2012 TL to have a better 0-60?
02-10-2011, 11:50 PM
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2012 TL to have a better 0-60?
my main issue with the 2009+ TL was the lack of acceleration compared to my 2007 S-type. I can't bring myself to buy an updated version of a car that is actually slower. I know the manual transmission version is faster than my type s auto (5.2 vs. 5.7) but i wasn't looking for a manual. some have speculated that the 2012 6 speed auto will be faster than the 5 speed 2011. does anyone know this will be the case? if not, it's tempting to look at the g37 (5.1).
02-11-2011, 12:05 AM
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The new 6 speed auto should have better acceleration than the '09-'11 5 speed auto due to the better gearing. It'll probably have about the same numbers as the 6 speed manual transmission.
If you wanna compare the acceleration between the '07-'08 Type S and the '09+ TL SH-AWD, they're actually pretty similar. I've done a couple runs against my buddy's 2007 Type S(both auto) from zero to about 60-70mph and it was always either dead even or I was about a half car in front.
If you wanna compare the acceleration between the '07-'08 Type S and the '09+ TL SH-AWD, they're actually pretty similar. I've done a couple runs against my buddy's 2007 Type S(both auto) from zero to about 60-70mph and it was always either dead even or I was about a half car in front.
02-11-2011, 12:11 AM
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good to know
i'm just going off the numbers i see in car mags...seems pretty consistently reported that the 4g sh-awd is a little slower than the type s but i believe you. i was actually thinking of goingto the dealership and asking them if they would race a 4g against my type s and if they won i'd buy the car (i would have decided to buy the car ahead of time)
02-11-2011, 12:41 AM
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Speed in a FWD six cylinder car is this important to you? 
02-11-2011, 06:36 AM
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Well, I'll extend an arm here and do a guess: if I consider the improvement made to the RL and MDX with the 6AT vs 5AT, I expect a solid 0.5 sec gain in 0-60 and 1/4 mile. More might be possible but not more than 0.7 which will put the 2012 TL SH-AWD in the 5.3-5.5 sec range. If you consider that the lack of launch ability (versus a clutch drop or something), it will be quite similar to the 6MT.
, YMMV
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02-11-2011, 08:36 AM
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I would also bet that the gearing matches the 6MT closely, maybe more centered on fuel economy, but would expect to see sub 6-sec 0-60 closer to the 6MT. But I agree with Ken, if you're looking for a 0-60 car, a two ton sport sedan should not be on your list. A few tenths of a second probably won't even be noticeable to the "butt dyno".
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02-11-2011, 10:11 AM
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02-11-2011, 10:34 AM
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Well, I'll extend an arm here and do a guess: if I consider the improvement made to the RL and MDX with the 6AT vs 5AT, I expect a solid 0.5 sec gain in 0-60 and 1/4 mile. More might be possible but not more than 0.7 which will put the 2012 TL SH-AWD in the 5.3-5.5 sec range. If you consider that the lack of launch ability (versus a clutch drop or something), it will be quite similar to the 6MT.
, YMMV
, YMMV
02-11-2011, 01:37 PM
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Need someone with a GTech-Pro SS to give us a real 0-60.
Anyone done this???
Anyone done this???
02-11-2011, 01:57 PM
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Numbers in general are all over the place. You could find at least a .5 sec difference depending on who's testing and all the other variables involved on almost any car. The TL SH auto for example, has shown a range 0f 0-60 from 5.9-6.5 and 1/4 high of 14.3 to a low of 15.1.
I think 5.7 for an auto TLS, although possible, is a bit much, the cars seems to hang around the 6 sec range, give or take one. That's in line with the better numbers from the 5AT SH.
To the OP, I can't imagine the 6AT FWD TL for 2012 will be any slower than the previous 5AT TLS. IMO, the worst case is it will be the same and you can enjoy the extra gas mileage. If you want a little more, I would guess that Acura would want the SH to remain the sportier variant and maybe re-emphasize that this time around as the current models are fairly similar in that regard, so the 6AT SH should retain it's shorter final drive (maybe even more agreesive than now) and obviously the added traction compared to the FWD but we'll see soon enough.
I think 5.7 for an auto TLS, although possible, is a bit much, the cars seems to hang around the 6 sec range, give or take one. That's in line with the better numbers from the 5AT SH.
To the OP, I can't imagine the 6AT FWD TL for 2012 will be any slower than the previous 5AT TLS. IMO, the worst case is it will be the same and you can enjoy the extra gas mileage. If you want a little more, I would guess that Acura would want the SH to remain the sportier variant and maybe re-emphasize that this time around as the current models are fairly similar in that regard, so the 6AT SH should retain it's shorter final drive (maybe even more agreesive than now) and obviously the added traction compared to the FWD but we'll see soon enough.
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02-11-2011, 02:44 PM
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I would also bet that the gearing matches the 6MT closely, maybe more centered on fuel economy, but would expect to see sub 6-sec 0-60 closer to the 6MT. But I agree with Ken, if you're looking for a 0-60 car, a two ton sport sedan should not be on your list. A few tenths of a second probably won't even be noticeable to the "butt dyno".
Seriously I saw a vid of a CTS-V drag strip monster: quater mile in 9.85 sec, that's pretty retarded for a 4300 lbs 6AT sedan.
Personally, I think the SH-AWD TL does a good impersonation of a pratical sport car and we can use it all year around...
02-11-2011, 02:51 PM
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Numbers in general are all over the place. You could find at least a .5 sec difference depending on who's testing and all the other variables involved on almost any car. The TL SH auto for example, has shown a range 0f 0-60 from 5.9-6.5 and 1/4 high of 14.3 to a low of 15.1.
I think 5.7 for an auto TLS, although possible, is a bit much, the cars seems to hang around the 6 sec range, give or take one. That's in line with the better numbers from the 5AT SH.
To the OP, I can't imagine the 6AT FWD TL for 2012 will be any slower than the previous 5AT TLS. IMO, the worst case is it will be the same and you can enjoy the extra gas mileage. If you want a little more, I would guess that Acura would want the SH to remain the sportier variant and maybe re-emphasize that this time around as the current models are fairly similar in that regard, so the 6AT SH should retain it's shorter final drive (maybe even more agreesive than now) and obviously the added traction compared to the FWD but we'll see soon enough.
I think 5.7 for an auto TLS, although possible, is a bit much, the cars seems to hang around the 6 sec range, give or take one. That's in line with the better numbers from the 5AT SH.
To the OP, I can't imagine the 6AT FWD TL for 2012 will be any slower than the previous 5AT TLS. IMO, the worst case is it will be the same and you can enjoy the extra gas mileage. If you want a little more, I would guess that Acura would want the SH to remain the sportier variant and maybe re-emphasize that this time around as the current models are fairly similar in that regard, so the 6AT SH should retain it's shorter final drive (maybe even more agreesive than now) and obviously the added traction compared to the FWD but we'll see soon enough.
2009 TL SH-AWD 5AT
R&T 5.9/ 14.4
C&D 6.0/ 14.7
And yes, we'll see soon enough with some test results.
02-11-2011, 02:55 PM
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I speak from experience when I say that from a stop, my Base model loses all it's steam due to the wheels slipping (esp when it's raining). Either the wheels slip or I need to ease in on the throttle which makes it impossible to acclerate quickly from a stop. My SHAWD did not have this problem rain or shine.
02-11-2011, 02:56 PM
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I speak from experience when I say that from a stop, my Base model loses all it's steam due to the wheels slipping (esp when it's raining). Either the wheels slip or I need to ease in on the throttle which makes it impossible to acclerate quickly from a stop. My SHAWD did not have this problem rain or shine.
02-11-2011, 03:05 PM
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I drove the 4G TL FWD and I saw very little torque steering......it is safe to say that if the car is properly designed, a FWD platform (about the size of the TL and its competitors) can digest up to 300 horses with no problem.
I test drove the new Maxima and it was almost flawless too.
Now if we talk about 545 or M5 ballpark, that is a different story.
But like you said, the TL is a practical sport sedan...
02-11-2011, 10:35 PM
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Here's MotorTrend's result of 6.5
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ict/index.html
Don't believe in numbers on paper? Well, my 5.5 GS spanked a 3rd Gen a month back, and this is after he shot out of the hole while the light was still red. No matter, I reeled him in, and wave bye-bye as I went by. Afterwards, I wanted to comment on his behavior, but he wouldn't roll his window down, and eventually made a u-turn. So, if a 3rd Gen is a 5's vehicle then it would have put up a much better showing against a 5.5 GS.
02-11-2011, 10:57 PM
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For a 6MT, the 5's are a little optimistic, but believable. The OP, however, said a low to mid 5 for an auto, which is totally unrealistic.
Here's MotorTrend's result of 6.5
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ict/index.html
Don't believe in numbers on paper? Well, my 5.5 GS spanked a 3rd Gen a month back, and this is after he shot out of the hole while the light was still red. No matter, I reeled him in, and wave bye-bye as I went by. Afterwards, I wanted to comment on his behavior, but he wouldn't roll his window down, and eventually made a u-turn. So, if a 3rd Gen is a 5's vehicle then it would have put up a much better showing against a 5.5 GS.
Here's MotorTrend's result of 6.5
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ict/index.html
Don't believe in numbers on paper? Well, my 5.5 GS spanked a 3rd Gen a month back, and this is after he shot out of the hole while the light was still red. No matter, I reeled him in, and wave bye-bye as I went by. Afterwards, I wanted to comment on his behavior, but he wouldn't roll his window down, and eventually made a u-turn. So, if a 3rd Gen is a 5's vehicle then it would have put up a much better showing against a 5.5 GS.
02-12-2011, 07:02 AM
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R&T's times for the 6MT TL (2010) are identical to C&D's. It's a 5.2 car 0-60. Plenty quick.
02-12-2011, 08:41 AM
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02-12-2011, 01:14 PM
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For a 6MT, the 5's are a little optimistic, but believable. The OP, however, said a low to mid 5 for an auto, which is totally unrealistic.
I don't think that's unrealistic based on what we have already seen and given the addition of another gear and what that has done to other Acura models but we will need to see a few test results to be sure.
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02-12-2011, 02:27 PM
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Edit: ehh. Maybe not. I was thinking of this one: http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...b477099096.pdf
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02-12-2011, 07:56 PM
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02-13-2011, 12:28 AM
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That was a Type-S right 6MT right? Not Base 6 MT.
Edit: ehh. Maybe not. I was thinking of this one: http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...b477099096.pdf
Edit: ehh. Maybe not. I was thinking of this one: http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...b477099096.pdf
I think that was a base 6MT A-spec, not that the A-spec really made that much of difference than just a high performance tire model, which is what most of the times are usually based on anyway.
I have seen plenty of sub six seconds runs and low 14's, especially 14.2's, from just regular 3G base 6MT models.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
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I think that was a base 6MT A-spec, not that the A-spec really made that much of difference than just a high performance tire model, which is what most of the times are usually based on anyway.
I have seen plenty of sub six seconds runs and low 14's, especially 14.2's, from just regular 3G base 6MT models.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
I have seen plenty of sub six seconds runs and low 14's, especially 14.2's, from just regular 3G base 6MT models.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...fications.html
Right. I remember seeing that on too.
Which kind of gets tothe problem of "what is the 0 - 60 time?". They're all over the place.
A 2004 base MT does 5.7 AND a 2007 TL-S MT does 5.7? I just don't believe they're the same. I would expect a few tenths differential. Sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't.
Doesn't matter what year, what generation, what powertrain: numbers are all over the place and the best you can do is say 0 - 60 is about x.xx.
02-13-2011, 08:27 PM
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my main issue with the 2009+ TL was the lack of acceleration compared to my 2007 S-type. I can't bring myself to buy an updated version of a car that is actually slower. I know the manual transmission version is faster than my type s auto (5.2 vs. 5.7) but i wasn't looking for a manual. some have speculated that the 2012 6 speed auto will be faster than the 5 speed 2011. does anyone know this will be the case? if not, it's tempting to look at the g37 (5.1).
A very close friend of mine just confirmed the following performance stats:
- 0-60 5.45 with VSA engaged
- 0-60 5.59 with VSA off
- 1/4 mile 13.91 @ 103.4 mph
02-13-2011, 10:05 PM
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Yes it applies for AT. I am told that HP numbers are not changed, but the TQ curve is broader than in the 2009-2011 3.7 engines because of friction reducing and air intake improvements. Also MPG is 20/28. The gear ratios are almost identical to the Manual, so the performance between AT & Manual will be almost the same. A first for Acura!
02-13-2011, 10:38 PM
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Moneyman2011, you posted this in the other thread:
"Yes it applies for AT. I am told that HP numbers are not changed, but the TQ curve is broader than in the 2009-2011 3.7 engines because of friction reducing and air intake improvements. Also MPG is 20/28. The gear ratios are almost identical to the Manual, so the performance between AT & Manual will be almost the same. A first for Acura!"
Oh my goodness! The performance improvements are amazing! It's now about as fast as the G sedan, and the fuel economy is class-leading, right?!
I WANT A 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
"Yes it applies for AT. I am told that HP numbers are not changed, but the TQ curve is broader than in the 2009-2011 3.7 engines because of friction reducing and air intake improvements. Also MPG is 20/28. The gear ratios are almost identical to the Manual, so the performance between AT & Manual will be almost the same. A first for Acura!"
Oh my goodness! The performance improvements are amazing! It's now about as fast as the G sedan, and the fuel economy is class-leading, right?!
I WANT A 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
02-14-2011, 07:06 AM
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My friend is very close to the development team and as a promise to him, I will not disclose who it is, but you can be sure this information is material and credible. I can tell you that he said that performance numbers improve as the car breaks in after about 2500 miles. He said that although the service manual does not say that synthetic oil is required, the new engine modifications responded greatly to Valvoline or Mobile One lubricants. Another thing he said is that the changes are able to be felt in the seat of the pants if you drive a 2011 back to back with a 2012. The new 6 speed will kick down from 6th to 2nd or 5th to 2nd any gear into 1st if below 30mph in WOT. It blips the revs prior to engaging the gear as it in 2009 and later models. The 6 speed is the same in both SH-AWD and standard models. He said that standard models saw improvements in performance on par with 2011 to 2012 SH-AWD models. Lastly he said that the reduction in interior noise is very noticeable for all models.
02-14-2011, 09:38 AM
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