I weighed a front and rear and figured they would be close to the same weight. I got 30lbs on each wheel. I weighed them three times each and got the same result. On the digital scale the were at 29.7-30.4lbs. Depending on how they set on the scale. I also weighed myself without and then with the wheels three times each and got a 30lb difference.

I believe these are 100% aluminum, as a magnet would not stick to them at all. Also by reading up on Vossens site. Different metals have different melting points, so it would be very difficult to get a mix of metals to flow evenly without one setting up before the others.

 

I am going to roll in here with my Vossen hate sand say their claim to finding a new process is bull.

BBS has been "flow form" casting wheels FOREVER.
Same for Enkei. Same for so many other legitimate companies.

What matters is the material used. If it isn't advertised it is because it isnt worth mentioning. I doubt it is 100% aluminum because of this. Would be advertised if it was... unless it doesnt matter because cast is cast.

30lbs however isnt bad for that size wheels!

 

Glad Brock got these at a discount then!

they are totally not worth their asking price

 

Flow formed my ass lol. My Niche Veronas weigh 29 lbs each at 20x10.5 and guess what? It's a low pressure cast wheel lmfaooo. Flow formed wheels are supposed to be a little lighter and stronger than low pressure cast. And yes, I cannot get a magnet to stick on my wheels either. It doesn't need to be 100% aluminum for magnet not to stick. You're only paying for the Vossen brand name. That's all. Vossen designs nice wheels but don't let their marketing jargon fool you. Flow form is the same as rotary form and its been around for awhile now. Vossen got late into the game lol.

But I don't know how these wheels could be as they weigh the almost the same as low pressure cast wheels.

 

^their marketing jargon tripped me up too.

 

Thank you for weighting them Brock. I also assumed flow forming was some sort of rotary forging type process. I didn't expect these to be light and anyone getting a Vossen wheel that knows a little bit about wheels shouldn't expect them to be light either. However if they were I would've been very impressed.

 

they do look super cool tho

 

I got them only because of the price, like I have stated before, I didn't buy my TL to be a sports car nor do I have and dreams of it ever being one. I would never pay the retail asking price for Vossens, it's insane because their wheel is made just like many others that cost half the price.

I did however want something different for my TL that many others don't have and I wouldn't see when I'm out driving around. I think these wheels meet that criteria and look nice in doing so, that's my opinion on the looks of course. I also didn't want a chrome, silver or polished wheel. The actual price I paid for these was 1100, which is very close to what Niches go for. At that price I believe the majority of people would have gone for the Vossens as well.

To answer why I got them at such a cheap price was because a shipping/billing error from what I took away from the conversation. They are legit Vossen wheels and I have spoken to Vossen and they confirmed they are the real thing as well.

As for the weight, I was guessing 25lbs, I did my best to weigh them with the tools I have. I was actually surprised at 30lbs and I assume that's why the weight isn't listed anywhere.

 

From what I have read from Vossen, they state it's a new way for them to produce wheels, but not new to the industry. At least that's how I read it. Also it's very hard to get different metals to melt together let alone flow and spin together to produce a sound structure.

 

mount them already!!

 

Spring time, they are calling for snow this weekend here.

 

If that was indeed what they meant then that would be me looking for the negative.
It happens.

 

Flow forming is the same as Enkie's MAT and TSW's Rotary Forge processes. For those who don't know, the wheel face is pressure cast and some material is left on the backside to form the barrel. The wheel is then put on a rotary machine that applies heat and pressure to both sides of the barrel while spinning it to form the barrel of the wheel. This process changes the molecular structure of the alloy making the barrel lighter and stronger.

One of the downsides to flow forming is that the weight of the finished wheel is entirely dependent on how heavy the original cast face is. With a wheel like Brock purchased, the many thick spokes on the wheel face just end up making the overall wheel weigh a lot more than if it had less and/or thinner spokes. Comparatively, a 20x10.5 TSW is about 5lbs lighter just because the thinner spokes allow for a much lighter weight platform to form the barrel from.

 

Fixed...

 

Holy crap 30lbs. I wonder if my rotiforms weigh that much.

 

The only way to find out how good the Vossens forming process is to compare the finished wheel weights.

Any wheel makers can market tons and tons of jargon to confuse the buyers, but the real deal is always revealed in terms of how heavy (or light) the finished wheels are.

 

Have you posted a shot of the wheels you ended up choosing? I love rotiforms...would love to have a preview

 

I haven't received them yet because Rotiform has to make them for 5x120. For some reason, all Rotiform wheels come in 5x112 so it was a custom order to spec.

Here's a pic I just digged up real quick. They're the SNA's except 20's. These I think are 19's. Same look.

 

^ beauty, awesome choice my friend. Can't wait to see them once they're on (I'm assuming next spring?)

 

Yeah after the freezing winter. It's hit 0 degrees this weekend. No snow yet surprisingly.

 

Those look nice, what specs did you go with?

 

Thanks brock. I went with 20x9 +35 all round. I wanted to go conservative so I wouldn't have to roll my fenders or do any work really.

 

Totally disagree that the 4th generation isn't a looker I think that it's still the best looking TL, yes takes a little modification but nothing crazy, but in the end it's the best IMOP. As far as the Mazda only having 185/ 184 looks are great but its still just a Mazda 6.