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Old 02-28-2019, 12:08 AM
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Advice on wheel spacers

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I run an 07 Type-S, stock suspension and wheels. I was thinking about putting on a set of hub centric spacers to broaden up the stance a little. Was going to pick up a set of ebay cheapos but then thought better of it & that there may be a good, loyal Acurazine vendor whom I could support with the purchase instead. I don't want to end up having to get new studs, did some thread searching but couldn't turn up a ton (tho I'm sure this has been asked here before...apologies in advance if this is SOOO "not again" for you long timers). I'm not looking for much, probably 5mm front/10mm rear. Can my car accommodate these and retain stock studs? By some accounts 5 or 10mm is ok with stock studs, by some others its not so. Just looking to tap into the body of knowledge here, all inputs appreciated.

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IMO, anything over 5mm needs longer studs.

As for the spacers, I bought 15mm hub centric bolt on spacers off ebay for my V & had no issues at all. As long as it's a quality material, I wouldn't be worried at all.
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These aren't the best pics of the stance but I picked up some hubcentric wheel adapters from eBay last summer.

+15 & +20mm f/r. Looks so much better with them than before.






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I have a set for the front OP for sale if interested.
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Originally Posted by jdmvette View Post
These aren't the best pics of the stance but I picked up some hubcentric wheel adapters from eBay last summer.

+15 & +20mm f/r. Looks so much better with them than before.





Wow, thanks for the pics. 15 & 20mm?? That's way more than what I thought I wanted/needed - but that's a pretty darn good look.
I wanted to do this job myself and I'm a mechidiot. Mostly I didn't want to have to change studs out b/c of not having the knowledge/experience/tools. Do the stockers just 'tap' out, or is that really more of a job for a professional?

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Originally Posted by EvilVirus View Post
I have a set for the front OP for sale if interested.
Consider me interested. Forgive a noob, what's "front OP"? What size?
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+1 for 15mm front and 20 mm rear. If i had to do it again i would ever go 20 mmm front and 25 mm rear

I bought Ichiba V2, been working for last 4 years.
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Wow, thanks for the pics. 15 & 20mm?? That's way more than what I thought I wanted/needed - but that's a pretty darn good look.
I wanted to do this job myself and I'm a mechidiot. Mostly I didn't want to have to change studs out b/c of not having the knowledge/experience/tools. Do the stockers just 'tap' out, or is that really more of a job for a professional?
You don't have to change the studs out at all. The adapters have studs built in. I got something like these and it took as long as it takes to take the wheels on/off

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Custom-H...item28775e79d2

https://www.ebay.com/itm/20mm-Hubcen...item25b66212ef
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A little confused.
Originally Posted by teh CL View Post
IMO, anything over 5mm needs longer studs.
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You don't have to change the studs out at all.
Seems to be no shortage of conflicting information on this topic, including from the linked eBay auctioner you provided, jdmvette. If I can pick a set up, just install them & no messing with studs...great. But is that reality?

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there's a difference between spacers and adapters

the previous poster mentioned spacers needing longer studs, sure since spacers have no studs. I mentioned adapters, which have studs built in.

if nobody else chimes in before then, i'll take a pic of the TL tomorrow with a wheel pulled off.
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These are "Wheel Spacers"


These are "Wheel Adapters" but people still call them "Spacers"
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It's too damn cold to pull off the wheels tonight but here's a couple pics.

The adapter bolts to the stock hubs and the wheel bolts to the adapters. It's quite easy to do. Pics are front then rear




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Oh I see. So essentially there's now 10 lugs on each wheel instead of five?
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Correct
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Here's somebody installing a bunch of them for fun...
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I have the wheel "adaptors" on my 4G.

20mm front / 25mm rear. makes the car look so much better when you look from the rear or quarter angles and can see the "flush" or lack of flushness.... once you see a car w/out them the wheels look all sunken in and weak.

it would be better to just get new wheels that are wider with the right offset to make it wider and flush..but the wheel adaptors just push out your OEM wheels to make them fill out the wheel wells.
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Originally Posted by mazen222 View Post
+1 for 15mm front and 20 mm rear. If i had to do it again i would ever go 20 mmm front and 25 mm rear

I bought Ichiba V2, been working for last 4 years.
Except for when you broke a stud right mazen222
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Except for when you broke a stud right mazen222
lol... yeaaa...
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Wheel spacer install gone bad

After posting an inquiry a couple of weeks ago I decided to go ahead with 15mm aluminum spacers in front (07 Type-S running stock 17-inchers), 20mm in back. Love the look. But. I just took her out for first drive since the install and MAN is there a lot of racket coming from up front. No idea what this could be. The install went cleanly ...how can it not? But there's a squeal and grind coming from up front which seems to be mildly worse under power than when coasting. I'm about to pull everything off and apart and inspect but - any ideas? Weird, weird stuff.
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Is your rotor dust shield rubbing?
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jack the car up and go under while manually turning the wheel and see what's rubbing


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Got it up and via manually turning the wheel there definitely is friction noise but nothing is visible at all. Which sort of makes sense - since the spacer pushes the wheel out farther away from the rest of the running gear - does it not? I'm assuming my issue must be internal & not visible from the outside. Improper stud length??
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What kind of spacers did you use? Type 2 or 1? is it possible that your brake calipers could just coincidentally be failing/rubbing? Are you on stock wheels? Can you look on the back side to see if the sudden offset has caused the brake shield (as mentioned before) is now rubbing against the inside of the rim.


You can also narrow things down by removing the wheel altogether and turning to see if the noise is there
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Originally Posted by thoiboi View Post
What kind of spacers did you use? Type 2 or 1? is it possible that your brake calipers could just coincidentally be failing/rubbing? Are you on stock wheels? Can you look on the back side to see if the sudden offset has caused the brake shield (as mentioned before) is now rubbing against the inside of the rim.

You can also narrow things down by removing the wheel altogether and turning to see if the noise is there
I went directly with jdmvette's ebay links provided earlier in this thread:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-Custom-H...item28775e79d2
https://www.ebay.com/itm/20mm-Hubcen...item25b66212ef
Just clicked & bought.

I think I found the issue out - but that discovery has created as many concerns as solved. I first pulled the driver's side front wheel then loosened the lugs holding the spacer onto the hub about a half turn, so maybe 1mm or so, and that seems to have cured it. But now since the spacer bolts to the hub, the wheel to the spacer, I'm concerned over the (spacer) not being thoroughly torqued on. I really don't want to be rolling down the road today and suddenly find myself rolling on 3 wheels!

Damn! Its always something, ain't it?!
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DO I EVER NEED SOME HELP, y'all!!

Installing thee spacers had turned my car into a cement mixer & I can't figure out why. They rub, grind, squeal, it now shakes upon braking and steering is like a Clydesdale. I put identical sized spacers on my last car (Maxima) and had zero issues. Couldn't even tell they were there. But this install is thoroughly jacked up. I know others of you are running the same set up, is anyone else swimming in these waters, or did you? If so what was the fix? Tho not the most mechanically inclined guy in the world - I can't see how you can put them on incorrectly. They slip on, bold 'em down, put the wheel on, bolt it on, done. Anyone? Anything??
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Sounds to me like those space were not exactly hubcentric like they stated, I also bought some cheap one which is fine but about 500 miles later I had a terrible vibration on the highway like the wheels were going to fall off. Upon inspection the spacers were loose in the front. Make sure they are torqued down all the way. they need to be very tight.
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Originally Posted by 90foxnotch View Post
Sounds to me like those space were not exactly hubcentric like they stated, I also bought some cheap one which is fine but about 500 miles later I had a terrible vibration on the highway like the wheels were going to fall off. Upon inspection the spacers were loose in the front. Make sure they are torqued down all the way. they need to be very tight.
Yeh but if they're tight and torqued all the way then the rub. : (
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Yeh but if they're tight and torqued all the way then the rub. : (
Is it hub centric?


Could just be poor workmanship
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sorry you're having such issues with your car

i couldn't find the exact same listing but these are the same adapters from the same vendor I used for rear (x2 not x4 in link)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/4pc-20mm-3-...item4d527e46e8

I couldn't find the same ones from the same vendor on the front ones but to be honest, I just picked them randomly on ebay.

since your car is giving you fits, put it back to stock and avoid the trouble.
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since your car is giving you fits, put it back to stock and avoid the trouble.
Could do that jdm, but I bought the spacers for a reason. I've narrowed it down to the driver's front, the other 3 seem to be ok.
So you had no install issues nor any since with yours? Do you feel a noticeable difference in steering and ride after install?
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I went with Proteg wheel spacers from Bruce @ endlessrpm. I had my TL dropped on Tein coilovers and at the same time installed the spacers to make wheels sit flush.
15mm up front, 25 in the rear.

I had vibration issues before, when going through mid range speeds and gears 1-3. Not sure if I've just grown use to it now, but I don't notice them as much.
Also, after speaking with members on here, I was told that vibrations are normal after being lowered.

Maybe browse endlessrpm.com if your looking to swap out your spacers, they are a solid build quality and have extended lugs
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^^no sir, no issues at all in the year or so I've had them on.

Just came back from a trip to the grand canyon and the drive was as smooth as butter.
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