Does anyone know this car
#1
Does anyone know this car
found this car on craigslist its a 2010 acura tl sh awd 6 spd, /posted in Washington , going to look at it on Wednesday just wondering what you all thought , http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...004706613.html , thanks Dan , owner said he purchased car in 2012 from Maryland
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#2
found this car on craigslist its a 2010 acura tl sh awd 6 spd, /posted in Washington , going to look at it on Wednesday just wondering what you all thought , http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...004706613.html , thanks Dan , owner said he purchased car in 2012 from Maryland
#3
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i would stay away, its got a replaced motor..
it is 2 owner car..
unless the motor was replaced by acura themselves i wouldnt do it..
also his price is very high for what the milage is on the car.. id say wait for another one to pop up on the market.
it is 2 owner car..
unless the motor was replaced by acura themselves i wouldnt do it..
also his price is very high for what the milage is on the car.. id say wait for another one to pop up on the market.
#4
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Don't recognize the car but it appears there's a lot of orange peel on the paint?
#6
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i wouldnt be scared of a swapped car, but the price they want for that swapped car is too fuckin high.
thats what's scary about it.
they want as much as a non-swapped car...get the fuck outta here.
if one isnt scared of a swapped car, and can get the price down to where you are absolutely stealing the car...it would be a fun project.
if one is looking for a daily, one should look elsewhere
thats what's scary about it.
they want as much as a non-swapped car...get the fuck outta here.
if one isnt scared of a swapped car, and can get the price down to where you are absolutely stealing the car...it would be a fun project.
if one is looking for a daily, one should look elsewhere
#7
Three Wheelin'
That trunk is definitely not original. See how the "Acura" and "TL" emblems are down on the bottom of the trunk? That's not how it comes from the factory. He does say he "serviced the rear end?" Whatever that means. It should look like this.
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#8
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I'm guessing servicing the rear end he means he did the rear differential fluid for AWD?
#9
Team Owner
Also I don't buy his reasoning for replacing the motor. Makes no sense whatsoever.
If Acura messed up on the valve adjustment, he just takes it in and they do it again. If they can't do it again, they replace the engine on their dime, not his.
It's not really something that a trained technician should be screwing up. Even if so, that would mean the valves are out only a wee bit.
The seller seems like he's hiding something.
If Acura messed up on the valve adjustment, he just takes it in and they do it again. If they can't do it again, they replace the engine on their dime, not his.
It's not really something that a trained technician should be screwing up. Even if so, that would mean the valves are out only a wee bit.
The seller seems like he's hiding something.
#12
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every word on his cragslist ad is sketchy.
he knew he had to sell his car.. it has seen some hard miles
probably clean in VA but probably wrecked and never reported..
6 speeds only come in tech and navi and all of them come with hill assist from what i recall.
no he wrecked the engine by doing something to it, probably hitting that redline too hard and had to pay out of pocket to replace the motor... He probably messed up himself by adjusting the valves himself.
no one in their right minds would assume blame for dealer mistakes.
cheap coilovers.
cheap wheels but atleast he has oem ones to give you.
judging from how he does his work.. the exhaust was probably welded together horribly..
Probably forgetting lots of things but any questions please let me know.
Selling my car that i never thought i would.
Owned since 2012.
Clean VA title in hand.
Its a 6 speed manual which is rare, complete tech package with navigation, hill assist feature, all the bell and whistles.
It comes with the aspec package...
Clean VA title in hand.
Its a 6 speed manual which is rare, complete tech package with navigation, hill assist feature, all the bell and whistles.
It comes with the aspec package...
6 speeds only come in tech and navi and all of them come with hill assist from what i recall.
Car has 127k currently, the MOTOR Has 77k with documentation and mechanic paper work. I still have the original motor if you want it.
I had to change the engine because Acura messed up adjusting the valves and they started chattering and was beyond fixing and it annoyed me so purchased a used engine.
I had to change the engine because Acura messed up adjusting the valves and they started chattering and was beyond fixing and it annoyed me so purchased a used engine.
no one in their right minds would assume blame for dealer mistakes.
New Megan racing suspension with dampner so it rides smooth. You can raise the car back up if its an issue.
20 inch custom made ACE Wheels with all season tires that are warranty for 60k
These wheels have 9000 miles on them.
I also have the original 19 inch Acura wheels that came with car.
These wheels have 9000 miles on them.
I also have the original 19 inch Acura wheels that came with car.
Car has a custom built from the front to the back magaflow exhaust, deep tone and sounds great.
Probably forgetting lots of things but any questions please let me know.
#13
To put it in perspective, I just got one ('10 sh-awd, m/t) for not much more and exactly what fair purchase KBB retail was from a dealer a few weeks ago. Add tax and doc fees, but it was 69k miles on body and engine, no accidents, and none of the other stories this person has. The one posted has some nice additions but a checkered past IMO.
It may be worth additional inquiries and a check on the engine VIN. Title says "clean" but I don't know what impact an engine swap has. It may offer some leverage to do some aggressive negotiation.
It may be worth additional inquiries and a check on the engine VIN. Title says "clean" but I don't know what impact an engine swap has. It may offer some leverage to do some aggressive negotiation.
Last edited by Rancher2005; 03-21-2017 at 09:35 PM. Reason: additional comments
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There was a story a little while back on here about someones boss who drives a C63 and puts regular gas in it. Wouldn't you expect the first owner (who's probably rich) to fill the car with premium on a hand built mercedes engine? But that isn't the case always obviously. Now you could say that if you bought it from the first owner, you would have seen that it was being owned by an idiot, but I just don't get why people put a blanket statement on second owners (genuine questions here)
Anytime I post a car for sale (even 10+ year old ones with very high mileage) I get people asking if I am the first owner. When I tell them I am not they don't call anymore even though I took really good care of it and also the previous owner took really good care of it.
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Genuine question here, but why does a car being 2 owner make it bad? What if the first owner was an idiot and the second owner took better care of it because that was a lot of money to the second owner vs the first owner and therefore he's more careful towards it?
There was a story a little while back on here about someones boss who drives a C63 and puts regular gas in it. Wouldn't you expect the first owner (who's probably rich) to fill the car with premium on a hand built mercedes engine? But that isn't the case always obviously. Now you could say that if you bought it from the first owner, you would have seen that it was being owned by an idiot, but I just don't get why people put a blanket statement on second owners (genuine questions here)
Anytime I post a car for sale (even 10+ year old ones with very high mileage) I get people asking if I am the first owner. When I tell them I am not they don't call anymore even though I took really good care of it and also the previous owner took really good care of it.
There was a story a little while back on here about someones boss who drives a C63 and puts regular gas in it. Wouldn't you expect the first owner (who's probably rich) to fill the car with premium on a hand built mercedes engine? But that isn't the case always obviously. Now you could say that if you bought it from the first owner, you would have seen that it was being owned by an idiot, but I just don't get why people put a blanket statement on second owners (genuine questions here)
Anytime I post a car for sale (even 10+ year old ones with very high mileage) I get people asking if I am the first owner. When I tell them I am not they don't call anymore even though I took really good care of it and also the previous owner took really good care of it.
Like everyone said, being the 2nd owner is not that bad it what he says and he changed the engine. Would you buy this car for the amount he is selling it for? I would not. I brought my car a few months ago and before I brought the one i have,I found one 103,000 on the clock 2010 with rust all over the engine for a great price. The owner told me he had no clue to why the rust was there and the car fax came back clean. Anyone in there right mind wouldn't buy that car who knows what kind of trouble you would run into down the line. It's always better to walk away if you have any doubts when spending that kind of $.
#18
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Genuine question here, but why does a car being 2 owner make it bad? What if the first owner was an idiot and the second owner took better care of it because that was a lot of money to the second owner vs the first owner and therefore he's more careful towards it?
There was a story a little while back on here about someones boss who drives a C63 and puts regular gas in it. Wouldn't you expect the first owner (who's probably rich) to fill the car with premium on a hand built mercedes engine? But that isn't the case always obviously. Now you could say that if you bought it from the first owner, you would have seen that it was being owned by an idiot, but I just don't get why people put a blanket statement on second owners (genuine questions here)
Anytime I post a car for sale (even 10+ year old ones with very high mileage) I get people asking if I am the first owner. When I tell them I am not they don't call anymore even though I took really good care of it and also the previous owner took really good care of it.
There was a story a little while back on here about someones boss who drives a C63 and puts regular gas in it. Wouldn't you expect the first owner (who's probably rich) to fill the car with premium on a hand built mercedes engine? But that isn't the case always obviously. Now you could say that if you bought it from the first owner, you would have seen that it was being owned by an idiot, but I just don't get why people put a blanket statement on second owners (genuine questions here)
Anytime I post a car for sale (even 10+ year old ones with very high mileage) I get people asking if I am the first owner. When I tell them I am not they don't call anymore even though I took really good care of it and also the previous owner took really good care of it.
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To put it in perspective, I just got one ('10 sh-awd, m/t) for not much more and exactly what fair purchase KBB retail was from a dealer a few weeks ago. Add tax and doc fees, but it was 69k miles on body and engine, no accidents, and none of the other stories this person has. The one posted has some nice additions but a checkered past IMO.
It may be worth additional inquiries and a check on the engine VIN. Title says "clean" but I don't know what impact an engine swap has. It may offer some leverage to do some aggressive negotiation.
It may be worth additional inquiries and a check on the engine VIN. Title says "clean" but I don't know what impact an engine swap has. It may offer some leverage to do some aggressive negotiation.
There's also "title washing" where a vehicle is moved from State_1 to State_2 where it might go from Rebuilt/Salvage to Clean as part of the registration process.
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#21
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I have a few theories:
1) Flood car requiring swap and body work or major damage from accident. Rear body was totally replaced.
2) Probably never seen an oil change and with the oil consumption problems probably destroyed the engine when limited engine oil available.
3) High ask prob to attempt to recoup money if had a high insurance deductible and pay for replaced motor
Either way, he would not have enough $ to pay me to take the car off his hands let alone the other way around.
1) Flood car requiring swap and body work or major damage from accident. Rear body was totally replaced.
2) Probably never seen an oil change and with the oil consumption problems probably destroyed the engine when limited engine oil available.
3) High ask prob to attempt to recoup money if had a high insurance deductible and pay for replaced motor
Either way, he would not have enough $ to pay me to take the car off his hands let alone the other way around.
#22
thank you all for info on TL ,we didn't go look at that car instead we went to Bridgewater acura and test drove two 2013 TL sh awd , one was a manual , we own a 2006 aspec tl 6spd , and wanted to test out the 4th gen ,as a manual type driver I must say I was very impressed with how well the 6spd automatic felt in the 2013 TL , we test drove both very hard and I was surprised how well the automatic pulled through the gears ,that being said I think we will purchase a automatic and there are way more of those for sale then 6spds , again thanks for all the help ,Dan
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Like everyone said, being the 2nd owner is not that bad it what he says and he changed the engine. Would you buy this car for the amount he is selling it for? I would not. I brought my car a few months ago and before I brought the one i have,I found one 103,000 on the clock 2010 with rust all over the engine for a great price. The owner told me he had no clue to why the rust was there and the car fax came back clean. Anyone in there right mind wouldn't buy that car who knows what kind of trouble you would run into down the line. It's always better to walk away if you have any doubts when spending that kind of $.
My personal opinion and generally speaking - is the idea that the original owner who purchased the car new, likely had more financial resources to keep up with maintenance and upkeep than an 3-4th owner who bought the car for 75% off of the MSRP. Hypothetically speaking, the subject vehicle's service history is consistent, documented and verified. Of course a multiple owned vehicle can be better maintained than a one owner vehicle but just go look in the 3GTL forum for real world scenarios where 2nd, 3rd... owners are cheaping out on basic maintenance. In the end, a cars mechanical health should be far more important than its owner history but I would guess more often than not single owner used vehicles would be better maintained.
See, thank you. This logic makes a lot of sense to me rather than turning your nose up just because it is a second owner car.