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birdy*feet (09-21-2012)
09-20-2012 | 11:52 PM
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I think you would be happy with Audi. I've never pictured myself driving anything other than Acura/Honda, and certainly nothing other than Japanese. I'm really happy with the jump.
09-21-2012 | 12:49 AM
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Saturno, I have read your posts forever.... Long before I ever registered for AZ. I love your posts - they are always full of knowledge and insight.
I knew that I would get a shit ton of heat for posting a 2.0 4cyl on AZ... or anywhere for that matter. The 3.0, as I mentioned above, is a sick car and it is quick as hell..... But for once, I purchased a car not just based on performance. I have always been a huge sucker for speed. Always. This is the first car I've purchased not based on performance alone... I am content with the 4 cylinder. I'm certainly not beating the shit out of people on the highways, but I get where I need to go with a quickness that is just fine with me. To be extremely honest with you, when I was looking to purchase my first Audi, this one to be exact, I had to call in the professional --- my dad.
He gave me some advice that resonated with me, and I stuck with it. I told him how badass the Quattro was, how insane the 3.0 was compared to the 4 cylinder I was looking at, etc etc.... His response: "Have you actually owned an Audi?" He knows God damn well I haven't. "Well then why would you jump into the best of the best? Audi enthusiasts purchase the high line 3.0 Quattro right out the gate. You're not there."
He is absolutely right. This is my first rodeo, my first Audi, and I am certainly not ashamed to admit it. His advice was to first learn the vehicle itself and then decide if I want to invest the big bucks. So that is just what I did. I bought a car that I was happy paying cash for. So far, I am impressed with Audi. So far, I would definitely make the jump to the $70-$90k range vehicle that they put out..... SO FAR. I have owned this car for a month. I'd like to really get to know this brand, and I'd like to see what pitfalls it has before I invest in the big boy model. Is the 2.0T a rocket? Hell no. But it gets up and goes, so it's fun enough as a daily driver. Eventually I think I will move up, but today is not that day, and that is ok --- I am happy with the options this has, the way the car drives, and the looks I get even though I am not single.
I didn't even look at something lesser like a Sonota and Optima. The craftsmanship just isn't there, and frankly they just aren't brands I'm interested in. Sorry this post became so long winded.
I knew that I would get a shit ton of heat for posting a 2.0 4cyl on AZ... or anywhere for that matter. The 3.0, as I mentioned above, is a sick car and it is quick as hell..... But for once, I purchased a car not just based on performance. I have always been a huge sucker for speed. Always. This is the first car I've purchased not based on performance alone... I am content with the 4 cylinder. I'm certainly not beating the shit out of people on the highways, but I get where I need to go with a quickness that is just fine with me. To be extremely honest with you, when I was looking to purchase my first Audi, this one to be exact, I had to call in the professional --- my dad.
He gave me some advice that resonated with me, and I stuck with it. I told him how badass the Quattro was, how insane the 3.0 was compared to the 4 cylinder I was looking at, etc etc.... His response: "Have you actually owned an Audi?" He knows God damn well I haven't. "Well then why would you jump into the best of the best? Audi enthusiasts purchase the high line 3.0 Quattro right out the gate. You're not there." He is absolutely right. This is my first rodeo, my first Audi, and I am certainly not ashamed to admit it. His advice was to first learn the vehicle itself and then decide if I want to invest the big bucks. So that is just what I did. I bought a car that I was happy paying cash for. So far, I am impressed with Audi. So far, I would definitely make the jump to the $70-$90k range vehicle that they put out..... SO FAR. I have owned this car for a month. I'd like to really get to know this brand, and I'd like to see what pitfalls it has before I invest in the big boy model. Is the 2.0T a rocket? Hell no. But it gets up and goes, so it's fun enough as a daily driver. Eventually I think I will move up, but today is not that day, and that is ok --- I am happy with the options this has, the way the car drives, and the looks I get even though I am not single.
I didn't even look at something lesser like a Sonota and Optima. The craftsmanship just isn't there, and frankly they just aren't brands I'm interested in. Sorry this post became so long winded.
There are not isolated cases of people turning in their A4s for the Sonata or the Optima turbo (one instance in my own street)....this guy (trading in his A4 Quattro), for example, was astutely filmed by a Kia salesman which he turned into an "on the spot" ad
I had the chance of a quick ride in the latest 2013 Hyundai Azera and I was blown away by the style and craftmanship, inside and out
Is not that super cheap anymore but for about 37 grand you get a fantastic, free revving, direct injected 293 HP V6, navigation, premium stereo, cooled seats, fully adjustable seats (including thights adjustiment, similar to the BMW premium seats), an excellent and user friendly multimedia center, rear sunshide, panoramic roof, ambiance lights...the works....it look and feel very luxorious
In my opinion it can compete on par with the best FWD midsize premium sedan out there, including the A6, on every level.
The Azera was included in Ward's 10 best interiors for 2012 (a list which included the A7)
A video review of the new Azera:
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09-21-2012 | 01:00 AM
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Saturno, again a well thought out, amazing post.
It is funny because my dad, the ultimate car snob... Ultimate know it all... Ultimate I-Hate-Everything-That-Isn't-Luxury guy just bought my mum a new present... Albeit it's among many vehicles they own......
A new Hyundai Sonata 2.0T. They could NOT love it more. He is constantly calling me to ask if the old TL / the new A6 has this or that to compare to their new toy. Will he keep it long, and will it stand the test of time? Who the hell knows; but for the time being, I will admit that is one sweet car. He is extremely impressed by it, as am I.
It is funny because my dad, the ultimate car snob... Ultimate know it all... Ultimate I-Hate-Everything-That-Isn't-Luxury guy just bought my mum a new present... Albeit it's among many vehicles they own......
A new Hyundai Sonata 2.0T. They could NOT love it more. He is constantly calling me to ask if the old TL / the new A6 has this or that to compare to their new toy. Will he keep it long, and will it stand the test of time? Who the hell knows; but for the time being, I will admit that is one sweet car. He is extremely impressed by it, as am I.
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09-21-2012 | 03:30 AM
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These recent years, Hyundai/Kai has improved a great deal, both inside and outside, after it has finally matured enough to junk it's old practice of using copy-cat exterior styling cues for it's previous products.
Nowadays, Hyundai/Kai has the design, the quality, the V8 powerplant, the RWD chassis, the high-tech transmission (8-speed), as well as the longest standard factory warranty in the auto industry, all that is missing is a separate brand label to become a true premium luxury brand.
I dare say that if such happens, this premium luxury brand from Hyundai/Kai will be more successful than the Acura brand.
Nowadays, Hyundai/Kai has the design, the quality, the V8 powerplant, the RWD chassis, the high-tech transmission (8-speed), as well as the longest standard factory warranty in the auto industry, all that is missing is a separate brand label to become a true premium luxury brand.
I dare say that if such happens, this premium luxury brand from Hyundai/Kai will be more successful than the Acura brand.
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09-21-2012 | 09:13 AM
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These recent years, Hyundai/Kai has improved a great deal, both inside and outside, after it has finally matured enough to junk it's old practice of using copy-cat exterior styling cues for it's previous products.
Nowadays, Hyundai/Kai has the design, the quality, the V8 powerplant, the RWD chassis, the high-tech transmission (8-speed), as well as the longest standard factory warranty in the auto industry, all that is missing is a separate brand label to become a true premium luxury brand.
I dare say that if such happens, this premium luxury brand from Hyundai/Kai will be more successful than the Acura brand.
Nowadays, Hyundai/Kai has the design, the quality, the V8 powerplant, the RWD chassis, the high-tech transmission (8-speed), as well as the longest standard factory warranty in the auto industry, all that is missing is a separate brand label to become a true premium luxury brand.
I dare say that if such happens, this premium luxury brand from Hyundai/Kai will be more successful than the Acura brand.
when the Hyundai Genesis (or if I can ever afford one, the Equus) gets AWD, I'M SO THERE...I almost traded in my 2010 6MT TL for the Genesis 5.0...ALMOST
I'm already over the whole manual transmission not being available thing. Traffic is getting ridiculous out here in the Philly burbs...not enjoying shifting my own gears right now. LOL
09-21-2012 | 12:04 PM
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These recent years, Hyundai/Kai has improved a great deal, both inside and outside, after it has finally matured enough to junk it's old practice of using copy-cat exterior styling cues for it's previous products.
Nowadays, Hyundai/Kai has the design, the quality, the V8 powerplant, the RWD chassis, the high-tech transmission (8-speed), as well as the longest standard factory warranty in the auto industry, all that is missing is a separate brand label to become a true premium luxury brand.
I dare say that if such happens, this premium luxury brand from Hyundai/Kai will be more successful than the Acura brand.
Nowadays, Hyundai/Kai has the design, the quality, the V8 powerplant, the RWD chassis, the high-tech transmission (8-speed), as well as the longest standard factory warranty in the auto industry, all that is missing is a separate brand label to become a true premium luxury brand.
I dare say that if such happens, this premium luxury brand from Hyundai/Kai will be more successful than the Acura brand.
My best friend has a new Sonata, albeit not the 2.0T, and she loves it... But it just doesn't feel quality to me having been in it, know what I mean? It looks nice and has nice gadgets, but it just doesn't have that solid feel that the big luxury brands do. I can definitely tell the difference going from being in her car to mine, or hers to my friend's Lexus.
But isn't that only fair? If Hyundai and Kia offered the exact same specs, quality, craftsmanship, and experience that the luxury brands do, they would cost just as much. They have to keep their costs low, and I get that.... Their draw for many, if not all, is style and gadgets at a price everyone can afford. And that is just fine - it just isn't how I personally would choose to spend my money.
I am guessing you've owned several Audis and are speaking from experience, right?
Quit going by what you've "heard." Yeah, my new car might explode tomorrow, or the engine might fall out driving down the road....... OR, I may never have a single issue period. Not every vehicle is going to live up to its reputation, good or bad.
So thanks for your, um, "input," but I'll continue to enjoy the hell out of this car without a single concern.
09-21-2012 | 12:37 PM
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My issue with Kia/Hyundai is that these new design/quality improvements haven't been around long enough to determine whether they will stand the test of time. My parents' new Sonata is sick and fun to drive from what I hear, no doubt about it, but what will that car be like in 5-10 years?
My best friend has a new Sonata, albeit not the 2.0T, and she loves it... But it just doesn't feel quality to me having been in it, know what I mean? It looks nice and has nice gadgets, but it just doesn't have that solid feel that the big luxury brands do. I can definitely tell the difference going from being in her car to mine, or hers to my friend's Lexus.
But isn't that only fair? If Hyundai and Kia offered the exact same specs, quality, craftsmanship, and experience that the luxury brands do, they would cost just as much. They have to keep their costs low, and I get that.... Their draw for many, if not all, is style and gadgets at a price everyone can afford. And that is just fine - it just isn't how I personally would choose to spend my money.
My best friend has a new Sonata, albeit not the 2.0T, and she loves it... But it just doesn't feel quality to me having been in it, know what I mean? It looks nice and has nice gadgets, but it just doesn't have that solid feel that the big luxury brands do. I can definitely tell the difference going from being in her car to mine, or hers to my friend's Lexus.
But isn't that only fair? If Hyundai and Kia offered the exact same specs, quality, craftsmanship, and experience that the luxury brands do, they would cost just as much. They have to keep their costs low, and I get that.... Their draw for many, if not all, is style and gadgets at a price everyone can afford. And that is just fine - it just isn't how I personally would choose to spend my money.
You are right about Hyundai being considered a quality product only recently...however you have the peace of mind of the longest warranty in the business......your risks are somewhat hedged...
The Sonata is a very nice car but obviously your A6 has the extra touch, however, premium brand considerations aside, the Sonata cannot even be "functionally" or "technically" compared to the A6....to beging with, it is smaller....the right comparison would be the larger Azera which I posted before....and trust me it can compare very well with the FWD A6 with all the extra luxury touches and feel.
The cost equation.....Hyundais are not that cheap anymore however they still retain a significant value advantage....remember that when you buy the German brands part of the price paid is the name cachet not necessarily only the superior quality (real or perceived) or the gadgets......for example the Audi brand is not as strong as BMW or Mercedes and that is the reason why the A6 is a bit cheaper than a 5 Series or an E Class, similarly equipped, even if it is as technologically advanced if not even more...
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09-21-2012 | 12:46 PM
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Birdyfeet a few observations on what you said...
You are right about Hyundai being considered a quality product only recently...however you have the peace of mind of the longest warranty in the business......your risks are somewhat hedged...
The Sonata is a very nice car but obviously your A6 has the extra touch, however, premium brand considerations aside, the Sonata cannot even be "functionally" or "technically" compared to the A6....to beging with, it is smaller....the right comparison would be the larger Azera which I posted before....and trust me it can compare very well with the FWD A6 with all the extra luxury touches and feel.
The cost equation.....Hyundais are not that cheap anymore however they still retain a significant value advantage....remember that when you buy the German brands part of the price paid is the name cachet not necessarily only the superior quality (real or perceived) or the gadgets......for example the Audi brand is not as strong as BMW or Mercedes and that is the reason why the A6 is a bit cheaper than a 5 Series or an E Class, similarly equipped, even if it is as technologically advanced if not even more...
You are right about Hyundai being considered a quality product only recently...however you have the peace of mind of the longest warranty in the business......your risks are somewhat hedged...
The Sonata is a very nice car but obviously your A6 has the extra touch, however, premium brand considerations aside, the Sonata cannot even be "functionally" or "technically" compared to the A6....to beging with, it is smaller....the right comparison would be the larger Azera which I posted before....and trust me it can compare very well with the FWD A6 with all the extra luxury touches and feel.
The cost equation.....Hyundais are not that cheap anymore however they still retain a significant value advantage....remember that when you buy the German brands part of the price paid is the name cachet not necessarily only the superior quality (real or perceived) or the gadgets......for example the Audi brand is not as strong as BMW or Mercedes and that is the reason why the A6 is a bit cheaper than a 5 Series or an E Class, similarly equipped, even if it is as technologically advanced if not even more...
I am not entirely familiar with the Azera and admittedly haven't been in one, so my only real reference point is the Sonata and a couple new Kias that still just feel cheap as hell to me. They look great from afar and those LEDs sure look aggressive, but just the feel of the door handles alone feels sub par.
Finally, paying for brand. Of course you are right, and I did note that the Audi gave me a little more bang for my buck than the BMWs and Mercedes that I looked at. And you know, I think that is ultimately what draws many Acura buyers, too. I think at the end of the day, you just have to spend your money the way you see fit and the way that makes you happiest. I work my ass off so that I can afford a luxury vehicle, and I really do love this car.
09-21-2012 | 12:52 PM
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Congrats on your new ride, looks really great.
Its interesting that the same bunch still tries to down anyone moving from Acura to another brand anyplace in the price spectrum but especially upward. Wonder if they keep their collective comments on an “F” key so they don’t have to waste time typing them.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Its interesting that the same bunch still tries to down anyone moving from Acura to another brand anyplace in the price spectrum but especially upward. Wonder if they keep their collective comments on an “F” key so they don’t have to waste time typing them.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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09-21-2012 | 12:57 PM
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Congrats on your new ride, looks really great.
Its interesting that the same bunch still tries to down anyone moving from Acura to another brand anyplace in the price spectrum but especially upward. Wonder if they keep their collective comments on an “F” key so they don’t have to waste time typing them.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Its interesting that the same bunch still tries to down anyone moving from Acura to another brand anyplace in the price spectrum but especially upward. Wonder if they keep their collective comments on an “F” key so they don’t have to waste time typing them.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Lol... The F key, heh. It certainly is an odd phenomenon...
09-21-2012 | 12:57 PM
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damn, sweet ride. I tested an A6 with the big motor last round of shopping. The TL won out on price though, just couldn't justify the extra coin for essentially the same features. Enjoy
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09-21-2012 | 02:14 PM
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You are right about the warranty - 10 year / 100k is outstanding. There really is no arguing that point; however, aside from major malfunctions, mechanical issues, etc etc... What about the car just plain holding up? If it becomes a rattle box in 7 years, what part of the warranty will cover that? Could you walk into the Hyundai dealership and tell them the car just doesn't feel solid anymore and expect them to fix it? I'm not sure, but I am definitely interested to hear more owner reviews in the coming years. I've already heard some low rumblings of people complaining about the fact that their Hyundais aren't holding up quite as well as anticipated, but then again you know people typically take to the internet as a means of complaint - not necessarily praise.
I am not entirely familiar with the Azera and admittedly haven't been in one, so my only real reference point is the Sonata and a couple new Kias that still just feel cheap as hell to me. They look great from afar and those LEDs sure look aggressive, but just the feel of the door handles alone feels sub par.
Finally, paying for brand. Of course you are right, and I did note that the Audi gave me a little more bang for my buck than the BMWs and Mercedes that I looked at. And you know, I think that is ultimately what draws many Acura buyers, too. I think at the end of the day, you just have to spend your money the way you see fit and the way that makes you happiest. I work my ass off so that I can afford a luxury vehicle, and I really do love this car.
I am not entirely familiar with the Azera and admittedly haven't been in one, so my only real reference point is the Sonata and a couple new Kias that still just feel cheap as hell to me. They look great from afar and those LEDs sure look aggressive, but just the feel of the door handles alone feels sub par.
Finally, paying for brand. Of course you are right, and I did note that the Audi gave me a little more bang for my buck than the BMWs and Mercedes that I looked at. And you know, I think that is ultimately what draws many Acura buyers, too. I think at the end of the day, you just have to spend your money the way you see fit and the way that makes you happiest. I work my ass off so that I can afford a luxury vehicle, and I really do love this car.
I have not heard complains about the new Hyundais holding up well...but again, the "good Hyundais" are still too new.....one common complain I hear for the cheaper models are the cheap tires.....people swapping them and the ride and noise improve substantially...but agan, I'm talking about Accent, Elantra and maybe entry level Sonata.
I know that the coprorate mantra of Hyundai is focusing on quality so I believe they would look at these aspects.
Rattles usually are covered within the bumper to bumper warranty period.
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09-21-2012 | 03:37 PM
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You are right about the warranty - 10 year / 100k is outstanding. There really is no arguing that point; however, aside from major malfunctions, mechanical issues, etc etc... What about the car just plain holding up? If it becomes a rattle box in 7 years, what part of the warranty will cover that? Could you walk into the Hyundai dealership and tell them the car just doesn't feel solid anymore and expect them to fix it? I'm not sure, but I am definitely interested to hear more owner reviews in the coming years. I've already heard some low rumblings of people complaining about the fact that their Hyundais aren't holding up quite as well as anticipated, but then again you know people typically take to the internet as a means of complaint - not necessarily praise.
I am not entirely familiar with the Azera and admittedly haven't been in one, so my only real reference point is the Sonata and a couple new Kias that still just feel cheap as hell to me. They look great from afar and those LEDs sure look aggressive, but just the feel of the door handles alone feels sub par.
Finally, paying for brand. Of course you are right, and I did note that the Audi gave me a little more bang for my buck than the BMWs and Mercedes that I looked at. And you know, I think that is ultimately what draws many Acura buyers, too. I think at the end of the day, you just have to spend your money the way you see fit and the way that makes you happiest. I work my ass off so that I can afford a luxury vehicle, and I really do love this car.
I am not entirely familiar with the Azera and admittedly haven't been in one, so my only real reference point is the Sonata and a couple new Kias that still just feel cheap as hell to me. They look great from afar and those LEDs sure look aggressive, but just the feel of the door handles alone feels sub par.
Finally, paying for brand. Of course you are right, and I did note that the Audi gave me a little more bang for my buck than the BMWs and Mercedes that I looked at. And you know, I think that is ultimately what draws many Acura buyers, too. I think at the end of the day, you just have to spend your money the way you see fit and the way that makes you happiest. I work my ass off so that I can afford a luxury vehicle, and I really do love this car.
Audi’s are beautiful and the tech is beyond compare.
More about Hyundai warranty -10 years power train. 3 years electronics and 1 year on other odds and ends.
More on Hyundai reliability – We have a 2005 Elantra since new in the family. Paid 13k for it. Not a problem or a rattle in all of this time. 7 years in June. Nothing. It’s why I was open to buying the Genny.
More on the Genny – 2012 4.6. Paid much less than a TL Advance was being sold for at time of purchase. Has so much tech it blows my mind. It all has been flawless. TL has a better rear camera (more HD) and better address search function. Genny calls numbers by name pretty flawlessly.
I could go on with pros and cons….but I don’t think anyone should be afraid of Hyundai anymore.
Left TL after 3 in a row because the last 2 were rattle traps. 2005 was in shop 12 times the 1st year. Dealership fixed them all but still a drag. 2010 has 2 major rattles by 4000 miles.
imo 40k cars shouldn’t rattle when a 13k Elantra doesn’t.
That said; I'm all over a 2014 TLX if it's beautiful. It'll take the Koreans a few years to get ride right. But my gosh they are quick learners.
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09-21-2012 | 03:49 PM
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I have to say to agree with "jiggaman"....Seeing "birdy*feet" leave the Acura family to the Audi family is not a happy thing but we can take comfort in knowing she is still here and positively contributing to our forum. Buying a new car is an exciting and happy moment and regardless on brand loyalty, people should be be happy for her purchase and lets admit guys...how many of us are actually VERY envious of her wheels!
I have to be honest, I have never owned an Audi but I have "Audi Envy" but the whole fear mongering about reliability and such is partially why I am not in the driver seat of an Audi at the moment. I admit that I am not a risk taker and always go with the "safe and comfort zone" which is not always a bad thing but sometime, not taking risks makes you miss out on the best opportunities life throws at you.
It is kind of ironic that several people tell "birdy*feet" are wishing 'good luck' with the reliability of her Audi when the problems with her Acura is the reason she traded it in.
I have seen alot of the reports about past electrical problems of Audis but what about the new ones....and we all know how many people used to make fun of the Hyundai and after owning one (mind you the entry level model for my rain car)....I will say that I will never make fun of Hyundai again. It seems that for some reason, once you have a bad reputation, it takes forever to shake and gain credibility.
I am getting more and more certain that my next vehicle to replace my TL will be an Audi .. at the moment, the S5 coupe in white of course. This way, I'll still have my RDX as a CUV, and my little Accent as my rain car.
in any event....I for one am DELIGHTED for "birdy*feet" and think she is extremely lucky to have such a beautiful car in her driveway. And like her, I am not driven by power but more by esthetics of a vehicle. Sometime, you don't have much choice because the model with appearance package you want comes only with a given high performance engine but given a choice between 2 engines for the exact same vehicle, I will always chose the most energy efficient one.
That is just me though....
You and I think so much alike that it blows my mind!! I would agree with everything you said in your post,,,,
I have to be honest, I have never owned an Audi but I have "Audi Envy" but the whole fear mongering about reliability and such is partially why I am not in the driver seat of an Audi at the moment. I admit that I am not a risk taker and always go with the "safe and comfort zone" which is not always a bad thing but sometime, not taking risks makes you miss out on the best opportunities life throws at you.
It is kind of ironic that several people tell "birdy*feet" are wishing 'good luck' with the reliability of her Audi when the problems with her Acura is the reason she traded it in.
I have seen alot of the reports about past electrical problems of Audis but what about the new ones....and we all know how many people used to make fun of the Hyundai and after owning one (mind you the entry level model for my rain car)....I will say that I will never make fun of Hyundai again. It seems that for some reason, once you have a bad reputation, it takes forever to shake and gain credibility.
I am getting more and more certain that my next vehicle to replace my TL will be an Audi .. at the moment, the S5 coupe in white of course. This way, I'll still have my RDX as a CUV, and my little Accent as my rain car.
in any event....I for one am DELIGHTED for "birdy*feet" and think she is extremely lucky to have such a beautiful car in her driveway. And like her, I am not driven by power but more by esthetics of a vehicle. Sometime, you don't have much choice because the model with appearance package you want comes only with a given high performance engine but given a choice between 2 engines for the exact same vehicle, I will always chose the most energy efficient one.
That is just me though....
In my experience life is meant to be experienced. Not thought about or something to be afraid of. Someone else’s experience is not necessarily going to be my experience. You bought an Audi with eyes wide open. Good for you. The big complaint is DI. All cars with DI have issues which is we they are developing hybrid port/di systems.
Audi’s are beautiful and the tech is beyond compare.
More about Hyundai warranty -10 years power train. 3 years electronics and 1 year on other odds and ends.
More on Hyundai reliability – We have a 2005 Elantra since new in the family. Paid 13k for it. Not a problem or a rattle in all of this time. 7 years in June. Nothing. It’s why I was open to buying the Genny.
More on the Genny – 2012 4.6. Paid much less than a TL Advance was being sold for at time of purchase. Has so much tech it blows my mind. It all has been flawless. TL has a better rear camera (more HD) and better address search function. Genny calls numbers by name pretty flawlessly.
I could go on with pros and cons….but I don’t think anyone should be afraid of Hyundai anymore.
Left TL after 3 in a row because the last 2 were rattle traps. 2005 was in shop 12 times the 1st year. Dealership fixed them all but still a drag. 2010 has 2 major rattles by 4000 miles.
imo 40k cars shouldn’t rattle when a 13k Elantra doesn’t.
That said; I'm all over a 2014 TLX if it's beautiful. It'll take the Koreans a few years to get ride right. But my gosh they are quick learners.
Audi’s are beautiful and the tech is beyond compare.
More about Hyundai warranty -10 years power train. 3 years electronics and 1 year on other odds and ends.
More on Hyundai reliability – We have a 2005 Elantra since new in the family. Paid 13k for it. Not a problem or a rattle in all of this time. 7 years in June. Nothing. It’s why I was open to buying the Genny.
More on the Genny – 2012 4.6. Paid much less than a TL Advance was being sold for at time of purchase. Has so much tech it blows my mind. It all has been flawless. TL has a better rear camera (more HD) and better address search function. Genny calls numbers by name pretty flawlessly.
I could go on with pros and cons….but I don’t think anyone should be afraid of Hyundai anymore.
Left TL after 3 in a row because the last 2 were rattle traps. 2005 was in shop 12 times the 1st year. Dealership fixed them all but still a drag. 2010 has 2 major rattles by 4000 miles.
imo 40k cars shouldn’t rattle when a 13k Elantra doesn’t.
That said; I'm all over a 2014 TLX if it's beautiful. It'll take the Koreans a few years to get ride right. But my gosh they are quick learners.
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09-21-2012 | 04:42 PM
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In my experience life is meant to be experienced. Not thought about or something to be afraid of. Someone else’s experience is not necessarily going to be my experience. You bought an Audi with eyes wide open. Good for you. The big complaint is DI. All cars with DI have issues which is we they are developing hybrid port/di systems.
Audi’s are beautiful and the tech is beyond compare.
More about Hyundai warranty -10 years power train. 3 years electronics and 1 year on other odds and ends.
More on Hyundai reliability – We have a 2005 Elantra since new in the family. Paid 13k for it. Not a problem or a rattle in all of this time. 7 years in June. Nothing. It’s why I was open to buying the Genny.
More on the Genny – 2012 4.6. Paid much less than a TL Advance was being sold for at time of purchase. Has so much tech it blows my mind. It all has been flawless. TL has a better rear camera (more HD) and better address search function. Genny calls numbers by name pretty flawlessly.
I could go on with pros and cons….but I don’t think anyone should be afraid of Hyundai anymore.
Left TL after 3 in a row because the last 2 were rattle traps. 2005 was in shop 12 times the 1st year. Dealership fixed them all but still a drag. 2010 has 2 major rattles by 4000 miles.
imo 40k cars shouldn’t rattle when a 13k Elantra doesn’t.
That said; I'm all over a 2014 TLX if it's beautiful. It'll take the Koreans a few years to get ride right. But my gosh they are quick learners.
Audi’s are beautiful and the tech is beyond compare.
More about Hyundai warranty -10 years power train. 3 years electronics and 1 year on other odds and ends.
More on Hyundai reliability – We have a 2005 Elantra since new in the family. Paid 13k for it. Not a problem or a rattle in all of this time. 7 years in June. Nothing. It’s why I was open to buying the Genny.
More on the Genny – 2012 4.6. Paid much less than a TL Advance was being sold for at time of purchase. Has so much tech it blows my mind. It all has been flawless. TL has a better rear camera (more HD) and better address search function. Genny calls numbers by name pretty flawlessly.
I could go on with pros and cons….but I don’t think anyone should be afraid of Hyundai anymore.
Left TL after 3 in a row because the last 2 were rattle traps. 2005 was in shop 12 times the 1st year. Dealership fixed them all but still a drag. 2010 has 2 major rattles by 4000 miles.
imo 40k cars shouldn’t rattle when a 13k Elantra doesn’t.
That said; I'm all over a 2014 TLX if it's beautiful. It'll take the Koreans a few years to get ride right. But my gosh they are quick learners.
I have to say to agree with "jiggaman"....Seeing "birdy*feet" leave the Acura family to the Audi family is not a happy thing but we can take comfort in knowing she is still here and positively contributing to our forum. Buying a new car is an exciting and happy moment and regardless on brand loyalty, people should be be happy for her purchase and lets admit guys...how many of us are actually VERY envious of her wheels!
I have to be honest, I have never owned an Audi but I have "Audi Envy" but the whole fear mongering about reliability and such is partially why I am not in the driver seat of an Audi at the moment. I admit that I am not a risk taker and always go with the "safe and comfort zone" which is not always a bad thing but sometime, not taking risks makes you miss out on the best opportunities life throws at you.
It is kind of ironic that several people tell "birdy*feet" are wishing 'good luck' with the reliability of her Audi when the problems with her Acura is the reason she traded it in.
I have seen alot of the reports about past electrical problems of Audis but what about the new ones....and we all know how many people used to make fun of the Hyundai and after owning one (mind you the entry level model for my rain car)....I will say that I will never make fun of Hyundai again. It seems that for some reason, once you have a bad reputation, it takes forever to shake and gain credibility.
I am getting more and more certain that my next vehicle to replace my TL will be an Audi .. at the moment, the S5 coupe in white of course. This way, I'll still have my RDX as a CUV, and my little Accent as my rain car.
in any event....I for one am DELIGHTED for "birdy*feet" and think she is extremely lucky to have such a beautiful car in her driveway. And like her, I am not driven by power but more by esthetics of a vehicle. Sometime, you don't have much choice because the model with appearance package you want comes only with a given high performance engine but given a choice between 2 engines for the exact same vehicle, I will always chose the most energy efficient one.
That is just me though....
I have to be honest, I have never owned an Audi but I have "Audi Envy" but the whole fear mongering about reliability and such is partially why I am not in the driver seat of an Audi at the moment. I admit that I am not a risk taker and always go with the "safe and comfort zone" which is not always a bad thing but sometime, not taking risks makes you miss out on the best opportunities life throws at you.
It is kind of ironic that several people tell "birdy*feet" are wishing 'good luck' with the reliability of her Audi when the problems with her Acura is the reason she traded it in.
I have seen alot of the reports about past electrical problems of Audis but what about the new ones....and we all know how many people used to make fun of the Hyundai and after owning one (mind you the entry level model for my rain car)....I will say that I will never make fun of Hyundai again. It seems that for some reason, once you have a bad reputation, it takes forever to shake and gain credibility.
I am getting more and more certain that my next vehicle to replace my TL will be an Audi .. at the moment, the S5 coupe in white of course. This way, I'll still have my RDX as a CUV, and my little Accent as my rain car.
in any event....I for one am DELIGHTED for "birdy*feet" and think she is extremely lucky to have such a beautiful car in her driveway. And like her, I am not driven by power but more by esthetics of a vehicle. Sometime, you don't have much choice because the model with appearance package you want comes only with a given high performance engine but given a choice between 2 engines for the exact same vehicle, I will always chose the most energy efficient one.
That is just me though....
Thank you, weather. I don't get this fear mongering mentality, either, and I'm a little perplexed by some of the comments... But to each his own I suppose.
The bottom line is this: I had issues with my Acuras, got tired of the BS, didn't appreciate the way Acura corporate responded to me on multiple occasions, and traded my TL in for something I am very happy with that I enjoy getting into every single day. I won't be rejoining the Acura family anytime soon.
... And I'm very surprised at the number of crystal ball owners there are on this forum. If one of you who already knows for a fact that the Audi I bought is gonna go tits up could PM me some Power Ball numbers, I'd much appreciate it.
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09-21-2012 | 04:47 PM
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09-21-2012 | 05:59 PM
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Its really funny when you get some guy who bought a used car 10 years ago telling you how much trouble he had with it & leaping to the conclusion that a brand new car of the same make will be a problem
Got the same crap when I got the 335is. So after 13 months & 12K + miles it has been to the dealers shop 1 time for the free oil change. Ditto for the X3 which has zero $ in out of pocket expenses. My 2004 330Ci ZHP has about $1000 out of pocket for repair parts, not counting tires, in it after 100K+ miles.
My TL was in the shop a number of times for recalls, TSB's etc. First time back was three weeks after delivery for a dead tail light but that does not mean all TL's are duds. I am sure a lot of people are very happy with them.
Just keep in mind it’s the same few guys who regurgitate the same nonsense in every "I have moved on" thread. Enjoy the ride & don’t expect much from the ungracious handful.
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09-21-2012 | 06:32 PM
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saturno_v. I don't know how much credibility I'd give that Azera review. Red flag #1 - He said it handles great. What's that mean? Compared to what? FW never handles that great and I doubt that Hyundai made a quantuum leap in suspension engineering over my RW drive Genny. Red flag #2 - It clearly has the same low defintion back up camera my Genny has.
My point is that I wouldn't count on that as the most critical and complete review.
One review calls it competition for the LaCrosse.
This might be a better look where MT calls it a super Sonata -
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ra_first_test/
My point is that I wouldn't count on that as the most critical and complete review.
One review calls it competition for the LaCrosse.
This might be a better look where MT calls it a super Sonata -
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ra_first_test/
09-21-2012 | 06:40 PM
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Expect its a lot of envy that just oozes out of certain people when someone gets a upscale car. The natural reaction for most people when someone makes a major purchase is to congratulate them & be happy for them. Here it seems to be the same few guys are in a panic to be the first to tell you how bad your choice is, maybe it makes them feel better about what they drive.
Its really funny when you get some guy who bought a used car 10 years ago telling you how much trouble he had with it & leaping to the conclusion that a brand new car of the same make will be a problem
Got the same crap when I got the 335is. So after 13 months & 12K + miles it has been to the dealers shop 1 time for the free oil change. Ditto for the X3 which has zero $ in out of pocket expenses. My 2004 330Ci ZHP has about $1000 out of pocket for repair parts, not counting tires, in it after 100K+ miles.
My TL was in the shop a number of times for recalls, TSB's etc. First time back was three weeks after delivery for a dead tail light but that does not mean all TL's are duds. I am sure a lot of people are very happy with them.
Just keep in mind it’s the same few guys who regurgitate the same nonsense in every "I have moved on" thread. Enjoy the ride & don’t expect much from the ungracious handful.
Its really funny when you get some guy who bought a used car 10 years ago telling you how much trouble he had with it & leaping to the conclusion that a brand new car of the same make will be a problem
Got the same crap when I got the 335is. So after 13 months & 12K + miles it has been to the dealers shop 1 time for the free oil change. Ditto for the X3 which has zero $ in out of pocket expenses. My 2004 330Ci ZHP has about $1000 out of pocket for repair parts, not counting tires, in it after 100K+ miles.
My TL was in the shop a number of times for recalls, TSB's etc. First time back was three weeks after delivery for a dead tail light but that does not mean all TL's are duds. I am sure a lot of people are very happy with them.
Just keep in mind it’s the same few guys who regurgitate the same nonsense in every "I have moved on" thread. Enjoy the ride & don’t expect much from the ungracious handful.
BEAR a few observation if I may....
I totally agree that it is not good etiquette to put down someone else's purchase or make immediate negative remarks, however I do not think that people make these comments out of envy, you are wrong on that...
I never saw comments about reliability, among the congratulations, when someone "move up" to a Lexus GS or an Infinti M...the less average reliability of German brands in the long run is a well known facts in the industry, granted the majority may not have any issue while few others may have a nightmare experience with a premium Japanese brand supposedly bulletproof.....Birdyfeet had her bad experience with Acura and she did the right thing to move on, especially the way they treated her....but I really think you are over-reading this as "envy"....as we did discuss this so many times before already, you know my opinion, I do not think a TL owner has much to be "envious" of an A6......
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09-21-2012 | 06:44 PM
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saturno_v. I don't know how much credibility I'd give that Azera review. Red flag #1 - He said it handles great. What's that mean? Compared to what? FW never handles that great and I doubt that Hyundai made a quantuum leap in suspension engineering over my RW drive Genny. Red flag #2 - It clearly has the same low defintion back up camera my Genny has.
My point is that I wouldn't count on that as the most critical and complete review.
One review calls it competition for the LaCrosse.
This might be a better look where MT calls it a super Sonata -
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ra_first_test/
My point is that I wouldn't count on that as the most critical and complete review.
One review calls it competition for the LaCrosse.
This might be a better look where MT calls it a super Sonata -
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ra_first_test/
I drove that car and it handles well for its intended purposes...I guess that was what the tester meant....it is a cushy confortable cruiser and actually not too floaty at all compared to other machinery in the same category.....but is not a sport sedan, it is not TL SH-AWD or Audi A6 Quattro.....but it compares very well with the premium FWD in the market.... TL, Maxima without sport package and including the FWD A6 and the Lexus ES.
The interiors and features are amazing for the price. It blows the American competition out of the water in fit and finish and head and shoulder above the Avalon in my opinion.
Another video review of the Azera
Consumer Report
A very detailed tour of the interiors
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09-21-2012 | 07:39 PM
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Yep....if the next Genesis redesign is as good as the Azera, mantaining the same value proposition, it will be a truly killer car.
Acura better wake up and smell the coffee....my TL could be my first and last Acura....
09-21-2012 | 09:15 PM
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Lol...
I'll never understand people like you.... You obviously aren't a happy person, ok I get that from your posts. But attacking a random person on an internet forum makes you look even more miserable than you probably actually are.
I pay cash for my vehicles, and perhaps someday you'll also get there. But until then, your shit comments make no one but you look bad.
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09-21-2012 | 09:37 PM
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Lol...
I'll never understand people like you.... You obviously aren't a happy person, ok I get that from your posts. But attacking a random person on an internet forum makes you look even more miserable than you probably actually are.
I pay cash for my vehicles, and perhaps someday you'll also get there. But until then, your shit comments make no one but you look bad.
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