breakdown is between the sales of the 4-cylinder vs 6-cylinder TLX's so far?

ATLPatrick

I agree for the most part with that you said. I do not believe the Accord sport is better than the TSX, the EX-L Accord though, yes thats an upgrade. The Accord sport may drive better, but it doesn't offer sunroof, leather heated seats, nav, or premium sound. To me all of those things make the TSX the better car, again unless we are talking EX-L to TSX.

But anyway yes, the TLX I4 is a great upgrade from the TSX, but a downgrade to the TL, TLX V6 is an upgrade to the TL. And in both forms its very class competitive.

Mr Hyde

That was the whole point of this car, to replace the TSX with the 4 cylinder model, and the TL with the V6. Compared to the TSX, this car is definietly a win, I feel the same regarding the TL, but some don't agree it seems.

Just stopped by my dealer yesterday, and apparently, the 4 cylinder models are selling like hot cakes, and he is having trouble meeting the demand at the moment.

BEAR-AvHistory

^^^^^

Not surprised. Its a nice car & good deal price wise.

hddnav

This indicates that the budget-trims (4-cylinder) of the TLX appear to be snagging the TSX buyers and is very successful as a TSX replacement. However, until the V6 sales numbers come in, it's not yet clear whether the TLX is doing the same as a TL replacement.

Mr Hyde

we'll need more time for that. My dealer just got in their AWD models, and the AWD Advance models are still over a month away.

a77

Just a completely off the wall comment....as far as fun to drive is concerned, aren't worse tires more fun. Cars are only really entertaining on the limit of their adhesion. When throttle steer, opposite lock and all that stuff comes into play. With lower grip tires these limits can more easily be explored. To take it to extremes, a 911 is dead boring in curves as unless you are on a track, or driving at insane and highly illegal speeds on public roads. Of course safety is another thing, and braking etc - more grippy tires are better of course. Just saying.....

Majofo

At least he didn't compare it to a boat.

Don't wander too far..

Acura never had any balls..



Don't want no mediocre..

It's wut.

Don't you have some nails to attend to.

Stew4HD

^ Junior High has let out

Majofo

You stalking for your next victim

weather

Stew4HD....hey, I noticed your signature changed...didn't it say, Accord (while waiting for the TLX)??

BTW...I was offered a smokin' deal on a I4 TLX with the launch kit but turned it down. I am thinking the TLX will not be in my driveway afterall....still a great car, not just for me anymore.

Stew4HD

Yeah, I changed my sig when I "learned" I was the #2 defender of the TLX

I think I'll still get an Advance SH-AWD model but I am waiting to see if they do any ECU changes to the shift points... and waiting to test drive. I still have 6+ weeks until the car is due to arrive.

weather

^^ I did see the delay in your TLX, that sucks for you! Hang in there, I am sure you will be happy you waited. I am glad I tested both vehicles and now know that the TLX was not for me. I warmed up to the styling and such, but the test drive really killed it for me.

Oh well...ILX in the spring or ???

Quandry

^^^ You ruled out the TLX, but the ILX is in the running???? Would be interesting to see your requirements list.

weather

I dislike the throttle response of the TLX, both the and V6 SH-AWD. For me, the ILX dynamic would be more fun to drive than the I4 TLX (IMO). I am not one for having all the tech and gadgetry, all I want is a dynamic/fun car car and a decent stereo...

IN Canada, the ILX Dynamic comes with the tech features so I get the ELS stereo but I don't need the Lane assist, braking stuff, lane change, and to an extent, even the heated steering wheel and back seats are useless to me since I don't drive my car in teh winter and have no rear passengers.

I love the styling of the TLX, especially with better wheels than the I4, but I have more fun driving the g/f ILX (which is auto) than I did the TLX.....9 speed is not engaging for me and the I4 didn't have the same fun factor as the 2.4ILX. In addition, I wasn't a big fan of the push gear selector as I like to hold on to the gear shifter when I drive so the manual ILX may be a good compromise....

If not, I'll go browse elsewhere I guess. Don't get me wrong, I am NOT trying to say the TLX is not a great car, for what it offers and the price point, its a knock out but for me, it just didn't light my fire at all. I much preferred my TL by a long shot although styling wise, I know it was polarizing.

silverTL6

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B9 S4

weather

B9??

silverTL6

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B9 = 2016+
B8.5 = 2013 - 15
B8 = 2010 - 12
B7 = 2005.5 - 08
B6 = 2004 - 05
...

Not sure how it'll look yet but the spy pics, renderings, and recent Audi designs make it look promising

BEAR-AvHistory

I thought you securely held the #1 position?

Costco

I see nothing wrong with the review, other than how brief it was.

Value is nice, but in a luxury vehicle it should not be the priority. Acura will forever pin the magazine racer and bang for your buck niche of the market, but it is BMW/MB/Lexus that will ultimately take the lead in sales every month.

Stew4HD

CGTSX2004

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Guess I'm not the only one who agrees that the TLX is still missing that serious thrill they keep promising in the ads.

weather

^^ I guess not