2010_TL

So, I need a better understanding on why its not a good idea to have staggered wheels on our cars? I'm thinking about ordering some concave Vossen wheels to get ready for next summer. I'm thinking 20x9 front and 20x10.5 rear. I dont know the offsets yet. I'm not very good when it comes to this so if you guys can take the time to explain why its not such a good idea then that would be awesome. Thanks in advance!!

These are the wheels I wanna get in Matte Graphite.

justnspace

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because of the All Wheel Drive system.

2010_TL

Sorry if I'm asking a stupid question but how would it effect the All Wheel Drive System? Im just trying to get a better understanding of it.

justnspace

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you would have to keep the rolling diameter the same, front and back.
if not, your all wheel drive system will fuck up.

2010_TL

I see what your saying. What if I get the same size for all 4 wheels but get a different offset for the rear wheels to make it look staggered? Can I do that?

KB1Spec

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As long as the front and rear are same width and the tires are the same. Then you can change the offset. I was running staggered on my RL front 8.5 and rear 9.5. Front 235 and rear 275. Luckily it didnt mess up my SH AWD tranny but my RL was a lease. But this time when I leased a TL, I prefer to be on the safe said and opted for the FWD and put in my wheels which I had on the RL.

Mr Marco

There is no need to run a staggered set-up on this car. Cars that run with bigger rears do so because they have so much power that a wider rear tire is required to gain traction, IE my buddies '05 C6 Corvette with 18" 275 rear / 17" 245 front. The car is REAR wheel drive with a 6ltr small block V8. It needs more grip to hook up all those horses.
Putting a staggered set-up on the 4G TL is ill advised. But I admit it looks hot. I understand why you would want to do it.
If your only keeping the car for a couple years then go for it. I plan on keeping ours for 10 years so there is no way in hell I want to take a chance on fucking up those rear diff clutch plates with some over-sized wheels/tires. Not to mention confusing the WSS electronics.

2010_TL

Now I completely understand, thanks everyone. I talked to Vossen earlier and they said that I cant get a different offset for the rear wheels if I wanna go with the concave wheels. They basically have to stay the same for all 4 wheels. Thats too bad, I really want that staggered look without actually being staggered.

So I changed my mind, Im going with either the Work Gnosis HS202 or Work Gnosis GS5 wheels in Burning Black finish. Still undecided.

Work Gnosis HS202


or Work Gnosis GS5

renedcruz

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Both of those wheels would look awesome on the TL. Post pics when you get them.

jspagna1

Staggered wheels on my Mustang yes. On the TL no! I don't think the staggered look doesn't look good on the TL anyways.
I think 20's look great on these cars and I would get nice set of
Yoyo Proxes Ultra High Performance Summer tires and the car will feel like it's riding on rails.

http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/pr...e-summer-tires

Mr Marco

Gnosis HS202 IMHO

I've always thought the TunerFork multiple spokes make the car look classier.

Steven Bell

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I agree that both will look great, but I'm kind of thinking the GS5's are more of my favorites...

NorCalJay

I'm also looking at staggered tires. Since the SHAWD can put most of the power (70%?) to rear tires and then most of that (100%?) to a single rear outside tire in a turn then it could make sense. You might want to ask an Acura mechanic or engineer - but here's some 'rough' calculations:
http://www.1010tires.com/tiresizecalculator.asp

stock 18's: 245/45r18 = 26.68 dia

front 19's: 245/40r19 = 26.71 dia
rear 19's: 275/35r19 = 26.57 dia

Difference between these staggered dia sizes is under 1% (.53% or 1/8") then the radius is half of that (1/16"). I'm sure tire brand, wear and air pressure will vary diameters anyway so it may be well within tolerance. Besides you turn frequently so all wheels will vary in speed.

Or you can run wider tires (275's) on all four like someone did here.

ib_jimmy

Edward'TLS

The TL (both AWD and non-AWD) is build on a FWD chassis, and is already front heavy in terms of weight distribution. Putting much wider tires at the rear of the car will only cause the car to understeer even more.

types1fan

When I first got my Tl in 09 I wanted to get the Vossen CV1, these are the first Vossen concave wheels. They told me upfront that staggered would not work on the TL and that if tried any staggering I would ruin my driving dynamics. I also called RonJon and he told me the same thing weather front or AWD.

types1fan

I've seen 2 acuras in my area with staggered, an MDX with the cv1 in silver. I also saw a black 4g and the guys rims and tires stuck out about 2 inches on the rear, it looked horrible, I'm guessing that he could not even sit an extra person in the car cause it would start rubbing.

Mr Marco

+1

justnspace

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In conclusion, Buy a different vehicle if you want to run staggered wheels.

Mr Marco

19″ MRR HR2 in a Silver Machined Finish. Rear offset 43mm. Front wheel offsets are +35mm. 235/35/19 in the front and 265/30/19 in the rear.

People do it to FWD cars all the time. It looks hot, but is really just for show. This will fuck with the handling of the car and actually make it SLOWer. Why spend money on your car and not get better handling and acceleration.

SAVE YOUR MONEY

justnspace

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^i agree.

jspagna1

Oh ya, I like these better:

Gnosis GS5

NorCalJay

Sorry - didn't mean to stray from the OP's 20" wheel choice to a staggered discussion. But this is interesting...besides making sure you have the same staggered rolling diameter within tolerance and not on a FWD.

My previous AWD X5 had a staggered setup as do many AWD's. Why do they do it? I understand the 4G is a FWD chassis but it is still an AWD where most of the power goes to the rear tires accelerating and cornering.

There may be increased understeer but in our unique situation with torque vectoring - doesn't it compensate all the rear power to the outside rear tire while the inside rear tire is along for the ride? Seems a wider tire with the most power would help.

So as far as wider tires slowing it down, yes it would slightly - but with 300hp+ is it that much of an issue? When someone posted his TL with 275's all around no brought that up.

Looks or preference is another issue and staggered doesn't always mean sticking out 2 inches in the back with stretched tires. Maybe the only way to tell is test it is on a course.

To the OP you can also run the same tires with slightly different wheel offset and/or width just for the look.

777mycoolangelo

I have an 09 FWD...and staggered setup for about 2 years...1st year i never got an alignment and my Invos lasted less than a year. 2nd year got Lifetime alignment...so far thread wear is even.

I've got the Tien SS /EDFC and Progressive rear sway bar. Honestly im not a real aggressive driver but when I enter an on ramp on a nice turn and some one is tailgating I take those turns and My car hugs the turns.

The only true thing I dislike is that I can't rotate the tires.

On the other hand if i had an AWD I wouldn't get the staggered setup.

B.G.

IMO, I see every reason why you would want to run staggered.. It looks sick, hands down. Plenty of AWD cars do it and have no issues. As mentioned, you want to keep the rolling diameter as close as possible. I ran it on my old S60R (when my advice thread, just like this said NO too) with no problems. People run them on RS4s, Subies, Evos, etc. I will be doing it when it comes time to put wheels on the car. You have my vote in doing it.. Those CV2s are sexy too

Pseudomaniac

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Staggered on FWD or AWD = waste of money.

Torque Vectoroing / realtime SH-AWD is based on grip/slip/friction and dialed in at having equivalent rims and rubber at all 4 corners. By changing the rotational diameter / tire width at any corner from the rest, you're effectively changing a co-efficient on the SH-AWD that it does not know hot to interprut the values for correctly, and potentially dooming the AWD system. There are plenty of sick looking rims for a car that can fit 255/40/19s under it without having to go nuts.

On the FWD, you're just going to stick a sled on the back of an already understeer happy tail, and make it come around that much easier.

What most people also don't realize on the Honda offset, is the rims with the enormous 2-3inch lips, are only achieveable by the offset matching from the center of the hub - so the rim actually ends up with a cone shape profile in the center, with the point going outward. IMO - they don't look very good in person; not like looking at a set of sick deepdish rims on the back of a true RWD car where the profile is flat on all 4 corners and you can get that positive offset lip on the rear wheels.

You gain nothing by going staggered - including looks (with cone shaped rims). You also run the risk of ruining the handling capabilities of the car, and even potneially damaging the AWD system.

potmilkz

this is the only time im glad i have a FWD.. so i dont have to deal with this issue of damaging the AWD system..

i dont see any harm in putting it on a FWD.. in fact, that is what im doing..

but i have a different purpose for my car lol..

low and slow is what i go for and i dont really plan to race or speed with a fwd

777mycoolangelo

LOW AND SLOW so everybody can see you!..Hell YA!

Thats how I roll...breakin necks!

Spodenki

I like the GS5's.