Harald

First post by a FNG on the forum. I recently bought a clean used low mile 2009 SH-AWD Acura TL with tech pkg and 19 inch wheels. Awesome car even though it's a slug compared to my other vehicle.

We don't get much snow around Seattle unless you drive to the mountains, but occasionally it hits the low elevations. I live on an extremely steep private road that becomes treacherous when covered in snow and ice. Last week was my first experience on the dreaded hill with the TL and it wasn't pretty. Traction with those summer tires totally sucks! :angry:

So I'm shopping for a set of wheels/snow tires. I can get a set of 17" wheels/Dunlop DS3 tires delivered for about $1k, but I'm hoping to find a used set for less because they will only go on during snow days.

From research, I see that 05 and up Odyssey and 06 and up Ridgeline wheel will fit. Does anyone know if BMW wheels will fit? Some BMW wheels are 5x120 spacing, similar offset, same stud size and center bore holes bigger than what the TL needs. I'm thinking I might just need different lug nuts to use them?

Thanks for any input from the experts.

justnspace

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whats your other vehicle?

Harald

It's a 2007 Yamaha FJR1300 motorcycle. If you're not familiar with bikes, think sportbike with saddlebags.

BLACKURA_NY

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BMW wheels should fit the car no problem... but i am not sure what their center hub bore is... Acura is 64.1.... if BMW is larger (which it probably is) you can get hub-centric rings for like $20-$50 to fill the void, and stop them from shaking

however, if BMW uses a smaller hub bore (say 62.1) you will not be able to use the wheels unless you have a shop machine/bore out the hub to 64.1mm

Also remember, a lot of BMW wheels come with a more aggressive offset and staggered as well...

M3/M5/M6 wheels will be too aggressive. i believe most 3/5/6/7 series wheels are staggered as well, but with a conservative rake

Mr Marco

Bmw cb =72.56
m- cb =74.1

Not to mention the lug BOLTS, not nuts.

Chas2

I know some BMW's use ball (spherical) seats, but not sure if the Honda ball seats will fit. The fact that the BMW's require lug bolts does not matter...just if the lug seats on the wheel match your existing lug nuts.

Let us know if you do it.

BLACKURA_NY

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dont think the bolts vs lugs will matter, because after market wheels can fit a variety of 5x120 applications, but the spherical seats might make a different when talking about using OEM wheels

a member from Japan does have AC shnitzer wheels on his 4G, even though they are aftermarket, they are essentially made for BMW

Mr Marco

I can't remember which car I owned that had bolts but I do recall it was a pain in the ass changing wheels.

Harald

It looks like all BMW wheels have a larger center bore, so no problem there. I've only rotated the tires once and can't remember what the lug nuts look like - but aren't they tapered to center the wheel on the hub like most cars? I guess I should have paid more attention. I know my F350 is hub centric because it uses flat lug nuts torqued to 160 ft/lbs (and it's a pain to pry the wheel off the hub ), but all cars I've ever owned center on the tapered lug nuts.

FAST4DR

I have MSW wheels made for a BMW on mine. The centerbore is larger, and tirerack did not have the correct hubcentric rings, so I am without centering rings. I was going to buy the centering rings online, but after receiving the wheels and mounting them, they are simply not needed in my opinion.

Tirerack sent acorn nuts that match the wheels. When I mount them, I make sure that I snug each lug nut in a five star pattern slowly up to torque. I haven't had any problems and the balance was perfect.

One thing to remember if your looking at BMW wheels is the offset is most likely going to be aggressive on the TL. i.e. The wheel is going to be pushed towards the fender.

Harald

Thanks for the info.
I don't know how much room there is to play with offset before tires start rubbing on fender or suspension. And I sure don't want my TL to look like a skateboard with tires sticking way out of the fender. I guess I'll have to limit my search to local sales so I can try them on before buying.

ostrich

When you bought the MSW wheels on Tire Rack, was it listed as one of the wheels that would fit your TL?

FAST4DR

No. They were listed for a BMW. I told the representative what I was doing and that I was going to roll the fenders and he understood. They mounted the correct tire pressure sensors for the car. Tire Rack is conservative when it comes to offsets. The wheels fit fine and without lowering the suspension there was no rubbing. I had lowered the car with eibachs(since removed). I did roll the fenders simply to make sure they did not hit the lip when it was lowered. Search for my threads if you need more info.

Fryd_Up

The TL should have no trouble running BMW wheels in Non-M offsets (45-35 depending on rim width/diameter). I've done some searching into it and that's the conclusion I came to. To play it safe stay in the 40's for 8-8.5 inch wide wheels. I wouldn't go any wider or you'll have to get creative with tire sizing to get the fitment right.

Harald

Due to time constraints, I gave up on trying to find used wheels that will fit the 09 TL. I just don't have time to run around trying on wheels that people have for sale. So I picked up some 17inch Sacchi wheels for about $100 each and a set of Hankook W409 tires. I also scored a set of used 09 TL pressure sensors off ebay for $55 delivered.

I've already had the opportunity to try out the tires on some snow/ice and the difference in traction vs the summer perfomance tires I had on the car is incredible! I don't know how much better these tires are than all season tires, but reviews I read say they are much better.

And the the new (used) pressure sensors only took 1/2 mile of driving to register with the car. I probably would have run around with the warning light on, but for only $55 it was worth it to install and avoid that annoyance.

Mr Marco

Pics^?

Pete2010

Congrats - and yes dedicated winter tires will out-perform any summer and all-season tire. I'm surprised you didn't go sliding into the guardrails with summer tires on your car, pretty dangerous to drive on those in below freezing or any sort of ice/snow.

I've got wintersport m3's and they are a beast in the snow on my factory 18's

rsteagall

I'd love to see some pictures. I didn't know that BMW wheels would bolt on like this. Did I misread something?

Harald

Call it a misread. I gave up on finding BMW wheels to fit the TL because not all will fit and it would require trial fitting to make sure they'll work, which is not very convenient when buying off ebay. And even locally, you'd have to drive over to the guys house and try them on before buying.

And yeah, I've failed as a forum member by not posting any pics. I'll have to take a shot to post up. I can tell you that after running the 19inchers normally, the 17 inch wheels look cheap and less stylish. But I just couldn't justify the extra cost for tires/wheels that only get run for a few months.

eazy

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bmw offsets are usually 25-35 offset. though some wheels may fit, the offset is not recommended.

Harald

As promised, here's a couple pics of the Sacchi S2 17" wheels with W409 snow tires installed on my 09 TL.

Mr Marco

^They are a little too Lexus for me, but I give you props for the dedicated set of Hankook snows.

potmilkz

you paid 1K for those? omg what a rip!

erick3

bolt pattern bolt pattern bolt pattern! i didn't see anyone mention it above, but did i read that right? who said they would...fit?

vinnier6

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i believe that was 1k for the wheels and tires together...i dont think thats too bad for a winter set up...

man thoes are some ugly wheels, but for a winter set up, i dont think looks are important...

potmilkz

then again.. in socal.. we dont need winter setups.

i think a set of OEM bmw rims would be cheaper since its only for winter.. 1k is alot to come up unless your growing a money tree at the back of your house

Harald

Those wheels are about $100 each and the tires are also about $100 each. Then add spacer rings/nuts with locks/mounting/balancing and oh yea, we have 9.5% sales tax around here (but no state income tax so the govt's gotta get there money from somewhere). I'm not seeing ripoff pricing here for what I got.

I'm just glad the tire aren't as expensive as the factory 19" Michelin Pilot Sport summer tires which I know from experience cost over $400 EACH! I'm hoping my wife is a little more carefull about hitting potholes or curbs because that's what killed that one tire I had to replace after the sidewall ended up with a couple huge bulges from impact.

SkeltonHogs

Hi can you share your experience re running your TL without center rings and BMW size bores please. You've been driving only on the bolts holding up the car and would love to know how it held up and for how long
thanks for sharing

echodigital

JoelHondaTL

Has anyone done this? I have a set of winter tires and need rims, all I'm seeing are these used BMW rims that are actually pretty cheap compared to 18 inch ugly steel rims. However from my limited research the bolt pattern works (5x120), the bore size can be fixed with those rings but Im confused on the offset dimensions and how that plays into things rubbing? One seller says he thinks they are 35mm, is that too much? I'm thinking I should just get the steelies to play it safe.

echodigital

I wouldn't bother with used rims. You don't know the condition of them. I drove out for an hour and half and back to pick them up (deal). Then 2 trips to tire place because you can't really fit 2 sets of tires in a TL and I found out that 3 out 4 were fubar'ed. I got a great 'deal' on 'scrap metal'.

Got these 17's because I wanted to switch from Honda Steelies with X-Ice3's to Alloys. I think these alloys are manufactured by Enkei because they have a mushroom icon on the edge of the rim.

https://www.envywheels.com/search-by...412bb0&size=17

If you want to go 18s:

https://www.envywheels.com/search-by...412bb0&size=18

You have a lot of choice but I would avoid used rims unless you know exactly how to check them.

JoelHondaTL

yeah Im a bit worried the price is good for 18s, 200CAD for the set, some place called auto broz. I might go have a look just to see. 120 for tpms sensors off amazon, could be a great time in the winter for $320, new rims like those i'm gonna be spending triple.

With that said I can just do a tire swap on 1 set of rims. They charge 60 to do that service. 120 a year to keep everything looking nice and stock.

echodigital

Mine was a private sale so I got hoses. If it's at a shop, I think they wouldn't sell you crap. I am sure they can confirm if rim will work on the TL.