metalblaze

Folks - its been couple of weeks since the '09 TL FWD is on sell...yet, only one entry in the "4G TL Owners Sign in" ...? Is everyone waiting for the SH-AWD to be in the market or what? If I remember correctly, Acura predicted that the TL FWD w/ Tech package will be their biggest seller...I wonder if things are going to be the same as Audi, where the bulk of the cars sold have Quattro (at least in the US).

Cheers,
- M

AsianRage

I'm waiting until the SH-AWD model is available so I could test drive it and see if it's a good candidate for purchase.

erick3

^ +1 for sure - not sure about the 40K + price tag though...

legionofdoom

Same here. Also waiting for the stick. Unless I'm floored, I'll probably wait a few years to upgrade though since I don't need a new car and still really enjoy my 05 TL.

KeithL

I'm waiting on the G37 sedan

Or the MMC or 5G....

ChrisQ1980

I'm going to test drive it. On paper and from the reviews it's really nice (perfomance wise) I just won't ever buy one based on the looks. I'd rather have the 3g TL, or just up the displacement to a 3.5 on my current TL-S

PetesTL

When I was test-driving a G35 about a month ago, the dealer told me the new G37 sedan will most likely sticker around $44-45K!.....and that's without AWD! They upped the ante though with more power and a sweet trans. (The new G37 convertible looks sweet, too!)

PetesTL

If there was one car I wished I had test-driven, it would be the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO MR......from reviews, the car will run with a 335i, far outhandle it in corners and is much cheaper. From pictures, the interior is much improved and offers more options now like Bluetooth, touch-screen NAV, and the much anticipated dual-clutch trans......plus AWD is included. In the end, I'm glad I chose the TL as the EVO, despite giving you a lot for your money, is too much "Ricer-look" for me.....maybe if I was about 15 years younger....

Mpunk

There's no way that a G37 sedan would cost that much at MSRP fully loaded. First, as of this writing, the dealers don't even know what the prices are because Nissan hasn't set the price on the Infiniti G37 sedan/coupe yet. Second, the dealer was likely quoting you the "market adjustment price" (dealer markup), which can be pretty much anything they want. An '08 G37 coupe 6MT with Nav and Tech Pkg is about $44K MSRP so the G37 sedan should be several thousand dollars cheaper.

Besides, no one pays markup unless the car is in high demand and low supply. When I went to the local Audi dealer earlier this year, they had a $10K markup on an '08 RS4. When we started talking numbers, they immediately threw off the markup and "settled" for MSRP, and I'd only been there less than 15 mins. Today, the same car is selling for about $66K, or about $10K off of even the orig. MSRP and the car is brand-new. In this economy, I don't think any dealer could get away with too much markup if any at all; they'd be lucky to get people qualified to buy cars.

Mpunk

I think that Acura is making a big mistake if they're really set on waiting till Nov. '09 to release the 6MT TL. Who knows where the economy will be by then? I can understand that they need additional time and development and testing but a whole year?

A month ago Edmunds Inside Line reviewed the '09 Subaru WRX and commented that Subaru reworked the suspension, redesigned the grille, and boosted power for a car that's been totally redesigned and put on the market less than a year, and this was after Edmunds lambasted Subaru for f--ing up their beloved WRX in '08. Maybe Acura will take the model year to redesign the grille and upgrade the aesthetics? But as probably a lot of you here will say, "There's only so much lipstick you can put on a pig."

AsianRage

I would love to test drive the 6MT SH-AWD and see if it's worth it. I'll be in the market for a AWD sedan a year from now so it'll be the ideal time to start looking at Acura when that particular model is available. Hopefully, Infiniti will make available a G37X sedan for me to cross shop . And the RL as well...

Stash

MT purchases only make up 5% of sales on TL's so they aren't losing much by waiting.

I am just waiting a few months hoping the economy tanks, interest rates drop, and there are lots of cars on the lots to get a good deal.

Mpunk

True, but if you've ever driven an MT car back-to-back with the auto version, you have to admit that the MT usually spices up the mix and def. adds to the "sporty" character of the car. But if you want an '09 TL you'd probably get a killer deal by looking at something "slightly used." Hehe, you could even buy TLsux's car and save thousands! lol

If you go to cars.com and look up the '08 IS-F nationwide search, you'll see cars with ~1500 mi for like low to mid $50Ks. But regarding the '09 TL, I'm sure that Acura will throw some $ in there to sweeten the deal if sales don't "take off" as expected. Toyota is already offering up to 60 mos. 0% interest on the Camry, Matrix, Rav4, etc. and these are its top sellers. And Toyota has a lot more cash to burn than Honda. I'd say Honda would be very inclined to start throwing in the incentives by December if the '09 TL sales disappoint, even in this current downturn.

KeithL

on g35driver.com they posted what are supposed to be the G37 prices, supposedly the Journey is up about $850 with I think the AWD up around $1800 if I recall, no where near $44K unless you get a coupe. But then Infiniti keeps delaying the G37 since they have so much excess inventory. They currenlty have $4K discounts under invoice, makes it competitive with an Accord

ostrich

Yes, if I am going for the new TL, I want the SH-AWD...

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Keith, have you read the road test of the G37 sedan in C&D? The car gained 22hp, 1lbft of torque, but also 120lb of extra weight. In the end, the performance numbers aren't any better than the current G35 Sport. But they did say the car is brand new without many miles on it.

rets

Yes. I am. Wish I would have chance of trying it in the first week of Nov.

ostrich

Oh no! I wonder if the G37 has even worse gas mileage than the G35 then? If so, then it's a bit of a pointless exercise in increasing the engine size... except to just boost the horsepower number for the bigger is better American game...

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

If I remember correctly, the 6MT model still has the same gas mileage, but the 7AT model should gain 1-2mpg. Now, the 120lb gain is for the 6MT model (ie, G35S 6MT vs G37S 6MT, the G37S 6MT gained 120lb). I don't know if the 7AT is heavier or lighter than the previous 5AT.

But I guess the point is, the 4G TL FWD gained about 100-150lbs, but that's because it has grown much bigger in dimensions. The G37 on the other hand, is the same size as before.

PetesTL

To me, HP's ratings are over-rated....it's the torque numbers, gearing, and curb weight that make the biggest difference in real-world power. It's nice Nissan, Infiniti, and Acura keep shoving more HP into their cars, but with the weight on these cars ballooning every year, it's becoming more and more just a marketing gimmick.

rondog

iTrader: (1)

6 speed with AWD for me, I won't even entertain the idea of anything else right now.

princelybug

iTrader: (16)

I want to see the 4G 6MT Type-S. I have an inkling it'll be offered for the '12 model year.

KeithL

Yeah I have read that. I am not after the HP. I was hopeing the G37 woudl improve some of Infiniti's weakness int he NAVI. Their voice commands are not as extensive, also no TPMS in the display. Also wanted to see if they somehow got the car a little quiter, current G35 has much more road noise that a TL. Also they say the G37 is a little more refined and smoother than the buzzy (I never felt the G35 was buzzy) G35. And finally want that CD changer out of the trunk, takes up too much of the trunck opening. My big problme is I LOVE my Type-S and have a renewed love for it this week, I think I'll give the dealer another try an quieting the buzzy back deck whihc would probaly stop my new car itch for while.

lumpulus

I'll be looking at it, as it's time to trade my 06 RL, and I won't be buying an 09 RL with that ugly beak.

wildchild_8635

I was waiting on the SH-AWD. Theyre saying December before it releases here. but it outfits around 42k with tech and 19s. I drove the FWD and decided not to get into trouble. That extra horsepower will buy me a lot of extra days in the courthouse. But, I love the FWD. AWD wouldnt be bad at all.

TLorNotTL

Fairly good chance I'll buy the SH-AWD before year end.

ggesq

iTrader: (1)

Be sure to post up your info in the 4G Sign In thread. It is a sticky at the top of the page.

PetesTL

Before I got my 4G TL, I talked to people at Acura who test drove both versions and they said they couldn't really feel the extra power in the AWD version...most likely due to the higher weight (300 lbs more than the FWD). If you live and commute in a big city like I do, the SH-AWD would be a waste in my opinion.

CleanCL

iTrader: (4)

300 lbs or not, 20 hp and 20 tq is going to make a difference. not to mention the handle of the awd will be entirely different. don't forget, these people at acura are trying to sell cars, and it looks like they did their job since you have one.

PetesTL

Have you driven the AWD car? How do you know? .......weight makes a HUGE difference. Try putting a 300lb guy in your car and tell me it doesn't affect the performance.........and don't tell me the car you're driving now wasn't "sold" to you. (I test drove 5 different cars before getting the TL.....all the dealer did was provide the paperwork).

blakura

That actually sounds like an awesome deal on the G35, maybe Acura will do the same thing when the next gen. g37 debuts

blakura

I'm definitely waiting for the 2010 TL SH-AWD 6MT, but i still like my '08 TL-S so who knows

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Yea, seems like the car got a bit more refined which is a good thing. Did you test drive the 6MT or 5AT before? I never heard any problem with buzzing in the 5AT, but the 6MT model..there's quite a bit of vibration.

Mpunk

Obviously I haven't driven the G37 sedan or the 7-speed transmission but the 5AT in the G35 had absolutely no issues. My 3G TL 6MT has absolutely no vibration either, but when I test drove an '07 G35S sedan 6MT and an '08 G37 6MT coupe back-to-back, the shifter was vibrating like a dildo! It got super annoying during both test drives. I don't know how much I could tolerate it if I had bought either. It's too bad that Nissan didn't upgrade the torque because even the IS350 has higher torque numbers. It's a really good engine line, the VQ, I just don't know how come Nissan spent all its attention on the hp numbers and nothing else.

CleanCL

iTrader: (4)

what makes my comment invalid and the acura salesman's valid? have YOU driven the awd model? how do YOU know? i've driven the 3.5L RL AWD and the GS350 AWD. the GS350 is almost indentical in power and weight as the 4G TL AWD. i also drove the FWD 4G TL. i'll let you guess which one 'felt' faster.

KeithL

5AT, and maybe that is what they were tlaking about, becasue I felt the 5AT was mooth, just more road noise than the 3G.

S2000 Driver

SH-AWD w/Tech Package and HPT option on order.

Hope to take delivery on 5 November or thereabouts.

S2000 Driver

Pete,

You are correct.

juruki

iTrader: (2)

SH-AWD + TECH package will cost over 50k out the door. I think thats a little too much.

TLorNotTL

SH-AWD + TECH package will $43k MSRP (where do you get over 50?).

Finally stopped by the Acura dealer on my way home from work today. Sat in the tech-model (didn't test drive) - the fit and finish is really nice. Looks great - saw the white, paladium silver, polished metal, and grigio - all good.

Rep said SH-AWD model will be within two weeks for people to test drive, but the can't actually sell them until Nov.