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Long time reader, first time poster. It sucks that my first post is about an issue I have, but I was wondering if anyone could help. You guys probably have some great ideas that I would never dream of.
My issue is that I recently bought 4 new rims+tires for my 2013 TL and I'm getting some serious rubbing from the back tires. My TL is completely stock outside of these new rims+tires so it's basically a blank slate, although I do not desire to make massive changes to my ride. I basically want some nice rims and then maybe an aftermarket exhaust system down the road.
Anyways, before I get sidetracked, let me give you the specs for the new wheels I put on:
Brand of Rims: Braelin Wheels BR10
Rim Size: 20 x 9
Offset: 25
Tires: Goodyear Eagle Sport All-Season Tires
Tire Size: 255/35R/20XL
In the front I'm getting 2.5" clearance from the tire to the lip of the fender (sorry about the angle):
In the back I'm getting 1.5 inches:
But with that said, all 4 of the tires stick out quite a bit past the fenders as you can see below (all 4 look like this):
Personally, I think it looks badass, but the rub is way too much to continue on. For the moment, I have gone back to my stock setup until I can find a solution to this issue. I only had them setup with the new look for 1 day and there is already some pretty obvious tire damage occurring on the back tires. The damage is right on the border of the sidewall. I am worried that I will end up blowing my tires out, and at the end of the day it sounds like crap when your car can't even go over small bumps without a loud banging sound.
As I said earlier, I haven't done anything to the car other than put these wheels on. Therefore, the springs/coils are stock, the fenders have not been rolled, etc.
I was wondering if rolling my fenders would do the trick, but with the tires sticking out so far past the fender I'm not sure it will.
I also wondered about getting new springs to slightly raise the back end enough so that there would be no rubbing, but I am concerned that it will negatively affect the vehicle with it being an AWD (I'm not a car guy so let me know if I'm making up fairy tales). There's also the potential for that to cost me a lot. I wouldn't even know where to begin.
So what I'm asking is, am I screwed? Do I need to cut my losses and just buy a whole different setup or can this be fixed?
Your problem is simply the offset 25 is making them stick out too much. I have the exact same specs wheels and tires but my offset is 35. The guy I bought them from said on a stock car they only rub a tiny bit on specific bumps. My car is lowered so I can't say personally. You really need less aggressive offset like 35 and 245/35 tires to have no problems and not rub at all. To make them work definitely should start with rolling the fenders. You also would probably need to pull the fenders too. If that doesn't fix then you will need to camber them a little so they will tuck in. But thats not ideal and no guarantees it will work. Hate to say it but unless your prepared to make those modifications you should probably sell them.
aftermarket wheels will never be plug and play(unless you choose a conservative spec). you will always have to play with the variables on hand...ie; tire size, fender modifications, camber, and height.
Sorry to say @4G.TL, you bought the wrong wheels for your car; in the 20" size you should have bought wheels with an offset ranging from 35mm to 42mm. At this point your two options are to replace those wheels with the correct size, or roll your fenders (hopefully you don't live in a state where road-salt is used.
Your problem is simply the offset 25 is making them stick out too much. I have the exact same specs wheels and tires but my offset is 35. The guy I bought them from said on a stock car they only rub a tiny bit on specific bumps. My car is lowered so I can't say personally. You really need less aggressive offset like 35 and 245/35 tires to have no problems and not rub at all. To make them work definitely should start with rolling the fenders. You also would probably need to pull the fenders too. If that doesn't fix then you will need to camber them a little so they will tuck in. But thats not ideal and no guarantees it will work. Hate to say it but unless your prepared to make those modifications you should probably sell them.
Huge newbie mistake by me. Thanks for your help. I'll definitely look into the size you suggest if I end up selling them.
aftermarket wheels will never be plug and play(unless you choose a conservative spec). you will always have to play with the variables on hand...ie; tire size, fender modifications, camber, and height.
Start by rolling them fenders.
I was hoping that would work, but on closer inspection it seems like there would still be a lot of rub. They just stick too far out.
Sorry to say @4G.TL, you bought the wrong wheels for your car; in the 20" size you should have bought wheels with an offset ranging from 35mm to 42mm. At this point your two options are to replace those wheels with the correct size, or roll your fenders (hopefully you don't live in a state where road-salt is used.
I live in Toronto so road salt is like 1:1 with snow in the winter
If I were to buy the same wheels with a 38 offset would it do the trick? I noticed they come in 25 or 38.
The 38 would be good, 42 is like OEM which are sunken in too much. As horsey said it's within spec, even if it's just barely it should be good.
Would I be able to use the same tires for those rims? I assume so, but I'm new to this so I better ask.
Also, are 9 inches a good width with a 38 offset? Would it be flush? Or do I need to go wider? I'm going to assume going wider would mean I'd need a lesser offset though....
How do you guys verify what's within spec and what isn't? Is there a tool on Tirerack for that?
The easiest way is to go to TireRack and look up a set of wheels and tires for your car; look at the diameter, rim width, wheel offset, back-spacing, and bolt spacing, and then buy a set of wheels which fits that criteria.
I figured I might as well not create a new thread to post this. But since I bought those oversized rims I haven't purchased anything new. Right now I am looking at a set of rims with the following dimensions. From your experience, would I be okay, or would they rub?
20"x8.5"
35 Offset
5x120 Bolt Pattern
74.1mm Center Bore
They will pull inboard by 16mm as compared to your previous setup.
Make sure your previous setup didn't damage the paint on the fender lip. If it did, you'll want to get some POR15 or similar urethane paint to touch them up.
Also, I recommend you don't roll fenders on a car you drive in salt. I doubt you'll need to with 8.5 +35 wheels. But...don't do it (my recommendation).
The stock size/offset is 18x8 +55, IIRC.
The wheels you bought will push outboard a massive 26mm as compared to stock. Should give you the look you're searching for.
Compromises you can expect? Tyre wear will be slightly adversely affected. And steering feel will be a little lighter.
They will pull inboard by 16mm as compared to your previous setup.
Make sure your previous setup didn't damage the paint on the fender lip. If it did, you'll want to get some POR15 or similar urethane paint to touch them up.
Also, I recommend you don't roll fenders on a car you drive in salt. I doubt you'll need to with 8.5 +35 wheels. But...don't do it (my recommendation).
The stock size/offset is 18x8 +55, IIRC.
The wheels you bought will push outboard a massive 26mm as compared to stock. Should give you the look you're searching for.
Compromises you can expect? Tyre wear will be slightly adversely affected. And steering feel will be a little lighter.
Thank you for your reply! I hope I don't have to roll the fenders!! I think this setup will look amazing once everything arrives. I'll be sure to post some pictures!
Thank you for your reply! I hope I don't have to roll the fenders!! I think this setup will look amazing once everything arrives. I'll be sure to post some pictures!
07-14-2019, 10:44 PM
