Accord Sport 6mt 0-60 in 6.6 - TLX 4cyl 8 Dct 0-60 in ...
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Accord Sport 6mt 0-60 in 6.6 - TLX 4cyl 8 Dct 0-60 in ...
Testing of the 6mt 4 cylinder Accord Sport shows it gets to 60 in 6.6 seconds
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-update-review
Since the TLX will probably have more power - Acura said it gets an all new engine - and since it should have a shorter first, second and third gear it would seem probable that it would be a low six second and possibly (remote) even a high five car. Just speculating but every time I've seen a dct tested versus a manual of the same car the dct is always faster. Assuming the same transmission was used in the Accord Sport with the same engine I'm guessing .03 seconds off 0-60. The torque converter on the DCT should also allow a brake torqued launch - a DCT first. I don't know, just speculating.![2 Cents](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/2cents.gif)
I wish they'd release more info on the TLX instead of teasing the hell out of us.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-update-review
Since the TLX will probably have more power - Acura said it gets an all new engine - and since it should have a shorter first, second and third gear it would seem probable that it would be a low six second and possibly (remote) even a high five car. Just speculating but every time I've seen a dct tested versus a manual of the same car the dct is always faster. Assuming the same transmission was used in the Accord Sport with the same engine I'm guessing .03 seconds off 0-60. The torque converter on the DCT should also allow a brake torqued launch - a DCT first. I don't know, just speculating.
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I wish they'd release more info on the TLX instead of teasing the hell out of us.
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More info is expected in April.
Given that the Accord is probably pretty close in weight to the TLX and the new DI motors seem to be quite solid performance wise, I would not be surprised if the TLX managed to deliver competitive performance with comparatively lower numbers.
Given that the Accord is probably pretty close in weight to the TLX and the new DI motors seem to be quite solid performance wise, I would not be surprised if the TLX managed to deliver competitive performance with comparatively lower numbers.
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We have the '13 EX with 2.4/6MT. If anything, it might be a bit quicker than the Sport because the 17 inch wheels are lighter than the 18s on the Sport.
It's no race car, but it has plenty of pop if you shift it correctly. Amazing, really, for such a practical car that has a ton of room and still attains 40 mpg on longer freeway jaunts.
It's no race car, but it has plenty of pop if you shift it correctly. Amazing, really, for such a practical car that has a ton of room and still attains 40 mpg on longer freeway jaunts.
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This begs the question, "how fast do they need to go?" If, for example, they are able to get the 0 to 60 time into the middle six second range, should they back off from further speed to game a couple more mpg? Especially considering that the four-cylinder buyers are probably quite interested in this.
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This begs the question, "how fast do they need to go?" If, for example, they are able to get the 0 to 60 time into the middle six second range, should they back off from further speed to game a couple more mpg? Especially considering that the four-cylinder buyers are probably quite interested in this.
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This begs the question, "how fast do they need to go?" If, for example, they are able to get the 0 to 60 time into the middle six second range, should they back off from further speed to game a couple more mpg? Especially considering that the four-cylinder buyers are probably quite interested in this.
Certainly not expecting it to put down acceleration times on par with the 328i, but the trade-off has to be better fuel economy than the BMW offers.
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Personally I'm curious about how smooth they're going to be able to make the 8 DCT.
The 7 DCT in the RLX is as smooth as it is because of the integration of the electric motor that smooths out the shifting.
I'm afraid that without that electric system the 8 DCT is going to feel more like a Porsche PDK, and it'll generate the public criticism from enthusiasts that Honda cannot seem to escape.
:-)
The 7 DCT in the RLX is as smooth as it is because of the integration of the electric motor that smooths out the shifting.
I'm afraid that without that electric system the 8 DCT is going to feel more like a Porsche PDK, and it'll generate the public criticism from enthusiasts that Honda cannot seem to escape.
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Personally I'm curious about how smooth they're going to be able to make the 8 DCT.
The 7 DCT in the RLX is as smooth as it is because of the integration of the electric motor that smooths out the shifting.
I'm afraid that without that electric system the 8 DCT is going to feel more like a Porsche PDK, and it'll generate the public criticism from enthusiasts that Honda cannot seem to escape.
:-)
The 7 DCT in the RLX is as smooth as it is because of the integration of the electric motor that smooths out the shifting.
I'm afraid that without that electric system the 8 DCT is going to feel more like a Porsche PDK, and it'll generate the public criticism from enthusiasts that Honda cannot seem to escape.
:-)
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Personally I'm curious about how smooth they're going to be able to make the 8 DCT.
The 7 DCT in the RLX is as smooth as it is because of the integration of the electric motor that smooths out the shifting.
I'm afraid that without that electric system the 8 DCT is going to feel more like a Porsche PDK, and it'll generate the public criticism from enthusiasts that Honda cannot seem to escape.
:-)
The 7 DCT in the RLX is as smooth as it is because of the integration of the electric motor that smooths out the shifting.
I'm afraid that without that electric system the 8 DCT is going to feel more like a Porsche PDK, and it'll generate the public criticism from enthusiasts that Honda cannot seem to escape.
:-)
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I think my problem is going to be that I will end up wanting both a TLX and an RLX.
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This begs the question, "how fast do they need to go?" If, for example, they are able to get the 0 to 60 time into the middle six second range, should they back off from further speed to game a couple more mpg? Especially considering that the four-cylinder buyers are probably quite interested in this.
The 8 speed used by BMW is the same off the shelf ZF unit used by many other car manufacturers now including the Ram pickup
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Personally I'm curious about how smooth they're going to be able to make the 8 DCT.
The 7 DCT in the RLX is as smooth as it is because of the integration of the electric motor that smooths out the shifting.
I'm afraid that without that electric system the 8 DCT is going to feel more like a Porsche PDK, and it'll generate the public criticism from enthusiasts that Honda cannot seem to escape.
:-)
The 7 DCT in the RLX is as smooth as it is because of the integration of the electric motor that smooths out the shifting.
I'm afraid that without that electric system the 8 DCT is going to feel more like a Porsche PDK, and it'll generate the public criticism from enthusiasts that Honda cannot seem to escape.
:-)
Acura may soon lay claim to having two of the worlds smoothest DCTs. The torque converter + DCT is a game changer imo and Acura is the first one to do this. The dynamic range of the transmission, from syrupy city slushbox to bang-through-the-gears-racecar, should (or could) be pretty high.
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The 8 speed used by BMW is the same off the shelf ZF unit used by many other car manufacturers now including the Ram pickup
. Not a bad thing since its an excellent transmission but how many parts can different manufacturers share before they lose a chunk of what makes them special. Hondas and Acuras transmissions, going way back, have been more like automated manuals and lack planetary gearsets typical on just about every other automatic car. This is one of the things that contributes to the light and lively feel of Acuras and Hondas. It appears that that Acuras new DCT transmissions are done in house thus preserving this history. Although the 9 speed used in the TLX 3.5 I'm not sure about.
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This begs the question, "how fast do they need to go?" If, for example, they are able to get the 0 to 60 time into the middle six second range, should they back off from further speed to game a couple more mpg? Especially considering that the four-cylinder buyers are probably quite interested in this.
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The current TSX doesn't stack up well against these either, but it still competes in the marketplace. I'm sure there will be virtues for the TLX if it ends up being a couple ticks slower, maybe better economy and a larger, roomier package at a lower price (when comparably equipped)? I'm just saying that I don't think we have to have th fastest car in the segment for it to still be a success.
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The current TSX doesn't stack up well against these either, but it still competes in the marketplace. I'm sure there will be virtues for the TLX if it ends up being a couple ticks slower, maybe better economy and a larger, roomier package at a lower price (when comparably equipped)? I'm just saying that I don't think we have to have th fastest car in the segment for it to still be a success.
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Agree. Only one car can be the fastest in the segement. The rest just need to be competitive in the eyes of the Sport Sedan buyer trading off other features for absolute top dog speed.
For the rest of the non enthusiast buyers (the vast majority) I don't think it makes any difference.
For the rest of the non enthusiast buyers (the vast majority) I don't think it makes any difference.
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Yeah, and being the fastest is a fleeting title as new cars are introduced.
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Yup, in fact, NOT being the fastest has been a longtime H/A trait. It has always been the complete package that made the product appealing. I'm not holding my breath, but I hope the TLX gets DWB front suspension. This would help separate it from the Accord in perception and would surly yield a more well rounded car from a handling perspective.
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^^ DWB = Double Wishbone like the RLX.
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Yup, in fact, NOT being the fastest has been a longtime H/A trait. It has always been the complete package that made the product appealing. I'm not holding my breath, but I hope the TLX gets DWB front suspension. This would help separate it from the Accord in perception and would surly yield a more well rounded car from a handling perspective.
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haha guys it's just me who has the need for speed lol..and wanna do so in a Honda/Acura product.
I totally agree that 0-60mph in the 6's is competitive in this segment for a base model.
I totally agree that 0-60mph in the 6's is competitive in this segment for a base model.
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^^^LOL, You buy the V6 and let us 4 cylinder slow pokes get better economy....LOL
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IMO there is NO WAY we'll see a turbo V6 in any car before the NSX arrives.
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^^ I agree. The turbo 4 is what we will see.....I am still thinking the base 4 to produce about 230hp, the turbo 4 about 280 and the V6 at 310
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I don't want to see 3 engines unless one is a hybrid. I want a DI NA 4 cylinder in the 200-220 hp range. I want 28-30 city and 36-38 on the highway. I'd be willing to sacrifice HP for better economy but the base model must sell for 33K or less.
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No no no no no no no NO NO NO!
I don't want to see 3 engines unless one is a hybrid. I want a DI NA 4 cylinder in the 200-220 hp range. I want 28-30 city and 36-38 on the highway. I'd be willing to sacrifice HP for better economy but the base model must sell for 33K or less.
I don't want to see 3 engines unless one is a hybrid. I want a DI NA 4 cylinder in the 200-220 hp range. I want 28-30 city and 36-38 on the highway. I'd be willing to sacrifice HP for better economy but the base model must sell for 33K or less.
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The current TSX doesn't stack up well against these either, but it still competes in the marketplace. I'm sure there will be virtues for the TLX if it ends up being a couple ticks slower, maybe better economy and a larger, roomier package at a lower price (when comparably equipped)? I'm just saying that I don't think we have to have th fastest car in the segment for it to still be a success.
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No no no no no no no NO NO NO!
I don't want to see 3 engines unless one is a hybrid. I want a DI NA 4 cylinder in the 200-220 hp range. I want 28-30 city and 36-38 on the highway. I'd be willing to sacrifice HP for better economy but the base model must sell for 33K or less.
I don't want to see 3 engines unless one is a hybrid. I want a DI NA 4 cylinder in the 200-220 hp range. I want 28-30 city and 36-38 on the highway. I'd be willing to sacrifice HP for better economy but the base model must sell for 33K or less.
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I think it's the TLX 4cyl will have a bit more HP (like 10-15hp) with more mid-range torque than the Accord's 4 cyl while provides similar gas mileage. I don't expect to see a turbo'ed 4 right off the bat although that will be super awesome. Maybe at the MMC.
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I think it's the TLX 4cyl will have a bit more HP (like 10-15hp) with more mid-range torque than the Accord's 4 cyl while provides similar gas mileage. I don't expect to see a turbo'ed 4 right off the bat although that will be super awesome. Maybe at the MMC.
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Prius doesn't have 200+ HP ![Wish](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wish.gif)
I think it's the TLX 4cyl will have a bit more HP (like 10-15hp) with more mid-range torque than the Accord's 4 cyl while provides similar gas mileage. I don't expect to see a turbo'ed 4 right off the bat although that will be super awesome. Maybe at the MMC.
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I think it's the TLX 4cyl will have a bit more HP (like 10-15hp) with more mid-range torque than the Accord's 4 cyl while provides similar gas mileage. I don't expect to see a turbo'ed 4 right off the bat although that will be super awesome. Maybe at the MMC.
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High output horsepower and excellent fuel economy just don't mix, for naturally-aspirated automotive engines, unless there is a major breakthrough in engine technology.
However, performance-hybrid engines and force-induction engines are different stories.
However, performance-hybrid engines and force-induction engines are different stories.