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Old 06-17-2009, 08:19 PM
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What 19" specs will give you the flush look? Info here.

So many people are striving to achieve that "flush" look, by which the rim sits perfectly in line with the fender.. I created this thread to provide info on what specifications on 19" wheels will deliver that look, and pictures to go along with that information.

*This information is for the rear.

All of you should know that I have been through a myriad of different sets of wheels.. and from all, I have found that my Volk LE37T set up was the most flush. When the car is in the air, there IS poke, but without any camber kits (natural camber), the rear wheel sat flush, 2-4mm poke at most.

The specifications on the rear were the following:

F: 19x8.5 +22
R: 19x9.5 +22

Here are pics:







By simple math, I compared my set up to ballinfizzles, who had:

19x9.5 +32
19x10 +30

The difference was 2mm, which is close to nil.
Here are pics of his set up:









Now, these sizes (9.5 & 10) are very common sizes to run in the rear so those offsets will deliver flushness.

Comparatively, if you wanted to run an 8.5 and achieve a flush look, the specs would have to be:

19x8.5 +9

For a 9" width:

19x9 +16

For a 10.5" width:

19x10.5 +35

All this isn't phenomenal, it's just math. Happy wheel shopping!
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great information Brian and i know this will help everyone in there quest to get the most flush wheel to there liking.
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This might have been good information if you had taken into account the following issues:

Rubbing
Fender Rolling
Stretched Tires

With the specs you provided, rubbing will occur without the rear fenders rolled and/or if you do not have stretched tires. Seeing as tho the majority of people on here are not going to stretch a 225 tire on a 9.5" wheel or a 235 tire on a 10" wheel, and the majority of them do not/will not have their rear fenders rolled, this information is close to useless.

BUT, for the few who do have the fenders rolled and do not mind stretching tires beyond belief, nice thread
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Originally Posted by ASASN21
This might have been good information if you had taken into account the following issues:

Rubbing
Fender Rolling
Stretched Tires

With the specs you provided, rubbing will occur without the rear fenders rolled and/or if you do not have stretched tires. Seeing as tho the majority of people on here are not going to stretch a 225 tire on a 9.5" wheel or a 235 tire on a 10" wheel, and the majority of them do not/will not have their rear fenders rolled, this information is close to useless.

BUT, for the few who do have the fenders rolled and do not mind stretching tires beyond belief, nice thread
I was actually going to mention the fenders and tires but forgot to

Me and ballinfizzle both have our fenders rolled and will be required to fit these spec wheels... Stretching of tires is a must as well; a 275/30-19 tire fits perfect for a 9.5 but that will look silly and rubbing will occur even if fenders are rolled with that size...

225 and 235 series tires are a must.
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You can still run a 275/30R19 tire on a 10.5 wide rim with an offset between +40 & +43 of course you'd have to roll the rear fender and run a slight negative camber.

rear 19x10.5 wide rim +43 wheel offset & 275/30R19 tires below... lowered...

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^What's your front spec again?
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not a fan of "poke" or stretching tires at all but DAMN GOOD info....
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Originally Posted by bforbrian
So many people are striving to achieve that "flush" look, by which the rim sits perfectly in line with the fender.. I created this thread to provide info on what specifications on 19" wheels will deliver that look, and pictures to go along with that information.

*This information is for the rear.

All of you should know that I have been through a myriad of different sets of wheels.. and from all, I have found that my Volk LE37T set up was the most flush. When the car is in the air, there IS poke, but without any camber kits (natural camber), the rear wheel sat flush, 2-4mm poke at most.

The specifications on the rear were the following:

F: 19x8.5 +22
R: 19x9.5 +22

Here are pics:







By simple math, I compared my set up to ballinfizzles, who had:

19x9.5 +32
19x10 +30

The difference was 2mm, which is close to nil.
Here are pics of his set up:









Now, these sizes (9.5 & 10) are very common sizes to run in the rear so those offsets will deliver flushness.

Comparatively, if you wanted to run an 8.5 and achieve a flush look, the specs would have to be:

19x8.5 +9

For a 9" width:

19x9 +16

For a 10.5" width:

19x10.5 +35

All this isn't phenomenal, it's just math. Happy wheel shopping!
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this is a thread about being flush... NOT TIRES...

besides these are mild stretches, a 235 on a 10 aint that bad... now a 225 on a 10 is coocoo for coco puffs
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so if i ran a 19x9, 19x10 setup, what would the offset for the front have to be? and the rear would be 19x10 with a +30 right?
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Originally Posted by av_sick
so if i ran a 19x9, 19x10 setup, what would the offset for the front have to be? and the rear would be 19x10 with a +30 right?
Thats been answered in the first post. 19x9 needs a +16 in order to be flush
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Originally Posted by Toddy
Thats been answered in the first post. 19x9 needs a +16 in order to be flush
Legit question, he was asking for the front.

I found that for the front, a 9.5" width +30 will be flush.
In terms of a 9" width, +24 would be the offset of choice.

Remember, this enables you to kiss the lip of the wheel with the edge of the fender. If you run tires that are flush with the wheels, YOU WILL RUB, lol.

With flushness, you will have to stretch tires.

Btw, my rear fenders are rolled and slightly flared out so give about ~3-4mm of more give if your fenders are stock when calculating the math. In other words, a 9.5" wide wheel on stock fenders should have roughly a +25 offset.
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Originally Posted by bforbrian
Legit question, he was asking for the front.

I found that for the front, a 9.5" width +30 will be flush.
In terms of a 9" width, +24 would be the offset of choice.

Remember, this enables you to kiss the lip of the wheel with the edge of the fender. If you run tires that are flush with the wheels, YOU WILL RUB, lol.

With flushness, you will have to stretch tires.

Btw, my rear fenders are rolled and slightly flared out so give about ~3-4mm of more give if your fenders are stock when calculating the math. In other words, a 9.5" wide wheel on stock fenders should have roughly a +25 offset.
My bad. I thought that it would be the same all around. You should specified
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thanks for the info your set up is exactly what im looking for..
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Brian, those Le37Ts you got.. sorry man new to this thing. Ive seen other LE37T''s and the spokes look flush like flat is you were to look at them like how your pics show, but your looks like there out going towards the hub, is it because of the offset? cuz thats what im looking for. pls help thanks...
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Newb question, but if I wanted the flush look couldn't I just add spacers? I'm interested in keeping mostly stock- I'm just considering a drop to eliminate wheel gap and spacers for some flush look. That would work, right?
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Originally Posted by -eRKs-
Brian, those Le37Ts you got.. sorry man new to this thing. Ive seen other LE37T''s and the spokes look flush like flat is you were to look at them like how your pics show, but your looks like there out going towards the hub, is it because of the offset? cuz thats what im looking for. pls help thanks...
Yes, it's called concavity and it has to do with width and offset both.
A +22 offset will usually give you concavity (and less, volk makes +12 as well).

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Newb question, but if I wanted the flush look couldn't I just add spacers? I'm interested in keeping mostly stock- I'm just considering a drop to eliminate wheel gap and spacers for some flush look. That would work, right?
Yes, that would work, it's just math.
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i have a 19x8.5 +24 sits perfectly flush
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Originally Posted by STeelTL
i have a 19x8.5 +24 sits perfectly flush
I doubt it... my 19x8.5 +22 up front wasn't even flush to the front fender, and it's no where near flush for the rear. I'm not talking flush to the tire, flush to the lip of the wheel
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I have a question:

What are the specs necessary to be "flush" while running OEM camber specs, not stretching tires, and having no negative side-effects regarding the accuracy of the car's speedometer, all while running 19's?
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nice thread bump. Ok so I got 19x8.5 axis shine offset +35. Not sure if I wanna go for the "flush" look or not but thought about it. Got 15mm spacers up front and 20 in the back making final offsets +20 and +15. I am only 1.5" lowered all around with -2.3 degrees camber in the rear(no camber kit just natural camber from lowering the car). Rolling fenders is a must obviously but i was wondering if I was to go this route, what size tires would I need to get. Could I get away with 235/35 all around or would I have to go down to 225 or even 215?
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BFORBRIAN,

that's the tire size you are running in that first pic on this page? And you are probably lower than me so could I get away with a next tire size up being only 1.5" lower than stock. Because with spacers I would be at the same offset as you (2mm off)

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This thread has been super helpful. Just got new set of wheels that are 19X9.5 with +25 all around wraped in 235-35's. I know the rears will be fine, but what issues if any will i have with the fronts? Also what size spacer for the rear to get it even more flush? (I have Megan Racing coilovers too. )

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Yea if B can answer my questions from a post up that would be great. I forgot all about this and its time to get tires
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Originally Posted by princelybug
I have a question:

What are the specs necessary to be "flush" while running OEM camber specs, not stretching tires, and having no negative side-effects regarding the accuracy of the car's speedometer, all while running 19's?
Accuracy of the odo? lol

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nice thread bump. Ok so I got 19x8.5 axis shine offset +35. Not sure if I wanna go for the "flush" look or not but thought about it. Got 15mm spacers up front and 20 in the back making final offsets +20 and +15. I am only 1.5" lowered all around with -2.3 degrees camber in the rear(no camber kit just natural camber from lowering the car). Rolling fenders is a must obviously but i was wondering if I was to go this route, what size tires would I need to get. Could I get away with 235/35 all around or would I have to go down to 225 or even 215?
Look at your wheel gap. 19x8.5 +20 I would highly recommend 225/35s. For the rears you can probably get away with 235/35s. 1.5" is a common drop and isn't considered 'slammed' so 225 and 235 respectively should keep you safe.

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BFORBRIAN,

that's the tire size you are running in that first pic on this page? And you are probably lower than me so could I get away with a next tire size up being only 1.5" lower than stock. Because with spacers I would be at the same offset as you (2mm off)

thanks
The first pic I had 215/35 and 225/35 front and rear respectively.

Originally Posted by chopstix
This thread has been super helpful. Just got new set of wheels that are 19X9.5 with +25 all around wraped in 235-35's. I know the rears will be fine, but what issues if any will i have with the fronts? Also what size spacer for the rear to get it even more flush? (I have Megan Racing coilovers too. )
If you are ridiculously low, you will probably rub on turns on driveways and dips. When I ran 18x9.5 +22 TE37s all around, with 225/40-18 tires, the fronts rubbed frequently (although the horrible ability of goodyears to stretch was the major problem). 3mm is still pretty close. Choose a good stretch tire, and do not drop the car aggressively. 19x9.5 +25 with 235/35 will still give you problems up front (not in the rear); I highly recommend 225/35 (if you're into that kind of thing).
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Ok thanks man I guess I'll just got 235/35 all around without spacers then when I get to rolling fenders I'll see how it looks with spacers
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Thanks B. I won't be slamming the car, so Ill see how the 235's will work. Thanks for your help.
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Originally Posted by bforbrian
Accuracy of the odo? lol
No, B. I said "speedometer", but it'll affect the odometer as well. If you get too far off of the stock tire size, the speedometer will either read too slow, or too fast.

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Ok thanks man I guess I'll just got 235/35 all around without spacers then when I get to rolling fenders I'll see how it looks with spacers
If you care about an accurate speedometer reading, and you want 19's, I'd get 19x8.5's, and put 235/35's on them. 235/35/19's are very close to 235/45/17's in overall tire sidewall size. It'll keep your speedometer reading accurate.

Of course, this matters only if you care. If you don't, then any size will do, as long as you can get it to fit.
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Originally Posted by princelybug
No, B. I said "speedometer", but it'll affect the odometer as well. If you get too far off of the stock tire size, the speedometer will either read too slow, or too fast.



If you care about an accurate speedometer reading, and you want 19's, I'd get 19x8.5's, and put 235/35's on them. 235/35/19's are very close to 235/45/17's in overall tire sidewall size. It'll keep your speedometer reading accurate.

Of course, this matters only if you care. If you don't, then any size will do, as long as you can get it to fit.
Yea I already have the wheels, 19x8.5 and probably gonna get the 235/35/19. Then down the road I will just put the 15mm spacer in the back and leave the front the way it is. Not looking to poke the wheels and run too skinny of a tire, at least for the time being.
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brian,

im going for a 18x9.5 et38 setup on a 08 tls lowered about 2.5in. what tire size recommendations 245 40 18?
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brian,

im going for a 18x9.5 et38 setup on a 08 tls lowered about 2.5in. what tire size recommendations 245 40 18?
If your fenders are stock I would go 235/40.


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