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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 12:57 PM
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As I mentioned, I do not consider myself an expert since for the past six years I was driving a Cadillac track (SRX V8). So it is quite difficult for me now to find minor differences between TL and G performance. Instead I left it for the REAL EXPERTS and concentrated on quality, styling and comfort during my test drives. Even though I did not test drive G37, I test drove several other competitors including Hyundai Genesis R (5L V8). In my opinion, TL might not be the best car to race in straight line, but it holds road well, fun to drive and most practical sedan money wise among the competition. By the way, I was extremely impressed by Genesis R. If it had optional AWD, I would not think twice what to buy.
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INFINITI G37X S
VEHICLE LAYOUT
Front engine, AWD, 5-pass, 4-door sedan
Front engine, AWD, 5-pass, 4-door sedan
ENGINE
3.7L/305-hp/273-lb-ft SOHC 24-valve V-6
3.7L/328-hp/269-lb-ft DOHC 24-valve V-6
TRANSMISSION
6-speed manual
7-speed automatic
CURB WEIGHT
3837 lb
3869 lb
WHEELBASE
109.3 in
112.2 in
LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT
194.0 x 74.0 x 57.2 in
187.0 x 69.8 x 57.8 in
0-60 MPH
5.3 sec
5.4 sec
QUARTER MILE
13.9 sec @ 99.6 mph
13.9 sec @ 100.5 mph
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH
117 ft
120 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION
0.90 g (avg)
0.85 g (avg)
MT FIGURE EIGHT
26.1 sec @ 0.78 g (avg)
26.8 sec @ 0.66 g (avg)
EPA CITY/HWY FUEL ECON
17/25 mpg
18/25 mpg


www.motortrend.com
TL is quite surefooted on the road, partly due to its sticky Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires and Super Handling All-Wheel Drive, which through a combination of side-to-side torque transfer and overdriving the outside rear wheel, effectively reduces the dreaded push. By virtue of being able to get on the gas sooner, it was slightly quicker than both the 335i and G37S Sport around the track, despite having the poorest power/weight ratio of the test. “The SH-AWD really helps with power-on exits,” said Bornhop, “dramatically reducing understeer but not to the point of creating fun oversteer.” Its brakes, although generating the shortest stopping distances of the four, use noticeably smaller rotors (12.6 in. up front) and generate the least confidence through pedal feel.
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Yep, that is one side. There are others with different views.
Old Oct 5, 2011 | 01:00 PM
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HAHA! That's too funny.. the TL equals the G37XS in the 1/4 mile dispite having less HP but more torque.
Old Oct 5, 2011 | 01:03 PM
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HAHA! That's too funny.. the TL equals the G37XS in the 1/4 mile dispite having less HP but more torque.
zerotosixtytimes.com is another source for this information.

I actually don't care what any magazine publishes. I am very happy with my car as I'm sure you are happy with yours.

If you want to see how fast your car is compared to mine, englishtown raceway, wednesdays. Bring 30 dollars.
Old Oct 5, 2011 | 01:09 PM
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HAHAHA. You guys are funny. Maybe, just maybe, one day the Infiniti & Acura owners will get along and learn to compliment each others ride. HAHAHA
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Originally Posted by g37guy01
zerotosixtytimes.com is another source for this information.

I actually don't care what any magazine publishes. I am very happy with my car as I'm sure you are happy with yours.

If you want to see how fast your car is compared to mine, englishtown raceway, wednesdays. Bring 30 dollars.
I wouldn't want to hurt your feleings.. I can't be that cruel. You will need that 30$ for your car payments anyway
Old Oct 5, 2011 | 01:18 PM
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Let's be clear I'm making a judgement on the exterior of the tl to the exterior of the G. I'm making a judgement of the interior of the last tl I was in vs the G.
While exterior is more understandable as you could have seen them anywhere, interior is difficult to call unless you have been in one and preferably the latest one as that is the one in question here.

For me, interior was an absolute no-brainer. I would take TL any day of the week. Reasons - more spacious (quite noticeable to me), softer and better supporting seats, fit and finish of materials (G seems plasticky), GORGEOUS screen, intuitive buttons layout (though I can see how TL may intimidate some at first).

The only edge G may have is if you get the wood accents for luxury feel, and even then some may prefer one over the other. And I don't even need to mention about Tech, as that is much better in TL (though G does have 2-3 points in its favor).

Can you elaborate on your reasons for prefering the G37 interior? Won't really change my decision, but good for the thread and future reference I think.
Old Oct 5, 2011 | 01:19 PM
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HAHAHA. You guys are funny. Maybe, just maybe, one day the Infiniti & Acura owners will get along and learn to compliment each others ride. HAHAHA
The funny thing is I respect Honda for what it has done and really like Honda engineering. their cars have always been virtually bullet-proof. It's just that at this point, other cars for various reasons were a better fit than the TL.

It's just that there are always those who can't be objective. Not you Stew.
Old Oct 5, 2011 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by diddy_nyc
HAHAHA. You guys are funny. Maybe, just maybe, one day the Infiniti & Acura owners will get along and learn to compliment each others ride. HAHAHA
I have nothing against Infiniti's at all. They ride great and well made. I have several friends that own them and ride in them once in a while.

The only thing I have a problem with is peeps talking about things they know nothing about.
Old Oct 5, 2011 | 01:24 PM
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If you want to see how fast your car is compared to mine, englishtown raceway, wednesdays. Bring 30 dollars. --- Actually, as I previous Infiniti owner (I-30 and G-35) I do not dispute that comparably equipped Infiniti G was always faster than Acura TL (straight line) and by the way “Zero to Sixty” does not test drive cars, just collects data from different sources. If you really want to go fast, please check Hyundai Genesis R 5.0.

http://www.zeroto60times.com/
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2012 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 R-Spec 0-60 mph 4.7 Quarter Mile 13.1
Old Oct 5, 2011 | 01:25 PM
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I have nothing against Infiniti's at all. They ride great and well made. I have several friends that own them and ride in them once in a while.

The only thing I have a problem with is peeps talking about things they know nothing about.
Me 2. I feel the same way.
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g37guy - Who has sent you to the Acura forum to cause such problems among our members? HAHAHA
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g37guy - Who has sent you to the Acura forum to cause such problems among our members? HAHAHA
I was wondering that too
Old Oct 5, 2011 | 01:47 PM
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While exterior is more understandable as you could have seen them anywhere, interior is difficult to call unless you have been in one and preferably the latest one as that is the one in question here.

For me, interior was an absolute no-brainer. I would take TL any day of the week. Reasons - more spacious (quite noticeable to me), softer and better supporting seats, fit and finish of materials (G seems plasticky), GORGEOUS screen, intuitive buttons layout (though I can see how TL may intimidate some at first).

The only edge G may have is if you get the wood accents for luxury feel, and even then some may prefer one over the other. And I don't even need to mention about Tech, as that is much better in TL (though G does have 2-3 points in its favor).

Can you elaborate on your reasons for prefering the G37 interior? Won't really change my decision, but good for the thread and future reference I think.
I don't like the brushed aluminum G interiors. But I have a white g37 with the wheat interior and rosewood accents. Looks absolutely gorgeous and classy. Better than any TL interior I've seen.

Some of the small touches really amaze me, like the auto telescopic steering wheel to auto-adjust if you move your seat back.

Not saying TL doesn't have these, and I realize the whole styling thing is subjective anyway, but I think the G just in general has a more muscular stance and more classic type of look (which I like) than the TL.
Old Oct 5, 2011 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Acurrat
As I mentioned, I do not consider myself an expert since for the past six years I was driving a Cadillac track (SRX V8). So it is quite difficult for me now to find minor differences between TL and G performance. Instead I left it for the REAL EXPERTS and concentrated on quality, styling and comfort during my test drives. Even though I did not test drive G37, I test drove several other competitors including Hyundai Genesis R (5L V8). In my opinion, TL might not be the best car to race in straight line, but it holds road well, fun to drive and most practical sedan money wise among the competition. By the way, I was extremely impressed by Genesis R. If it had optional AWD, I would not think twice what to buy.
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Acura TL SH-AWD
INFINITI G37X S
VEHICLE LAYOUT
Front engine, AWD, 5-pass, 4-door sedan
Front engine, AWD, 5-pass, 4-door sedan
ENGINE
3.7L/305-hp/273-lb-ft SOHC 24-valve V-6
3.7L/328-hp/269-lb-ft DOHC 24-valve V-6
TRANSMISSION
6-speed manual
7-speed automatic
CURB WEIGHT
3837 lb
3869 lb
WHEELBASE
109.3 in
112.2 in
LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT
194.0 x 74.0 x 57.2 in
187.0 x 69.8 x 57.8 in
0-60 MPH
5.3 sec
5.4 sec
QUARTER MILE
13.9 sec @ 99.6 mph
13.9 sec @ 100.5 mph
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH
117 ft
120 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION
0.90 g (avg)
0.85 g (avg)
MT FIGURE EIGHT
26.1 sec @ 0.78 g (avg)
26.8 sec @ 0.66 g (avg)
EPA CITY/HWY FUEL ECON
17/25 mpg
18/25 mpg


www.motortrend.com
TL is quite surefooted on the road, partly due to its sticky Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires and Super Handling All-Wheel Drive, which through a combination of side-to-side torque transfer and overdriving the outside rear wheel, effectively reduces the dreaded push. By virtue of being able to get on the gas sooner, it was slightly quicker than both the 335i and G37S Sport around the track, despite having the poorest power/weight ratio of the test. “The SH-AWD really helps with power-on exits,” said Bornhop, “dramatically reducing understeer but not to the point of creating fun oversteer.” Its brakes, although generating the shortest stopping distances of the four, use noticeably smaller rotors (12.6 in. up front) and generate the least confidence through pedal feel.
www.roadandtruck.com
I am curious as to why you compared the 4G 6MT with the HPT package to the 7AT version of the G37x . The OP is looking at a 2012 4G SH-AWD 6AT. If your going to use mag stats you should at least try to be as close as possible without misleading others.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test

The 2012 4G doesnt have a HPT package anymore and the 6AT is not that impressive when compared to the G37x 7AT. Unless of course thats why you didnt want to show a closer apples to apples comparison. From a performance standpoint when comparing the AT versions the TL really isnt even in the same league IMO.

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Unless of course thats why you didnt want to show a closer apples to apples comparison. – I posted it because I found it in one place. I tried to find a newer version of G37, but could not find it. I did however mentioned that “I do not dispute that comparably equipped Infiniti G was always faster than Acura TL (straight line)”. I did not dispute that Manual G is faster than manual TL and Auto G is faster than Auto TL.
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^ More rubbish. You quote a post staing the TL is very much in the same league as the G37 yet you say otherwise. According to many claims, the 6AT runs very close the the 6MT.

what is your agenda here?
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what is your agenda here? I am not sure if this question was addressed to me. In case if this question was for me – I do not have any agenda. I just explained why I did not bother to test drive G37.
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what is your agenda here? I am not sure if this question was addressed to me. In case if this question was for me – I do not have any agenda. I just explained why I did not bother to test drive G37.
Sorry, not directed at you at all. I should have quoted Mr. G37 so that I was more clear.

Like, you, I didn't test drive the Infiniti either though not for the same reason. I have nothing against the G37. My only complaint is that they everywhere and their styling isn't my flavor.
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I did not test drive it because in my mind G-37 is very close to my previous G-35. It was enough “improvement” for me to test drive it.
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Sorry, missed “NOT” in my previous post. Anyway, my working day is over. Talk to you later guys.
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 02:42 PM
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Sorry, not directed at you at all. I should have quoted Mr. G37 so that I was more clear.

Like, you, I didn't test drive the Infiniti either though not for the same reason. I have nothing against the G37. My only complaint is that they everywhere and their styling isn't my flavor.
So why are you in this thread if you didn't test drive the G37. I think you didn't test drive the G37 along the same lines as why I didn't test drive the TL.

You had an opinion about the car and you didn't feel like persuing the purchase. Heres a tidbit, you are entitled to do so as am I.
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So why are you in this thread if you didn't test drive the G37. I think you didn't test drive the G37 along the same lines as why I didn't test drive the TL.

You had an opinion about the car and you didn't feel like persuing the purchase. Heres a tidbit, you are entitled to do so as am I.
Hmmm.. one last tidbit to you.. this site is the Acura and TL site.. which I happen to own own a 1) Acura & 2) A TL.. that would be a big reason why I am here and commenting.

I wonder what would happen if I went to your G37 site and did the same.. how many G37 guys would jump my ass for not having driven one yet making comments on how the TL is superior, in my opinion (if I was feeling that way)? I doubt you see my point.
Old Oct 5, 2011 | 03:14 PM
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Hmmm.. one last tidbit to you.. this site is the Acura and TL site.. which I happen to own own a 1) Acura & 2) A TL.. that would be a big reason why I am here and commenting.

I wonder what would happen if I went to your G37 site and did the same.. how many G37 guys would jump my ass for not having driven one yet making comments on how the TL is superior, in my opinion (if I was feeling that way)? I doubt you see my point.
I would think if you went to the site and started trash talking down on the G you would get heck. But I have only discussed what I knew of first hand and have behaved in a respectful manner as I do on all forums.

You would be more than welcome by the members there to register on my37.com and post and discuss questions related to these two vehicles in a respectful manner. Even in a tl vs G thread which you didn't decide to test drive because of x,y or z reason, you could still voice your opinion about the car.
Old Oct 5, 2011 | 03:28 PM
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OMG, YOU just don't get it and I'll just drop it after this. I never accused you of trash talking, being disrespectful or anything. I even tried to be respectful in my first posts.. but it's a waste of time... I agree to disagree.
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Come on guys - chill! I know I - and I am sure several future shoppers considering these cars - welcome all viewpoints, even if person has not driven latest version of car X or Y (but has hopefully some exposure to it). Yes, people will 'adjust' the comments in their mind if that's the case, but it is as helpful for me to know why someone did not consider TL or G37 at all, and then evaluate how important that aspect is to me or not.

I think many will agree that these are both excellent cars for their price and pretty close to each other to be very close competitors (at least in my mind). Beyond that, it is all individual tastes, preferences and priorities.
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Hey, no problem.. if you don't mind a person giving you advice on a subject without prior knowledge, so be it.

Excuse me for calling a spade, a spade. Sheesh
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OMG, YOU just don't get it and I'll just drop it after this. I never accused you of trash talking, being disrespectful or anything. I even tried to be respectful in my first posts.. but it's a waste of time... I agree to disagree.
No I got it. I can't post an opinion on the styling because I haven't driven one. I can't post an opinion on the interior because I haven't driven one.

The bad news is I like this site, it's always great when the 'real' enthusiasts are ummm enthusiastic.
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No, it is actually good you called that out so we have the right perspective on that. Like I said, people will discount the advice accordingly as they see fit.

As for me, my mind is already made (go TL!) and I don't see it changing for any reason any more .
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No, it is actually good you called that out so we have the right perspective on that. Like I said, people will discount the advice accordingly as they see fit.

As for me, my mind is already made (go TL!) and I don't see it changing for any reason any more .
Thanks.

I won't carry on responding to him as he wants to continue the .. "argument?" Sorry to have derailed your thread. Most of all, congrats! As would be expected, you made the best choice
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Actually that's right. Always congrats on a new car.
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Thanks to everyone who provided their thoughts both ways!

Now if only the refinance folks can hurry up and close it already, so I can actually get the car!
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@sarge_in if you hop over to myg37.com and search for my userid, same as here, I have pics of the interior so you can compare. Would be interested in your thoughts on it. Click on the members link, click on G. I'm on the 5th page. Click on my userid, then click on the Garage tab.
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@sarge_in if you hop over to myg37.com and search for my userid, same as here, I have pics of the interior so you can compare. Would be interested in your thoughts on it. Click on the members link, click on G. I'm on the 5th page. Click on my userid, then click on the Garage tab.
I took a look at your pics - very nice indeed! There is only 1 pic there of the interior though and unfortunately not much can be seen. But I have seen that accent during my (several) test drives so I know it well - and it looks very nice no doubt. To be honest, in general I would always prefer to have wood accents for the luxury feel it provides. But, just in the case of TL, the controls etc are so tech oriented and futuristic looking that I think wood accents would look out of place in that car. The look and feel of TL interiors fit in very well with the overall personality of the car, IMO of course.

And like I said earlier, it is not just about accents. It is several other things such as space, placement of controls, their intuitiveness, the feel of the seat (very important, of course) and to me all of these are much better implemented in TL. And most of all, that low res screen in G makes it look like a 2007 rather than 2011/2012 car. Infiniti should be ashamed of putting that screen in a $37K car.

As I mentioned, there surely are things that G has that I wish TL had - power telescoping steering and seat that move automatically when coming out (though someone earlier mentioned they disabled that), birds eye and 3D view the NAV has, ability to play DVD and video (really angry that Acura didn't provide this ability after putting in such a nice screen, but this may probably be fixed using the NavTool that should be coming out soon). Honestly, that is about all I can come up with in G's favor of interiors. Of course, this is all subjective, so YMMV.

Even the exteriors, I started off preferring the G, but over time have found myself liking the TL more, esp the TL rear as it is so unlike anything else on the road.

The only advantage for G in my eyes now is its performance over the base FWD TL. Which is why I decided to go for the SHAWD version, in which case I think they are quite equal or even better for TL.

It may be worthwhile for you to go for a test drive in a 2012 TL. If you do get to ride in it, would love to hear your thoughts about it!
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i love the styling of the G37 inside and out, but until they make the AWD models in manual, im staying away.

and using the navi while driving would be a plus. if there was an emergency in which you need to be driving and searching for a hospital or something, you are pretty much screwed.
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i love the styling of the G37 inside and out, but until they make the AWD models in manual, im staying away.

and using the navi while driving would be a plus. if there was an emergency in which you need to be driving and searching for a hospital or something, you are pretty much screwed.
You can reprogram the nav with voice, but I haven't tried it. In the event I need to search for a poi, I do have nav software on my phone that I can use, which fortunately is much better than the poi databases on most nav devices.

I think though that gm on star and lexus enform are the real ways to go if you want to get a new destination enroute.

Regarding your other comment about the manual I drove one for 12 years. I drove through traffic clogged streets to get to work, so I ditched the manual. My next M3 will have a manual. lol.
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@sarge_in: thx for the feedback. I've watched part of the matrix on the screen, I was surprised about how good the picture was and how great the sound was.

I'll see if I can scarf up a test drive in a '12 and report back.
Old Oct 6, 2011 | 09:55 AM
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Hmm, just not sold on the G series much infiniti save for the coupe...but that loses me on the latest generation. The Nissan Altima coupe looks more appealing. The G has a been there done that jelly bean-used bar of soap look to me.
Old Oct 6, 2011 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by compewterbleu
Hmm, just not sold on the G series much infiniti save for the coupe...but that loses me on the latest generation. The Nissan Altima coupe looks more appealing. The G has a been there done that jelly bean-used bar of soap look to me.
The altima and altima coupe are ugly in my opinion. To each their own.



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