i am ready for a new car, and want another somewhat sporty car...ie type s...i would even consider the tsx v6 if it were to come in a type s model, but none of the other cars in acura's line up are inspiring me right now...

any buzz out there on a type s of any sorts for acura

 

not sure when the next acura type s will be. I agree there are no acuras i have any desire to get atm. If i was to get another car besides my acura i would definately not get another acura, besides a used nsx. Acura seems to have gone away from the sporty car theme and who knows if they will ever go back. So many amazing cars were removed from the lignup and never replaced. I think these cars would still sell like hot cakes. Imagine if we got updated versions of the crx, integra, cl, s2000, legend, nsx. Oh and that cr-z doesnt count that car is crap. over 2500 lbs with a 0-60 over 10.5 seconds. Even if you do the 8k$ spoon upgrade package the car is still over 7 seconds to 60 mph. How can ppl call this a sport coupe. That is not sporty to me.

 

Didn't the 4th gen SH-AWD "replace" the Type S?

 

If their previous timing was indicative of anything you'll probably be waiting about another 2 years if they do decide to do a new Type S.

They've already distinguished the TL a bit by having the SH-AWD version, so until they figure out a way to further boost the powerplant they won't be doing a Type S.

 

They don't have to necessarily increase hp (390hp would be nice though), they can inprove on the looks of the car, and add some more gadgets to the car. I think the 4g has potential.

 

I HOPE there's a Type-S coming. Who knows?

 

Even though the SH-AWD has more power, 6SPD & AWD, it didn't really replace the Type-S.

If Acura sticks to their previous model release cycles, a Type-S or high-performance trim version should be released sometime around summer 2011.

 

We'll see.

 

thats what i heard from a salesman at acura but we'll see

 

OMG ANOTHER thread on this?

 

+1.

 

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Usually the last 2 years to boost sales and gain interest

 

Serouisly lol

But one thing i don't understand about people asking for a type s, is that the price of the car will go higher. A lot of people are already complaining about how expensive the SHAWD is and how prices go up every time a redesign come's out. Correct me if im wrong please but an Acura TL SHAWD cost's around 42k MSRP with Tech. So just by adding a type s edition that would jump the price to maybe 47k. Im not sure the difference between the 08 base tl to the type s. That 5 extra thousand might put the new type s out of many people's price range. With that kind of money i think some would just rather get a BMW or an Audi. Don't get me wrong, hell the 4G Type S would be so sick with more horses, a 6sp auto and other kind's of type s equipment. I would fork over the extra K in a heartbeat but that's just me. But if it were really offered would everyone?

Just my

 

It's just like people saying they think a V-8 will help sales. They don't get it.

We just need to wait for the 5G.

 

The next Type S is about as real as Santa Claus.

But If you really, really want one, buy a SH-AWD w/6MT, and then do some mods....air intake, bigger exhausts, Brembo's, or heck, even a supercharger.....and then order a Type-S logo and slap it to the back of the trunk lid....then, bingo, there's your "Type-S!"

 

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Howya figure? What did the 07 type S do over the base TL? Stiffer suspension, more powerful engine, more side bolstering on the seats, availability of a 6MT. What does the AWD TL do over the front drive? It has a stiffer suspension, a more powerful engine, more side bolstering on the seats, the availaibility of a 6MT, and adding SH-AWD which happens to improve the sporty performance of the car more than any other addition.

This isn't very different than being able to buy a Prelude Si in 1996 but Honda discontinued the Si for 97 but gave us the SH model.

 

If you want one that bad than do what PetesTL said!!!

 

Wether they call it a Type S or not, the 2012 MMC will bring more of the upgrades some are looking for in a potential Type S. I don't think anyone really cares if they call it a Type S or not as long as it is slighty beefed up compared to the current model. Being that the usual Type S treatments are already present on the SH, there is not much to do in this regard, which is a good thing because the price won't over inflate. Besides I don't think Acura really wants to spend the money to produce another trim when they already have the SH which is sportier than any Type S to come before it.

If they were to come out with a TLS, I wouldn't expect it to be anything close to the current SH. It should have it's own advanced package, V8 or FI, larger rims, distinquished styling accents and cost near $50k.

To come out with an MMC makeover, with improvements to the brakes, suspension, steering, plus 6AT, and adding more HP, doesn't warrant a Type S and the cost of an added trim. That would just be the SH's MMC which should already be considered the Type S of this generation compared to last. They could very well go with this normal upgrade and decide to label it the TLS instead of the SH but that would be for marketing purposes only.

 

Based on recent Honda logic, I would envision IFFFFFF there is a type S:

Signature intstrument light color / gauge cluster
Different interior color / stitching combo
Special Floormats
Magnetic suspension (parts-bin)
6AT (parts-bin) or 6MT with lighter / non dual-mass flywheel
Larger 4 pot calipers on the front, 2 pot on the rear
Slightly different tails, color matched headlight internals
Type S Badging
Type S Exhaust Note / Different Exhaust Tips
+20 HP through less restrictive exhaust and intake runners / staged intake/vtec
-100lbs of noise deadening material / spare tire (but not likely)
19" Enkei Derived Type S wheels with 255 or 265 bridgestone rubber
Tech package and AWD standard

The thought that this would be an MSRP 50k car is just absurd....and they'd probably make an ugly wagon out of it, like they have with the zdx, accord, and tsx....

 

Since I don't think a type S is gonna happen anyway, may I suggest they leave the SH-AWD set up the way it is other than ditching the moonroof and disabling the power to the front wheels (making it the SH-RWD). Shave $1500 off the price due to a less complicated front end and roof, slap a type S badge on it and call it a day.

6MT only, if you aren't willing to DRIVE then F@#k off you don't deserve a type S.

 

Why would you delete the sunroof on a luxury car?

 

i believe the new 2010 3.7 LT thats what u can call Type S....

 

Because it's a type S. S for sporty, no hole in the roof = superior torsional rigidity and better handling and as a side benefit weight reduction. Ask anyone who drives a Porsche Cayman if they miss the sunroof when they carve a corner, hell they pay $6000 more for a version of the car with no sunroof than what you pay for a version of the car with a fully automatic convertible top

Although I will admit that if the good folks at Acura were to read my Post and bring my vision to life, the lack of a sunroof and the secrets the ninjas held would raise it to type R status.

 

Im pretty sure they wouldn't make it cheaper. Even if it's cheaper to build one. Just because it's a Type S. Im sure they'll make it more expensive.

 

You're missing the entire point of the TL. It's a sport luxury sedan. LUXURY is part of the equation. A sunroof, and I GUARANTEE you this, wouldn't improve its handling a lick in sensory or measurable variables. Put it on the Ring and it wouldn't take second off the time.

Also, you're comparing sportscars, again missing the point of the TL.

M5s, CTS-Vs, RS6s, E63s, and XFRs have sunroofs for a reason.

 

My honest feeling is that there won't be a true S model....period. The whole point of going from the 3G to the 4G was to make the TL more upmarket, more luxurious, and more family-friendly. If Acura wanted to emphasize more sport, they would've kept the 4G the same size and weight as the 3G....but they didn't. They later added the 6MT version to just satisfy the small group of "enthusiasts" out there. But this is as far as they're going to go in my opinion. All this talk about V8's and fancy turbo's is nothing more than fantasy. Acura stated last year that their aim in the next decade was to emphasize more green and alternative fuel technology, and to not be caught up in the "horsepower" war. The next version of the TL that will very likely materialize will be a hybrid. Acutally, my dealer mentioned some time ago that a hybrid TL will most likely show up in next year's auto shows.

 

I wouldn't mind a hybrid TL, in fact. Something like the GS but without the CVT nonsense. I could see an easy 350 horsepower and SH-AWD making for a fast and efficient beast.

Only concerns of mine are weight and packaging but the trunk is already so worthless in so many ways already that it matters little.

 

I think a good hybrid model would be something like keeping the 3.7L but adding a 90-100hp electric motor....400 total hp!......If Acura could find a way to keep the price under $50K, there might be some interest.....but they gotta change the design first and foremost.....as well as adding a 6AT.

 

Something like that, yes.

 

I don't really think I'm missing the point of the TL but you may be missing the point of a type S. As you can see from this post I'm saying the Type S is alive,the only change is that the Type S moniker is gone and has been replaced with the SH and every upgrade you got from the previous Type S is part of the upgrade in the SH model now. The only thing that is missing is a couple of Type S badges. However as to the point of the car, I'm taking away 1 luxury item to make it a Type S. The Type S is supposed to be the sportiest version of the car, not the most luxurious. You make it sound as if I've asked for the car to be gutted and turned into a 2 seater with no stereo and no AC.

This post here is me drinking the same Kool Aid as the folks who think we are getting another type S. Since we are living in a fantasy land of V8's and turbos which would only make the car more expensive than Acura can justify , I decided to take a fantasy approach that actually makes the car more sporty, lighter, and would keep costs down.

On this I whole heartedly disagree with you and I believe autocrossers world wide are on my side. There is a very noticeable difference in the rigidity of the chassis when the car has a full roof. Now you can say I'm missing the point of the TL because I bring up autocrossing but again, we are talking Type S here so adding sportiness is a requirement.

As a side note the Acura model that in reality has the best residual value ever had no sunroof (it isn't the NSX btw). More than 10 years after it stopped being produce they still sell within a few thousand dollars of it's original MSRP even if it has 70K miles on it or more. Sometimes stepping outside the box can create an automotive legend.

 

The point of Type-S Acuras are the same as anything else in its league: more performance.

However, and this is the reason I still say you're missing the point, the point of a sport luxury sedan is that you don't compromise much in the process. It's different if it's more of a sport sedan plain and simple like the STI, Evolution, or Mazdaspeed6, for examples. But in a LUXURY sedan you shouldn't be giving up the luxury, not aside from a firmer suspension or something of that nature. The thing is, in Europe your opinion would probably work much better. Didn't the RS4 come in a form with no sunroof, manual seats, and manual rear windows? But there's a reason it wasn't brought like that to America. People who buy sport luxury sedans want SPORT AND LUXURY. No sacrifices, or at least not many of them. It would far and away be the sportiest Acura with the sunroof left intact.

And you're dead on when I'm going to say you're missing the point by talking about autocrossing. What percentage is going to take their TL Type-S to ANY kind of track? Not many, because that's NOT what this car is for. Autocrossing is NOT what this Type-S was for. The RSX Type-S, yes.

And the highest residual valued car in a brand doesn't actually mean anything, either for your position or mine.

What I think you need to realize is that just because there's a universal tag like "Type-S" doesn't mean they all have to be one way. Are the X5M and M3 coupe designed for the same thing? No, they're both sporting but for varying purposes.

 

That point about autocrossing is in reference to your GUARANTEE that the lack of a moonroof doesn't increase handling capabilities. Solid roofs do make the chassis less flexible and increase performance this is a fact not an opinion. Whether or not the TL will be autocrossed is irrelevant as to fact that it would improve performance.

I'm not talking about ALG residuals, I'm talking about what an ITR costs today if it is relatively unmolested. I bring the point up because even though the car did not have a sunroof, it is still highly desirable. I think desirability of a vehicle does mean something.

I'm also talking about an addition to the TL line up not a replacement for any current offering. Unfortunately with Acura when they come up with a type S vehicle, it pretty much is one way with maybe the option of transmission choice. With the RSX it was one way, manual transmission, only pick a color but not all colors are available. 2nd Gen TL/CL were nav or no nav pick a color but not all colors are available. The most varied Type S car Acura made was in 2003 with the CL type S when you had a whopping 4 options, nav or no nav, automatic or 6MT and if you got the 6MT you had to make sacrifices. The 6MT CL type S did not have VSA, it was left out of the vehicle however they added a helical limited slip differential. They also took away your "High/Low" heated seat option and left you with "On/Off". The 3rd gen TL type S was a pick a transmission affair they all had nav. So in Acura's eyes, Type S has historically meant one way and sometimes you make some luxury sacrifices to get the performance advantages of a Type S.

All TL's will be sporty to a degree but will be designed for varying purposes, the Type S should be the most sporty.

 

Oh yes. I'm sure the autocross time at a given track would go from :45.5 to :45.2. In fact I'd be surprised if the improvement would be that much on average. If you took a TL non-sunroof and a TL sunroof to an auto-x and ran 10 times each the time difference would be so minimal and you know this. YES .3 or less would be an improvement but while that might be worth it in an Evolution it's not worth it in a large, heavy luxury sedan. It just isn't. It's a SPORT LUXURY SEDAN, not a sportscar. Delete the sunroof on your 3-Series coupe, not this.

Nor am I opposed to them offering an dealer orderable sunroof delete on a sport model but I wouldn't recommend them coming like that standard.

Do you think a lot of the current 4G TL SH owners would forgo, say, power windows or air conditioning or a premium audio system to save weight? No. But it would improve their performance right? Well TECHNICALLY yes but it's not worth it in this type of vehicle. It just isn't.

Again, the value is pointless in this discussion. No one said cars without sunroofs are UNdesirable.

"So in Acura's eyes, Type S has historically meant one way and sometimes you make some luxury sacrifices to get the performance advantages of a Type S."

Not really, no. Yeah the ride is harder and all, but sacrifices in luxury features or comfort features, no. What features were lost in translation with either generation TL Type-S? Even if they did something like just an on-off seat heating feature, that would be like having the sunroof with a slide but no tilt feature. The feature and thus the weight is still there.

I also agree the TL Type-S should be the most sporty, but deleted features doesn't have to be the way you go about it. Firm the suspension up, fatter tires, more power, and save weight in little ways so the weight change isn't much. Sporty does not mean delete features.

 

I'm not sure what a new "S" type would bring to the table above the existing SH AWD, six-speed manual transmission model with tech package. The car handles well, has plenty of power and the manual transmission is a pleasure to use. It's a competent sports sedan.

Having said that, Honda really needs to re-think the next generation of TL: Make it prettier on the outside, make it more practical on the inside (I'm talking the center stack here) make it faster, make it lighter.

I'm getting a little tired of seeing Acura, Lexus, Infinity, others "covering" the competition the way sailboats do in a close race (mirroring each others' moves). The "don't screw up, don't let the opposition get too far ahead" school doesn't make for an exciting spectacle. Rather, it leads to mediocrity.

It would be nice to see a little design/handling/engineering leadership from Honda as it grapples with the next generation of its cars. I like my ugly 2010 TL but I'll jump ship in a heart beat in the next buying cycle if Honda follows the crowd.

just my $0.02.

 

Your argument is becoming ridiculous and you are no longer reading. In the 2003 CL type S if you went with the manual transmission you LOST Vehicle Stability Assist AND High/Low heated seats. While the CL and TL are different cars Acura is the same manufacturer and they DID delete a luxury feature in the process of making it a type S.

I took one feature away, ONE, that's it. You said this not me and again this is taking the argument to the ridiculous. I took away the moonroof for handling purposes, a side benefit is weight reduction. I said before and I'll say again, I'm not asking for a gutted interior.

 

Ridiculous? You need to calm down.

You said the CL. Unfortunately for you the 2G 3.2CL Type-S is the only one that really deleted features on that level. The RSX Type-S, 3.2TL Type-S, and TL Type-S never demonstrated a loss of the features the CL did. So where is this Type-S tradition of erased features? On top of that you keep saying CL-S with manuals, so it it JUST for manual CL Type-S models? That weakens your case even more.

The irony is that you said we need to think outside the box and then you cling to a "tradition" (of deleted features). Makes little sense here.

P.S. Something like heated seats moving to one mode is not taking the feature away. Does it still have heated seats? Yes. The difference is that the sub-feature is gone, or whatever you want to call it. Like I said, this would be like removing the tilt feature on the sunroof but still keeping the sunroof. Again, ironic.

 

I don't see how showing you that they have done it in the past weakens my argument. When I say remove one feature and liken it to removing the power windows, AC and stereo, I say ridiculous. In regards to the CL-S 6MT being the only one to lose a feature, how come I could get an RSX as an automatic transmission but I couldn't have the luxury of not working the clutch in an RSX type S?

Again changing my words to suit your argument, I said "Sometimes stepping outside the box can create an automotive legend." You change it to, "we need to think outside the box." There is a difference between sometimes stepping outside the box, the need to do it.

You also fail to acknowledge that I'm not proposing taking any current version of the TL away and that this new type S (which again, I don't think is happening in any shape or form) would be an addition to the line up. A type S isn't supposed to suit everyone, that's why they have the other 2 versions.

 

Because they did it....ONCE. You ran with that one time and said "Type S has historically meant". No, no they did it once. Now Over the years we've had what, four Type-S models (one CL, two TLs, one RSX). That's 25% of the time, or HARDLY tradition. Wasn't the CL Type-S the first Type-S as well? So since then they've moved away from making Type-S models that way, it's safe to say right? Either way it's hardly tradition.

You want no sunroof and your example of having no sunroof was "thinking out of the box" with the resale of some random Acura, directly related to why you want a deleted sunroof here. Now you're just dancing around wording and making this semantical.

More versions isn't always better, especially in a vehicle that is being made into a trackstar that won't still be a trackstar. Like I said, I wouldn't be opposed to a dealer order option to delete the sunroof but I can bet you a tremendously low rate of that box being checked. It certainly shouldn't come that way standard on the lot.