Consumers "These cars to avoid"
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Consumers "These cars to avoid"
Okay..... I bite. Whats the reasoning behind this Consumers recommendation? I thought both versions of the TL were above average in reliability. Have people been having a great deal of trouble with the AWD?
These cars to avoid
Last reviewed: April 2011
These 2001 to 2010 models have records of below-average reliability and are listed alphabetically by make and model.
Acura
TL (AWD) '10
Audi
A3 '06, '08; A4 (4-cyl.) '03-05; A4 '02; A6 (2.7T) '04; A6 (3.0T) '10; A6 (V6) '01-03, '08; A6 Allroad '01, '04; A8 '04; Q5 '09; Q7 '07-08; TT '08
These cars to avoid
Last reviewed: April 2011
These 2001 to 2010 models have records of below-average reliability and are listed alphabetically by make and model.
Acura
TL (AWD) '10
Audi
A3 '06, '08; A4 (4-cyl.) '03-05; A4 '02; A6 (2.7T) '04; A6 (3.0T) '10; A6 (V6) '01-03, '08; A6 Allroad '01, '04; A8 '04; Q5 '09; Q7 '07-08; TT '08
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Hmmm.... the study must be funded by a domestic car company lol.
I donno, I havent heard of any major consistant issues with the car. A few rattles and blown speakers are pretty much the only consistant problems that i've heard of
I donno, I havent heard of any major consistant issues with the car. A few rattles and blown speakers are pretty much the only consistant problems that i've heard of
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Eh-um, there's no citation here...how can we tell this is legit website vs. advertisement for Buick?
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I've come to the conclusion, after many years of being a few steps away from them that Consumer reporters treat cars like they treat toasters or other appliances. Features mostly, such as reliability, safey, usefulness etc. Rarely am I struck with the notion, "wow, these guys really like to drive."
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Unfortunately, the link will only be valid to CR subscribers. I saw this list as well and I have a '10 AWD TL. Knock on wood so far, no major issues. I also wonder why only the '10 AWD TL is to be avoided. Why not the '09 or '11 models? Was there a drastic change somewhere? I think CR made a mistake here.
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That Audi list looks like they're playing bingo or something
"A1, A2, A3, A4, Q1, B2, C3, Q7 ... hell all of 'em... BINGO!"
"A1, A2, A3, A4, Q1, B2, C3, Q7 ... hell all of 'em... BINGO!"
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They also tell people to avoid the Civic and the CR-Z, they're smoking crack and are being paid by someone.
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Unfortunately, the link will only be valid to CR subscribers. I saw this list as well and I have a '10 AWD TL. Knock on wood so far, no major issues. I also wonder why only the '10 AWD TL is to be avoided. Why not the '09 or '11 models? Was there a drastic change somewhere? I think CR made a mistake here.
I though the 10 and 11 were mostly carryovers...with only the manual trans being new on the 2010
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recently i have noticed bias in consumer reports recommendations. for example they do not recommend the new civic. when i read that i though shit the new civic must really suck. however i drove one the other day as courtesy car and it was really nice. it was comfortable quite, maneuverable and 2 days of commute to work and home, and drive back to dealer, just $10 of gas! all city driving!
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I was scratching my head on this one too when the April issue came out. I meant to post something on here but forgot, so I'm glad someone did. I've been a long time subscriber to Consumer Reports and find them to be the polar opposite of say, Car and Driver. Interesting to get both takes though. Consumer Reports is way more reliability biased and of course Car and Driver performance biased.
Keep in mind, that the reliability (from what I understand) is solely determined by their annual questionnaire sent to subscribers. You check a box in each mechanical area if you felt there was a problem that caused significant inconvenience or downtime, something along that kind of wording. You're not supposed to check for routine maintenance, but it wouldn't surprise me if some less knowledgeable owners checked the box simply because they didn't like having to change the differential fluid so often. I'm grasping here, but who knows. I'm halfway tempted to email them to ask for more details.
Keep in mind, that the reliability (from what I understand) is solely determined by their annual questionnaire sent to subscribers. You check a box in each mechanical area if you felt there was a problem that caused significant inconvenience or downtime, something along that kind of wording. You're not supposed to check for routine maintenance, but it wouldn't surprise me if some less knowledgeable owners checked the box simply because they didn't like having to change the differential fluid so often. I'm grasping here, but who knows. I'm halfway tempted to email them to ask for more details.
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People do not believe the current generation Civic is a good buy, that's all. The interior looks too plastic and hard when compared to the competition that costs about the same. Their testers just aren't as impressed with the current generation Civic as they are by other, newer designs.
My 2010 SH-AWD? Never a regret, not for a moment. You'd have to spend 20 grand more than I spent to get the equivalent vehicle in another marque. Maybe our interiors are a little boring, but I'm not spending 20 grand just to get a less capable AWD in favor of different textures and contrasting colors in my interior.
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I'm assuming the automatics are the same way, but something I noticed with my 6-6 is that when you are in a hurry, or not, the car sort of behaves like a track car with an aggressive alignment.
The car doesn't exactly "hunt" for direction, but it seems to be just waiting for an input from the driver. It is eager to change directions, if that makes sense.
The FWD TL doesn't feel the same, and if someone's gone from an FWD Accord or FWD 8G TL to an SH-AWD 6-6 G9 TL, I can very well imagine that for that particular driver the aggressiveness of the SH-AWD might be a shock, and might cause him to say that it is a "problem" for him because it cannot be changed...it's not a suspension or alignment issue...it's what the car is supposed to be doing.
I know, in fact, of a business acquaintance who returned an MDX and bought a Mercedes because for him the SH-AWD MDX was too aggressive. He had to pay attention to it, and he didn't like that.
The car doesn't exactly "hunt" for direction, but it seems to be just waiting for an input from the driver. It is eager to change directions, if that makes sense.
The FWD TL doesn't feel the same, and if someone's gone from an FWD Accord or FWD 8G TL to an SH-AWD 6-6 G9 TL, I can very well imagine that for that particular driver the aggressiveness of the SH-AWD might be a shock, and might cause him to say that it is a "problem" for him because it cannot be changed...it's not a suspension or alignment issue...it's what the car is supposed to be doing.
I know, in fact, of a business acquaintance who returned an MDX and bought a Mercedes because for him the SH-AWD MDX was too aggressive. He had to pay attention to it, and he didn't like that.
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It's subjective...I believe that CR tries very hard to be objective, but they are influenced by the reports that their subscribers send them, and reports by the people whom they engage to test and rate the vehicles.
People do not believe the current generation Civic is a good buy, that's all. The interior looks too plastic and hard when compared to the competition that costs about the same. Their testers just aren't as impressed with the current generation Civic as they are by other, newer designs.
My 2010 SH-AWD? Never a regret, not for a moment. You'd have to spend 20 grand more than I spent to get the equivalent vehicle in another marque. Maybe our interiors are a little boring, but I'm not spending 20 grand just to get a less capable AWD in favor of different textures and contrasting colors in my interior.
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42,000+ miles already, and going strong.
People do not believe the current generation Civic is a good buy, that's all. The interior looks too plastic and hard when compared to the competition that costs about the same. Their testers just aren't as impressed with the current generation Civic as they are by other, newer designs.
My 2010 SH-AWD? Never a regret, not for a moment. You'd have to spend 20 grand more than I spent to get the equivalent vehicle in another marque. Maybe our interiors are a little boring, but I'm not spending 20 grand just to get a less capable AWD in favor of different textures and contrasting colors in my interior.
:-)
42,000+ miles already, and going strong.
So when you say you would have to spend $20 grand more for an equivalent vehicle it's not true, unless you define what is equivalent.
For $56K the M35 hybrid is one heck of a vehicle.
Don't want to start a war, but I'm countering an opinion with another opinion.
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When I say equivalent, we might include multi-vecotring AWD.
So we're talking (maybe!) vehicles like Audi Quattro cars with the optional Sports Differential, which isn't even available in some lines any longer.
Just as an arguing point, but fully accepting your observation and the validity of the message.
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I remember a G37 at the VIR event for journalists, and the TL was much quicker around than the G37.
The TL coming out of Oak Tree is an absolute beast, and on the stock 19" wheels and tires the TL was hitting the chip on both the front straight and the back straight.
The TL coming out of Oak Tree is an absolute beast, and on the stock 19" wheels and tires the TL was hitting the chip on both the front straight and the back straight.
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The M56...you got me.... I just don't know enough. I didn't even look at it because of what my Roadfly guy said about what he knew I'd like, and because of his complaint about rapidly dropping value in the Infiniti M line.
Please let me say again, however, that I understand that this is subjective to an extent, and that your point is completely valid.
Please let me say again, however, that I understand that this is subjective to an extent, and that your point is completely valid.
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The M56...you got me.... I just don't know enough. I didn't even look at it because of what my Roadfly guy said about what he knew I'd like, and because of his complaint about rapidly dropping value in the Infiniti M line.
Please let me say again, however, that I understand that this is subjective to an extent, and that your point is completely valid.
Please let me say again, however, that I understand that this is subjective to an extent, and that your point is completely valid.
Of course, if you were being euphemistic, then
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I remember a G37 at the VIR event for journalists, and the TL was much quicker around than the G37.
The TL coming out of Oak Tree is an absolute beast, and on the stock 19" wheels and tires the TL was hitting the chip on both the front straight and the back straight.
The TL coming out of Oak Tree is an absolute beast, and on the stock 19" wheels and tires the TL was hitting the chip on both the front straight and the back straight.
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I believe that R&T tested the G and the TL (along with the 335 and S4) on the track and the TL ran a bit faster than the G in that test too.
Both good cars (both made my final cut), but I think the TL takes the nod in lap times (not that these cars were designed for that).
As far as 0-60 times, 6MT versus 6MT, most mag reports have the cars within .1 second of each other. R&T will tell you that differences of less than .3 are not signficant.
If anyone thinks SH-AWD is a gimmick, thye haven't driven one.
Both good cars (both made my final cut), but I think the TL takes the nod in lap times (not that these cars were designed for that).
As far as 0-60 times, 6MT versus 6MT, most mag reports have the cars within .1 second of each other. R&T will tell you that differences of less than .3 are not signficant.
If anyone thinks SH-AWD is a gimmick, thye haven't driven one.
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I believe that R&T tested the G and the TL (along with the 335 and S4) on the track and the TL ran a bit faster than the G in that test too.
Both good cars (both made my final cut), but I think the TL takes the nod in lap times (not that these cars were designed for that).
As far as 0-60 times, 6MT versus 6MT, most mag reports have the cars within .1 second of each other. R&T will tell you that differences of less than .3 are not signficant.
If anyone thinks SH-AWD is a gimmick, thye haven't driven one.
Both good cars (both made my final cut), but I think the TL takes the nod in lap times (not that these cars were designed for that).
As far as 0-60 times, 6MT versus 6MT, most mag reports have the cars within .1 second of each other. R&T will tell you that differences of less than .3 are not signficant.
If anyone thinks SH-AWD is a gimmick, thye haven't driven one.
I would like to see a real credible comparo from people who know what they are doing.
You're right I think it's a gimmick, I wouldn't get x drive from BMW for the same reason. Give me good ole' fashioned AWD any day. It hasn't really proven itself, imo, as it translates into every day driving. I think if you have it you might be prone to the o wow factor, but I'll leave open the possibility I am very wrong.
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...door-firepower
They took a 335i, G37, S4, and TL SH-AWD to streets of willow, all equipped with manual trannies.
335i had sport pack, TL had HPT pack, G37 was a sport model, S4 had the full drive select package with active rear diff and active suspension.
TL : 1:01.51
G37 : 1:01.96
335 : 1:01.80
S4 :1:00.41
They took a 335i, G37, S4, and TL SH-AWD to streets of willow, all equipped with manual trannies.
335i had sport pack, TL had HPT pack, G37 was a sport model, S4 had the full drive select package with active rear diff and active suspension.
TL : 1:01.51
G37 : 1:01.96
335 : 1:01.80
S4 :1:00.41
#28
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The above results, that is drivers error. Running around Nurburing might give a completely different picture. A street race on a track will show a different scenario. As I said inside line has another take.
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g37 guy, insideline compared the G37 with the automatic to the TL with the automatic.
I think you're pretty silly to ascribe the laptimes to driver error, I doubt very much they only ran one hot lap in each car. They had 4 drivers, and I'm sure they all ran at least a few laps in each one to arrive at their result.
The cars run so close to each other that with perhaps the exception of the S4, it's a driver's race between the 3 remaining competitors. That's called Parity, and it's what you have when you compare the performance of these cars on a racing circuit.
And as I said before, the nurburgring is a giant dyno, and the fastest straight line car will absolutely turn the fastest lap, that track has enormous high speed straights.
I think you're pretty silly to ascribe the laptimes to driver error, I doubt very much they only ran one hot lap in each car. They had 4 drivers, and I'm sure they all ran at least a few laps in each one to arrive at their result.
The cars run so close to each other that with perhaps the exception of the S4, it's a driver's race between the 3 remaining competitors. That's called Parity, and it's what you have when you compare the performance of these cars on a racing circuit.
And as I said before, the nurburgring is a giant dyno, and the fastest straight line car will absolutely turn the fastest lap, that track has enormous high speed straights.
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You are absolutely correct and I agree with you.
The bottom line is, we quote our own sources to bolster our discussions. Each car has it's strengths and weaknesses and will be judged accordingly based on the environment.
Which is why I say sh is somewhat of a gimmick. TL is basically a nose-heavy car and the sh offsets some of that. The difference of milliseconds is not a win in a car comparo driven by journalists.
The bottom line is, we quote our own sources to bolster our discussions. Each car has it's strengths and weaknesses and will be judged accordingly based on the environment.
Which is why I say sh is somewhat of a gimmick. TL is basically a nose-heavy car and the sh offsets some of that. The difference of milliseconds is not a win in a car comparo driven by journalists.
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we all have our angle, it's true. =D.
If I didn't love AWD so much, I'd probably love the G37 even more than I already do, which is a lot...especially considering that the G37 is unworkably small for me to sit in, =D
If I didn't love AWD so much, I'd probably love the G37 even more than I already do, which is a lot...especially considering that the G37 is unworkably small for me to sit in, =D
#32
Do yourself a favor and go and test drive a TL SH-AWD, ideally a 6 speed manual...not a stroll around the block, a real test drive and you'll realize that there is nothing "gimmicky" about it.....both Motortrend and Edmunds Insideline were able to go faster with a manual TL on a track than a 335 (both RWD and xDrive) which is amazing considering the Bimmer power/weight advantage and the turbocharger.....yes the 335i is faster on a straight line and I would be suprprised if weren't the case....even BMW & Driver admitted that in their hands the TL was faster on the track..
You can have all you reasons you want for not liking the TL, to each his own but the handling and road manners of the SH-AWD version are nothing short of fenomenal considering the size and weight of this big sedan.
The road feel and the driver perceived balance are totally different than the base FWD version which is already an excellent sport sedan as far as a big front driver can be.....I could never go back to a RWD or FWD car or even to a non torque vectoring full time AWD one (well...maybe except my wife's WRX STI
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SH is the farthest thing from a gimmick, don't let the FWD architecture and bias fool you. It has plenty of rear bias as needed and rear axle vectoring which gives it it's edge and superior neutrality.
All these lap times are also a result of overall acceleration as well as handling ability. The TL being the largest, one of the heaviest, and with the least amount of power in R&T's comparo group, still finished a very close second which suggests that it is a clear winner in the handling and dynamics categories. This is also the case in many other comparos of this nature.
As stated, the steering feel or pure RWD tendencies and better weight distribution sensations, have little to do with the actual bottomline capabilities. It is true that normally everyone would hand pick the best info that supports their claim but most members here don't tend to simply take one source and run with it as there are quite a few consistent sources that substantiate these SH-AWD claims.
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews..._s4/index.html
http://www.insideline.com/acura/tl/2...rst-drive.html
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...&page_number=3
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...door-firepower
Normally, people pick their cars for a number of subjective reasons first and try to come up with ways of justifying or further appreciating it with this type of material. With the 4G TL, it's kind of the other way around, most of us like this car for these reasons first and then we came to appreciate everything else even more.
All these lap times are also a result of overall acceleration as well as handling ability. The TL being the largest, one of the heaviest, and with the least amount of power in R&T's comparo group, still finished a very close second which suggests that it is a clear winner in the handling and dynamics categories. This is also the case in many other comparos of this nature.
As stated, the steering feel or pure RWD tendencies and better weight distribution sensations, have little to do with the actual bottomline capabilities. It is true that normally everyone would hand pick the best info that supports their claim but most members here don't tend to simply take one source and run with it as there are quite a few consistent sources that substantiate these SH-AWD claims.
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews..._s4/index.html
http://www.insideline.com/acura/tl/2...rst-drive.html
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...&page_number=3
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...door-firepower
Normally, people pick their cars for a number of subjective reasons first and try to come up with ways of justifying or further appreciating it with this type of material. With the 4G TL, it's kind of the other way around, most of us like this car for these reasons first and then we came to appreciate everything else even more.
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g37guy
Do yourself a favor and go and test drive a TL SH-AWD, ideally a 6 speed manual...not a stroll around the block, a real test drive and you'll realize that there is nothing "gimmicky" about it.....both Motortrend and Edmunds Insideline were able to go faster with a manual TL on a track than a 335 (both RWD and xDrive) which is amazing considering the Bimmer power/weight advantage and the turbocharger.....yes the 335i is faster on a straight line and I would be suprprised if weren't the case....even BMW & Driver admitted that in their hands the TL was faster on the track..
You can have all you reasons you want for not liking the TL, to each his own but the handling and road manners of the SH-AWD version are nothing short of fenomenal considering the size and weight of this big sedan.
The road feel and the driver perceived balance are totally different than the base FWD version which is already an excellent sport sedan as far as a big front driver can be.....I could never go back to a RWD or FWD car or even to a non torque vectoring full time AWD one (well...maybe except my wife's WRX STI
)...yes it is that good indeed....
Do yourself a favor and go and test drive a TL SH-AWD, ideally a 6 speed manual...not a stroll around the block, a real test drive and you'll realize that there is nothing "gimmicky" about it.....both Motortrend and Edmunds Insideline were able to go faster with a manual TL on a track than a 335 (both RWD and xDrive) which is amazing considering the Bimmer power/weight advantage and the turbocharger.....yes the 335i is faster on a straight line and I would be suprprised if weren't the case....even BMW & Driver admitted that in their hands the TL was faster on the track..
You can have all you reasons you want for not liking the TL, to each his own but the handling and road manners of the SH-AWD version are nothing short of fenomenal considering the size and weight of this big sedan.
The road feel and the driver perceived balance are totally different than the base FWD version which is already an excellent sport sedan as far as a big front driver can be.....I could never go back to a RWD or FWD car or even to a non torque vectoring full time AWD one (well...maybe except my wife's WRX STI
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I'm not saying shawd isn't good, but based on these reviews id rather have my g as the street car, I don't feel I missed anything even in the bimmer. Performance tests bear this out as the 335 at 4.8 to 60 will leave both g and TL in the dust.
On a highway TL is not seeing g brake lights or vice versa. Maybe ignorance is bliss but it's an informed bliss.
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As an aside the sti is nice but the wrx beats it in either 0 to 60 or quarter mile. Which is kind of interesting.
Question about the inside line article, did they test all manuals? Didn't say. The fact is they used two year old cars at an Acura event. Not quite unbiased.
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g37guy - Like others stated, not liking the TL (or any car) for styling / brand appeal / reliability etc without driving is understandable. But making judgement calls about the drive and drive-specific features without driving one - really?!
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The TL SH-AWD automatic (especially with the new 6 speed) still retain its impressive handling capabilities.
I need to merge fast, brake hard and be comfy. The 335 or 335is hands down is the winner manual or auto. If you want to spend 10 grand more go for the Audi.
With the auto tranny the 335i, the G or the S4 are noticeably quicker than an automatic TL SH-AWD on a straight line if that is what you are looking for....differences are greatly reduced if you compare them (335, S4, G and TL SH-AWD) in manual form....actually in this case the TL may be even quicker than the G.....
If comfort is what you are looking for, the TL leaves the 3 Series in the dust (roomier, plushier interiors, fantastic seats compared to the Honda Civic type ones on the Bimmer) and it is still noticeably better than the G or the S4....
As an aside the sti is nice but the wrx beats it in either 0 to 60 or quarter mile. Which is kind of interesting.
Question about the inside line article, did they test all manuals? Didn't say. The fact is they used two year old cars at an Acura event. Not quite unbiased.
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I'd definitely agree with that.
It is extremely unusual to find vectoring AWD in the segments in which Acura chooses to market it. As I said, I have a personal acquaintance who returned an MDX and bought a Mercedes because he didn't like SH-AWD.
It's expected to see vectoring AWD in the Nissan GT-R, and the upcoming Porsche Carrera 4 (upcoming model year).
I wish people understood it more, and appreciated what a coup it is for Acura to have this kind of technology in the market segments in which it competes.
Torque vectoring makes up for so very much....increasing radius, varying road surfaces...a big truck cutting in on you as you both try to make a left turn and you're already on the median....it's a long list in real world driving, and it really does work.
I should have said that I was at VIR and I've had the car coming out of Oak Tree. I'm not saying it's an ultimate track car or anything because when it comes to it, it's a huge four door sedan. But it will surprise you, especially for the price and it that segment.
It's a clear hands down winner, in my opinion, and I've not had a single moment's regret after buying mine in November 2009.
Too bad that they introduced such aggressive styling right after the economy tanked!! You have to be a part of a fairly well off middle class economy to sell that kind of aggressive look, IMHO.
It is extremely unusual to find vectoring AWD in the segments in which Acura chooses to market it. As I said, I have a personal acquaintance who returned an MDX and bought a Mercedes because he didn't like SH-AWD.
It's expected to see vectoring AWD in the Nissan GT-R, and the upcoming Porsche Carrera 4 (upcoming model year).
I wish people understood it more, and appreciated what a coup it is for Acura to have this kind of technology in the market segments in which it competes.
Torque vectoring makes up for so very much....increasing radius, varying road surfaces...a big truck cutting in on you as you both try to make a left turn and you're already on the median....it's a long list in real world driving, and it really does work.
I should have said that I was at VIR and I've had the car coming out of Oak Tree. I'm not saying it's an ultimate track car or anything because when it comes to it, it's a huge four door sedan. But it will surprise you, especially for the price and it that segment.
It's a clear hands down winner, in my opinion, and I've not had a single moment's regret after buying mine in November 2009.
Too bad that they introduced such aggressive styling right after the economy tanked!! You have to be a part of a fairly well off middle class economy to sell that kind of aggressive look, IMHO.
#39
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My point simply is based on all of the information available on the web shawd has a theoretical advantage on the track and little or no advantage on the street, compared to the G. (maybe except for some road feel)
This is an Acura site so of course there is a bias here, but based on my research I decided to forgo a test drive because 1) the styling didn't speak to me and 2) I couldn't justify what shawd was going to give me in my daily commute over the g based on what I read on the internet.
And if you listen to people who have driven both these cars hard over varying envirnonments, there are plusses and minuses to each. You always pick the car with the least amount of compromises and the most amount of pluses based on your own priority list.
I appreciate the civilized discussion.
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http://www.insideline.com/infiniti/g...7-journey.html
This pits the G37 against the old five speed automatic TL SH-AWD.
I understand why the testers preferred the G37 in that test.
My hands on testing at VIR was with a 6-6 SH-AWD, and it was clearly superior to the G37, and all of the other sedans in the testing.
A 6-6 does the quarter in about 13.8, and gets to 60 in like 5.5-5.8, depending on what tires and if you have the 19" HPT package or not.
This pits the G37 against the old five speed automatic TL SH-AWD.
I understand why the testers preferred the G37 in that test.
My hands on testing at VIR was with a 6-6 SH-AWD, and it was clearly superior to the G37, and all of the other sedans in the testing.
A 6-6 does the quarter in about 13.8, and gets to 60 in like 5.5-5.8, depending on what tires and if you have the 19" HPT package or not.
Last edited by George Knighton; 11-09-2011 at 08:24 AM.