hypno999

This is what just happened to me.
I parked on a low decent hill next to my house, pressed the engine STOP button while the transmission was still on D(rive), and opened the door starting to get out.
Guess what, my car started rolling back and chasing after me, luckily I was able to jump back in and stop it.
This is a serious safety risk, anyone else had this happen to you?

PS: At least my 2005 TL didn't let me take keys out of ignition unless the transmission was in parked position.

crxb

Darwin

hey but if you had left the engine running, pressed the brake, and then got out - wouldn't the hill holder assist have kicked in

hypno999

Maybe it's for higher grade descents, I need to talk to the dealer, maybe there is a firmware upgrade.

Ack4life

LOL, this isn't a normal key you have anymore. Mostly all the push button cars that are out there are like this(That I know of). You can turn the car off while you still in drive.

But why would even leave your car in drive anyway, you didn't enage your brakes

crxb

It only works in my experience when going up hill.
I can have the car running, drive up my inclined driveway, Press the brake - let go - and the brakes will still hold the car in place until I hit the gas pedal.
My 3G of course would roll backwards if I tried the same. I wonder if it works if the car is in reverse and I back out - press brake and let go? probably works only going forward and up a grade.

skyy406

Why did you shut off the car in drive? Its your own fault.

hypno999

Well, the car software should not allow me to turn the car off in drive. Maybe this can be corrected, on the other hand my other car, BMW X5, when you open a door in Drive and try to get out, it will automatically switch to parked.

Now I'll have nightmares tonight about my new car chasing me all over town :-)

crxb

now we know why it has the big grill - its a person plow

levon1830

Note to self: Remain at least 1000 feet away from hypno999 if he is seen driving a car with a manual transmission.

Wavehogger

The hill assist is only supposed to hold you on an incline for a few seconds, and will release after that, before you hit the gas. But I believe it is designed to have the driver inside the vehicle, not running next to it.

It is a safety feature that you can shut the engine down while driving, just like you can turn a key backwards. It's in the manual, which I'm sure with all the excitement of a new vehicle you haven't looked at yet or you would have read the warnings.

I love a perfect opportunity to be a smart *ss. Happy reading Hypno.

levon1830

Good point.

hypno999

True that - I'm only on page 978, 37369 more to go

Wavehogger

I think we'll need to quiz you. If you fail you have to drive the TL to my house, and leave it until you pass. I will take good care of my almost twin.

crxb

I just tried the hill assist in my driveway. Held for over 60 seconds b4 I gave up. Maybe the OP could test it - he could stand behind the car and time it until the hill assist releases the brakes

Wavehogger

pg.525 of manual
"Hill Start Assist
On models with SH-AWD
Your vehicle is equipped with a hill
start assist feature to help prevent
the vehicle from rolling on steep
inclines as you move your foot from
the brake pedal to the accelerator.

This feature starts operating a few
seconds after you are in any drive
gear position (when faced uphill) or
in reverse (when faced downhill).
This feature requires that the
vehicle has come to a complete stop
before it can work.

Hill start assist may not prevent your
vehicle from rolling downhill on a
very steep or slippery slope."


It must depend on the incline, because in my driveway which at the top isn't much of a decline, it holds for about 5 seconds and then I feel it release. But probably because my car actually starts to move forward on its own. I've never timed it on other regular hill starting driving, but I will next time.

It's a nice feature but really could spoil you and then when you get into a car that doesn't do it, you're likely to smash the car parked behind you on the hill. fun stuff! Ooo, I'll be sure to turn on the backup camera first so I can watch.

hypno999

Actually I tried this scenario in reverse, meaning I would allow my car to go forward down the incline (really small incline) and with the engine stopped and the transmission on Drive, it would not move, but it has no problems going in reverse backwards downhill.

I think it's easier to try to catch your car when it's rolling down front first
Maybe I should have Acura better QA this scenario.

Wavehogger

Hypno what are you doing here instead of out cruisin and breakin in the SH? I was addicted to mine until the winter hit, now I'm waiting till spring to resume. Come pick me up i'm 40 mins from you, we'll hit the streets!

hypno999

Waiting for the winter to pass :-)... I'm actually outside of Boston bit passed 128 belt near route 117.

bmode

I have to agree with others, Operator Error. I did something similar so I'm not baggin' on ya. One day, I tried the trick of keeping the nav on but killing the engine while still in Drive, well double touched the ignition switch by accident, and the car restarted and moved forward. Good thing I was still seated and braked quickly, otherwise I would of been into my washer and dryer. Glad you and your girl are okay.

AcuraDriver89

This HSA feature sounds like too much of a luxury....what do people wiht manual transmissions have to do when they're on steep hills?--risk a slight rollback and quickly GO! when that light turns green...

Piotr_W

One foot on clutch one on brake
Slowly release clutch that you do not have keep your foot on brake. With your right foot start pressing a gas pedal.
Always you can use a handbrake

Wavehogger

If someone needs to use the handbrake, they should drive an A/T.

CleanCL

iTrader: (4)

FYI - You can turn EVERY car off while in Drive. This is NORMAL. What if you are driving on the parkway and you see smoke or your brakes go out... I sure as hell would want to turn the car off immediately and then coast to a stop.

Wavehogger

I'd actually leave it running so the brakes and steering worked so I could stop the car faster, then shutting it down and getting the heck out! Cause if it's already on fire it's not going to make much difference.

RACINGHART03

iTrader: (2)

^ CORRECT! The car behaves EXACTLY the same as it would if you turned the key to acc while your car was running. Sounds like you were in a rush, or else you would have noticed your car was still in the acc. position and your nav screen was up. Only difference is you dont have the key to FORCE you to put it into park. Not a design flaw by any stretch.

crxb

didn't think it would start unless in neutral or park?

bmode

Ah, racing heart? I'm not claiming it's a design flaw, I never said that. Your all up in the Kool-aid and don't know the flava? I stated operator error, ya dig? Regarding my incident, I was not in a rush, I stated I was still seated? I just double touched the ignition button and the car restarted instead of turning off? Capesh? Va bene.

RACINGHART03

iTrader: (2)

Its RACINGHART and I was using your post in agreement..... If you hurry you can still edit your post.

bmode

Yes, I could, but you can't edit your initial post. Darn.

RACINGHART03

iTrader: (2)

Lol. Oh you 4g tl guys.

crxb

some manual trans bmws have hsa

bmode

Careful, your green with envy!

Alexander.

iTrader: (1)

the title of this thread should read "Almost got crushed by my own stupidity"

hypno999

wait now... I love the car, but it is stupid, Acura should have done more QA. You would think in 2009 model they would add some safety for this... I'm sure there will be some kind of recall soon.

So after 2 days this is my only complaint about the car.
Still one of the best rides out there, my wife's BMW X5 doesn't look so good in the garage anymore

Ack4life

[quote=hypno999;10554578]wait now... I love the car, but it is stupid, Acura should have done more QA. You would think in 2009 model they would add some safety for this... I'm sure there will be some kind of recall soon.


I don't think have recalls for driver's who can't operate there cars

darmok

Yeah, but in a car with a normal key the transmission interlock will prevent you from removing the key. I get caught by this every once in a while - just my own absentmindedness at fault. I'm in the habit of using the parking brake, so the car won't be moving on me.

JD23

I'm still confused as to why anyone would turn the car off without first putting it in park. I've never been close to making this mistake in my entire life. Honestly, it's lawsuits based off incidents like this that increase regulation and result in costs for the rest of us.

bmode

JD23, one reason that we new 4G Tech pack drivers might do this maneuver is to keep the computer on. If you put the car in park, then hit the ignition switch, the computer shuts off. So some of use have been keeping the transmission in D and then turing off the engine, so that we can keep the computer on and not interrupt music or whatever program they were listening to.

I wish the mods would step up on the blatant flame or insulting comments. Especially when they are completely out of line and brought on by nothing.

stevel

[QUOTE=Ack4life;10554637]audi does, why can't acura?