g37guy01

The Sonota I rented for a month had a wallowy suspension. I did not like it one bit. I guess I'm more of a firm suspension guy.

SeismicGuy

Hey Glashub--forgot to ask the obvious. Where in the LA area did you end up getting your Genesis? The dealer experience I had was another negative that steered me away somewhat. I went to a dealer on Van Nuys Boulevard (Keyes?) that was really makeshift. They definitely seemed "not ready for prime time" and did not even have a brochure for the car that they could show me.

I noticed they are now almost finished with a glitzy Hyundai facility right across the street which will make them look more serious. Interestingly, the Acura dealership on Van Nuys Boulevard now looks like the poor cousin to all the other dealerships on the Boulevard.

BEAR-AvHistory

I think the $47K R spec with 429chp & an 8AT is their performance version. It has Sachs ASR shocks & 19” wheels, heavier sway bars etc. which you have to believe is tightened up some what over the regular V8.

Glashub

Glendora Hyundai Doug. Keyes sucks. I'm glad you didn't do business with them. My wife has an Elantra and they took advantage of her when she went in for servicing. They told she needed a timing belt and a number of other things that weren't due for 20k miles.

Now that said, I'd use them for leverage in negotiations and might buy the car from them if they had the best price.

Glashub

One thing I didn't mention is that Hyundai does something that's really cool. If you participate in their Hyundai Think Tank you then become eligible for employee discount pricing. If you put $500 in Motozuma, Hyundai and Acura will match it after 30 days.

https://www.motozuma.com/vehicles.aspx

Also, used Zag.com to negotiate as well. Hope this helps.

saturno_v

It is firmer but it is not that much firmer.....more comparable to an E class AMG than a 550 or an M5....definitely less sporty demeanour than a 550....

BEAR-AvHistory

As I said I have not driven but based on its size I think a E class style handling would be a good match. Not sure about an AMG package though.

jspagna1

It's alot of car for the money for sure. Very nice looking car. Kinda reminds me of the 00-06 Lexus LS430.

Umalum1990

Thanks for the write up. I am nearing the end of my lease (09 sh-awd) I am seriously considering the Gen 4.6, but the whole service deal that you mentioned is bothering me. I owned a 05 Lexus GS and the service at Lexus was incredible. Acura service experience has ben on par with Lexus, possibly better due to Service Advisor. I know that I will not een get close to the level service from Hyundai. Would love to get into a new Lexus GS, but the starting price point is high, and with options it is out of my range.. same with Infiniti M37. I am seriously leaning towards the 12 sh-awd. This write up really helped me out (you didn't bash the Hyundai, but you certainly kept going back to Acura... and I think I concur)

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2 pages in and still no pics?!

Glashub

lol Everytime I try to upload an image from Dropbox it results in a broken link. Here is the URL to several pics of my Genesis. I'll try and get night pics over the weekend because the LED treatments over the front head lights is very cool.

Here is the URL to the PICTURES OF MY GENESIS - http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/36556...nesis?h=680755

RIneuron

Here is the URL to the PICTURES OF MY GENESIS - http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/36556...nesis?h=680755[/QUOTE]

It DOES look like a Bentley!

Stoianoff31

i wish they did more with the interior to give it that extra luxurious look. Some of the buttons are the same in the elantra and sonata and that bugs me. for 40k and comparable to the lexus ls460 and bmw 5 series it just doesnt have that flash it needs on the inside.

g37guy01

I'm not bashing the Genesis, because it's a great value...but saying it's equivalent to an LS460 with plasticy knobs and wallowy ride, is like saying a $20 timex and $80K rolex are equivalent except for the gold and diamonds.

saturno_v

Sorry but I do not agree with your parallel at all....look at the Genesis underpinnings....it is a very sophisted platform, from suspension geometry and design, engine design, chassis materials......on par with the best......they just still lack on finishing materials (they have to cut cost somewhere to be that price competitive)
A Rolex is on another planet from a technical design standpoint compared to a Timex beyond the gold and the diamonds.

A Genesis is much closer to a BMW, Audi, MB or Lexus than a 300C from a technical sophistication point of view...

Glashub

Certainly not a Timex. You really should test drive the 2012. The silver buttons are a turn-off but the fit and finish of the interior is superior. Again every Acura I've owned had creaks and rattles. This Genesis is rock solid. It ain't gonna drive like an Acura but it is no longer wallowy. They improved the suspension in 2012. If they can master the slight body roll effect then they will have a real winner.

Alter_Ego

Nice write up.... I for one would never consider a Hyundai.. Especially at those prices.

Ant$

your genesis is HOT

when I bought my 2010 tl sh-awd 6mt, i considered the 4.6 Genesis...even though only the Genesis Coupe came with the manual trans. quite frankly, living in philly and having just gone through a winter full of blizzards (first of TWO consecutive blizzard filled winters...hopefully this winter isn't bad), i needed the AWD.

I'm disappointed the the Genesis 5.0 R-spec doesn't come with AWD...

Glashub

You remind me of this guy -

I come out of a store to find a guy looking over my 2012 4.6 with badges. He says: "Man what a gorgeous car. The paint job, the fit and finish, everything is just incredible.

He then asks, "Is this an Aston Martin?"

I replied, "No, it's a Hyundai."

"What's it cost?"

"About $45,000 but you can get it for less."

He looks at me with disbelief and shock in his eyes and says very loudly like I’m probably the stupidest person in the world:

"YOU PAID $45,000 FOR A HYUNDAI? YOU COULD'VE GOTTEN A BMW FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD".

I calmly pointed out that just a moment ago he thought it was an Aston Martin and that yes $45,000 would certainly get him a BMW but probably nowhere near as well appointed with a 10 year warranty.

He turned and walked away without another word. That's contempt branding for you.

Glashub

Yes, I agree. The R-spec is kind of a poser for now. Next year or two they'll make it more of what an R-spec should be.

Lot's think the Genesis is an old mans car. I tell you there are young guys who are tricking this car out really nice. There’s a guy who modded his 4.6 to 421 hp. Imagine what a guy could do with a 5.0, 429 hp and 379 ft.lbs. of torque (the R-spec).

Edward'TLS

But in terms of chassis tuning, European sedans are typically tuned for good handling performance.

Rarely there is an European sedan with a big Caddy's cruise-ship feel.

Same with Acura. Even though Acura's sport sedans are underpowered (when compared with their top competitors), they sure have good handling capability.

BEAR-AvHistory

When Honda which only had the Civic at the time introduced the Accord people said the exact same thing. We all know how that turned out don't we?

saturno_v

Yes, the American market generally prefer softer puffier cars...even the European cars for the US market are tuned a bit differently than the the same car for Europe.

This does not automatically imply that these cars are "inferior"...just different and someone may actually like that kind of tuning.....ersonally I prefer sportier too, this is the reason why I would not buy a Genesis in its current form but I recognize that it is a hell of a car for the money....

Not really....you should have tried the E Class I rented in April in Italy....pretty close to old fashion Caddy land yacht standard....sharp steering but very wallowy...

SeismicGuy

One thing I noticed and was wondering about Hyundai is that they seem to get quite high horsepower out of their engines. The 3.8 gets about 330 and the 4.6 got about 380. Now the 5.0 gets 429. Not to shabby for normally aspirated engines.

saturno_v

Hyundai's Lambda V6 and Tau V8 engines are truly world class, bare none.....they are among the best.

Edward'TLS

Not only the V6 and the V8 are world class, even the 4-cylinder DI engines from Hyundai are now on par with the Honda 4-cylinder engines in terms of output-hp/liter; and Honda has the highest output-hp/liter figures for it's line of naturally-aspirated 4-cylinder engines.

Alter_Ego

Do you guys honestly think that Kia, Hyundai or even BMW for that matter can build a better quality car than Acura ? I don't know what you've been smokin'

jzacuto

I have to say, the quality of my Acura TLs has been phenomenal. But times have changed and so has the economy. Pushing the $50K envelope for a 2012 TL SHAWD w/ Advance was just too much.

nanos

great comparo! Always good to hear from first hand experience instead of just what people read in the magazines.

BEAR-AvHistory

Sure why not. Consumer Reports pulled Civic off thier recommended list so anything is possiable.

Edward'TLS

We already have this $50K even-better-equipped "2012 TL SH-AWD" sedan : the 2G RL from Acura.

But it doesn't sell.

Buyers aren't willing to fork out $50K for an Acura sedan. PERIOD.

Alter_Ego

Do you think it's only the price tag that keeps them from selling ? I mean, I like the RL. Never owned one but I really like them.

Glashub

imo, the style is ancient and conservative...too much like an Accord. People paying app. 50k want at least the option of an 8 cyl., etc and they want differentiation from the rest of the line up in size, engine, etc. Also, rwd would help. There's a lot to choose from at 50k.

I really like the RL but that look seems like its been around since 2005. Maybe the new one (if there is one?) will make amends.

SSFTSX

Dont count bhp alone.
There is Infiniti IPL coupe 350bhp from 3.7L. but that
car is not that much faster than the revised M37. 0-130mph in 25 seconds.
M37 is clearly down 100bhp than 5.0 Genesis but only a 1 second difference in 0-100mph timing that without Infiniti using ultra performance summer tires.
In normally aspirated engines no one can beat Nissan.
Infiniti 7 speed gear box 4 year old. Hyundia is now introducing 8speed.
once Nissan gets 8speed. things will be even more lopsided.
Than there is M35H. It is willl blow past any normally aspirated V8 competitor.
why would some one want to pay $50k for Hyundai when $55K Infiniti is going save tons of money at pump. Almost 100% more fuel efficient.

http://green.autoblog.com/2011/10/20...-fuel-economy/

These timing are in rain. In US tests it is even faster.
http://green.autoblog.com/2011/09/21...-world-record/
Infiniti M35h sets hybrid 1/4-mile Guinness World Record

Edward'TLS

Yes. If the current RL carries a $40K price tag, it will sure sell like hotcakes.

The RL is one fine sedan from Acura, except that it is overpriced.