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RV6 09-14 AWD TL V2 Long Tube Jpipe + HFPCs Dyno Test and Tune Session with KTuner
Finally putting our new mechanically linked AWD Dyno to use. We are now able to accurately dyno and tune SH AWD Hondas without having to disconnect driveshaft or computers.
RV6™ is excited to introduce KTuner as a proven ECU tuning options for the 09-14 TL. Thanks to a local member loaning us his 2012 TL AWD we were able dyno our V2 Jpipe and HFPCs™. As well as work with our partner KTuner to tune these modifications and provide ECU base maps which will work right out of the box with RV6™ products.
Our test car was tuned using KTuner end user unit which allows for the reflashing of the factory ECU maps. The maps we developed on our test car will be included with KTuner purchases. Tuning optimized the engine to make more power and cleaned up the anomalies in the factory tune which caused dips in power for a smooth power curve.
Finally putting our new mechanically linked AWD Dyno to use. We are now able to accurately dyno and tune SH AWD Hondas without having to disconnect driveshaft or computers.
RV6™ is excited to introduce KTuner as a proven ECU tuning options for the 09-14 TL. Thanks to a local member loaning us his 2012 TL AWD we were able dyno our V2 Jpipe and HFPCs™. As well as work with our partner KTuner to tune these modifications and provide ECU base maps which will work right out of the box with RV6™ products.
Our test car was tuned using KTuner end user unit which allows for the reflashing of the factory ECU maps. The maps we developed on our test car will be included with KTuner purchases. Tuning optimized the engine to make more power and cleaned up the anomalies in the factory tune which caused dips in power for a smooth power curve.
nevermind i read the other threads. been off the site for a while now.
man gotta get someone in with jpipe, ceramic pcd, port matching, thermal spacers and all that other shit couple guys here have done oh and the ct icebox... see how much all that money/work did.
so we now have dyno plots with jpipe alone, hfpc alone, hfpc + tune, combined, and combined with ktuner. I think the only one we haven't seen is what ktuner can do with a bone stock shawd.
out of curiosity - what is the consensus on whether any of these components are legal and would pass smog in CA?
can you pass the sniffer and/or visual test with the HFPC or J-Pipe? or will it pass the sniff test but if they look too close you flunk the visual? technically any change in an emissions component is a fail..but maybe they don't notice...anyone pass CA smog with any of these on their car?
out of curiosity - what is the consensus on whether any of these components are legal and would pass smog in CA?
can you pass the sniffer and/or visual test with the HFPC or J-Pipe? or will it pass the sniff test but if they look too close you flunk the visual? technically any change in an emissions component is a fail..but maybe they don't notice...anyone pass CA smog with any of these on their car?
looks like the jpipe and HFPC make nice gains...
I doubt HFPC would pass smog check.
J-Pipe would pass smog. Visual... unless they prop your car up and look underneath and spot it as being an aftermarket pipe, it should be fine
If I had to pick one thing about having my car tuned that I really like, it would be how linear the acceleration is compared to having it modded without the tune.
Even the transition into VTEC is smooth,so while the bolt on mods do add power, the tuning helps in the delivery of that power and as Richie alluded to earlier, helps to smooth out the dips and peaks.
out of curiosity - what is the consensus on whether any of these components are legal and would pass smog in CA?
can you pass the sniffer and/or visual test with the HFPC or J-Pipe? or will it pass the sniff test but if they look too close you flunk the visual? technically any change in an emissions component is a fail..but maybe they don't notice...anyone pass CA smog with any of these on their car?
looks like the jpipe and HFPC make nice gains...
I think a HFPC + J-pipe would pass smog and it depends on visual if the tech knows what he's looking for. Pre-cat deletes would not pass for sure.
I'd like to do the hfpc + ktune, ideally through one shop but the dc area is somewhat sparse in this aspect, but maybe i just have not looked hard enough yet hah.
21awhp for $1000ish worth of bolt-on mods is pretty awesome. I have the same combo and I couldn't be happier with it.
As for passing smog, I would bet it would still pass with the HFPC's and J-pipe. In Colorado my car won't have to get tested until 2019 but I'm not too concerned anyway. My brother used to have a 96 Civic DX. We did a B18B swap, turbocharged, running OBD1 with Hondata and no cat and it still passed emissions.
I'd like to do the hfpc + ktune, ideally through one shop but the dc area is somewhat sparse in this aspect, but maybe i just have not looked hard enough yet hah.
I'm in the same boat. Located in central Maryland. Pretty sure Evans Tuning in PA could do it. He's tuned all of my cars in the past (Turbo GSR, DSM, S2000). Guy is a beast.
I'm in the same boat. Located in central Maryland. Pretty sure Evans Tuning in PA could do it. He's tuned all of my cars in the past (Turbo GSR, DSM, S2000). Guy is a beast.
And of course Colorado would pass but in CA its different such harsh smog laws..
And it looks more towards $1700 for the parts plus $200 or so to install so $2k for 25 hp and 17tq is a pretty good deal... Bout $100 for 1.3 hp not bad..
Look at the Acquired Date, not the print date. The date it's printed has no relevance.
The baseline was done. Parts were added. Another dyno session. Parts were added. Another dyno session. Rinse, repeat. This was spanned out over several days. 7/31 to 8/5 as you can see from the acquired dates.
This is awesome! I don't have the HFPC but I'm curious to see what my numbers are with RV6 J-Pipe / Magnaflow mufflers / Takeda intake. December can't get here soon enough!
And of course Colorado would pass but in CA its different such harsh smog laws..
And it looks more towards $1700 for the parts plus $200 or so to install so $2k for 25 hp and 17tq is a pretty good deal... Bout $100 for 1.3 hp not bad..
How do you figure? RV6 HFPC's are $575 and the J-Pipe is $475. That's $1050 in parts. Install it on your own for free and you will get 21awhp for just over $1k. I don't have the KTuner so I didn't factor in the extra 4awhp for $700.
Look at the Acquired Date, not the print date. The date it's printed has no relevance.
The baseline was done. Parts were added. Another dyno session. Parts were added. Another dyno session. Rinse, repeat. This was spanned out over several days. 7/31 to 8/5 as you can see from the acquired dates.
Going by acquired both were done on 8/2 separated by 14 minutes one at 9:32 one at 9:46pm
Well that's a different engine, and I would hope the head has more flow, but it's totally possible. In the future I'm sure we'll see the full extent of what cams and exhaust can do, maybe head work if someone goes crazy. It's great that this is now open for its full potential.
Well that's a different engine, and I would hope the head has more flow, but it's totally possible. In the future I'm sure we'll see the full extent of what cams and exhaust can do, maybe head work if someone goes crazy. It's great that this is now open for its full potential.
Cams.... I NEED CAMS!!!! Where to find them I been hunting where could I find them!!! lol
with the TLs it seems you go with jpipe or HFPC + ktune for bang for the buck. Intake and exhaust don't seem to do much apart from cosmetic/noise. Also for ease of reversibility I think the jpipe is looking better than the HFPC.
California smog laws are very strict, so i doubt a HFPC will pass. I never tried, I took mine off before the tests, never really put them back on after that.
with the TLs it seems you go with jpipe or HFPC + ktune for bang for the buck. Intake and exhaust don't seem to do much apart from cosmetic/noise. Also for ease of reversibility I think the jpipe is looking better than the HFPC.
True I did read that HFC, Intake, Borla Catback got +29hp at the wheels with the J-pipe for the V6 accord. Even saw one saying when he did put the j-pipe in the mic he lost power. So the "Bang for the buck" was the HFC, Intake, Exhaust. One interesting fact with the guy who said he lost power he Had PCD and he put his stock j-pipe in and got more power.
So from what I read seems like
PCD, Stock J-pipe, Cat back
HFC, After Market J-pipe (He said catless J-pipe) and Cat back
This was on DriveAccord.net I think the site call and even link me to V6performance.net
so we now have dyno plots with jpipe alone, hfpc alone, hfpc + tune, combined, and combined with ktuner. I think the only one we haven't seen is what ktuner can do with a bone stock shawd.
I have a bone stock 09 AWD + KTuner graph. I'll print it out when I get a chance. We melted some wiring on the dyno so I have get that fixed before I power it up again.
Originally Posted by VanyDotK
Nice to finally see some numbers from a dyno! Was this from a 6MT or AT?
AT. In all my years I have yet to see a 4G MT in person its practically a unicorn. .
Originally Posted by 23109VC
out of curiosity - what is the consensus on whether any of these components are legal and would pass smog in CA?
can you pass the sniffer and/or visual test with the HFPC or J-Pipe? or will it pass the sniff test but if they look too close you flunk the visual? technically any change in an emissions component is a fail..but maybe they don't notice...anyone pass CA smog with any of these on their car?
looks like the jpipe and HFPC make nice gains...
These components are sold for off road use. People have reported passing the sniffer with a stock tune on the 3G TL. The visual varies on where you take it.
Originally Posted by jterp7
Md does obd....will the hfpc pass that?
HFPCs will not trip a CEL........
Originally Posted by smokinacura
so how much is the tune package? PIPE + HFPCS + Tune?
If you buy all 3 I can cut you a deal just send me a PM or email.
I have a bone stock 09 AWD + KTuner graph. I'll print it out when I get a chance. We melted some wiring on the dyno so I have get that fixed before I power it up again.
AT. In all my years I have yet to see a 4G MT in person its practically a unicorn. .
These components are sold for off road use. People have reported passing the sniffer with a stock tune on the 3G TL. The visual varies on where you take it.
HFPCs will not trip a CEL........
If you buy all 3 I can cut you a deal just send me a PM or email.
I know most here have had good experiences with yours, but even on this forum there is discussion on premature failures of hfpc's and I've heard about some hfpc's that can cause a CEL. More likely I would do the Jpipe since it seems to be more easily reversible option, though would be far easier to see if they bother to look under the car at all. In my recollection, my station here does OBD and then tests the exhaust (moco MD).
I'd like to do the hfpc + ktune, ideally through one shop but the dc area is somewhat sparse in this aspect, but maybe i just have not looked hard enough yet hah.
I know of a few shops in the DC area that would install all of it
I know most here have had good experiences with yours, but even on this forum there is discussion on premature failures of hfpc's and I've heard about some hfpc's that can cause a CEL. More likely I would do the Jpipe since it seems to be more easily reversible option, though would be far easier to see if they bother to look under the car at all. In my recollection, my station here does OBD and then tests the exhaust (moco MD).
08-25-2015, 12:52 AM
RV6 09-14 AWD TL V2 Long Tube Jpipe + HFPCs Dyno Test and Tune Session with KTuner
