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How do you feel about BC? Tein still better?

03max6spd

Hey whats up, been skimming through your thread gathering info as im new here. Could you provide more info on camber kits and if they are needed for anything lower than a 2 inch drop? im coming from a nissan maxima which doesnt use camber kits on front or rear suspension. Im picking up a TL type S soon and was curious on which coilovers to get. i came from BC racing rode great although i had polyurethan mounts everywhere on the car and im now looking for a more comfy ride. Anyone else here rode on coilovers on pillowball mounts that can provide feedback? im stuck between BC, Tein SS or the TEIN flex coilovers.

EATSLEEPRACE

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I currently still re-sell and install the teins SA. It is truly a good reliable coilover.
if you want the most comfort stick with teins. BC is a great coilover also, in my opinion it's more on the peformance side rather than comfort.
pillowball mounts won't ride as comftorble as your stock tophats.

03max6spd

Hmm, well seeing as im trying to leave performance a might just go with the Ss teins. My max has a high compression built motor with cams, had gtr injectors, aem 320 pump the whole nine lol so yeah Comfort is what i want. Would i need a camber kit? and how much do you charge to install?

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sockr1

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the pillowball mounts won't make it feel any different than the tein SA coilovers with top hats. i currently have the flex and they are awesome. no harshness at all. previously i had the tein ss. the only downside to the flex is that they are slightly underdamped and can bounce at times more than it should (it's not horrible just not ideal). i don't know about the TEIN SA dampening.

if i didn't have a full TEIN edfc wireless setup, i would have gone with BC. i hear it's a great ride. but overall i love my flex.

03max6spd

Underdamped? thats so strange, ive never heard of that. All of the tein flex models do it? im so used to the pillow ball mounts so im torn between the teins or the BC.

sockr1

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yea overall they're pretty good but sometimes if you get some highway dips it can be a little underdamped. this is for the TL specific version, i can't talk to any other car models. like i said, it's not perfect, but i love my flex. if you are not using an edfc setup and don't care about preload adjustments, i would go BC or tein SA. tein SA is by far the best deal financially.

03max6spd

Could you describe what you mean by underdamped? and yeah after riding BC coilovers for so long im leaning toward the Tein SA the edfc is so damn expensive, i fear in the future if i did try to sell i would take a loss. 02-03 maximas have a rear beam solid axle in the rear and lower control arms in the front, Not nearly as many suspension components as the TL. My guess is the BC would ride way better on the TL than on the maxima, i know im not gonna slam the car but theres a guys TL i saw on here, black with blue lugs, i think his name is rockstar, his drop to me is ideal for new york roads, nothing lower! and how do the camber kits work, would i NEED one or can i go without?

sockr1

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underdamped in that they didn't fully spec out the weight of the front end of the TL so there tends to be a little more vertical distance travelled than you would think. like i said, i'm making it sound worse than it is. it's still a great coilover. i just think they should have made the shock a little more firm so that the car didn't dip down and up so far on a bounce. using general terms and arbitrary numbers, on dips, it dips 3" when it should really only dip 2"....again random numbers but to show you what i mean by underdamped.

if i was looking at cost and/or EDFC....i'd go street advance.

if i was looking at having the most adjustments and fine tweaking possible and/or EDFC or looking to go as low as possible with most comfort...street flex (the huge benefit is because there is a preload adjustment, you will get more comfort compared to street advance because the flex has separate preload...as you lower street advance you preload the spring more resulting in a harsher ride. the flex allows you to keep that same preload no matter what height you are at...this was a HUGE selling point to me)

if i was looking at overall performance that comes with swift springs and custom spring rates without regards to cost....BC

you can go without a camber kit most people do unless you're over 2.25 inches dropped. i have a camber kit on my rear wheels just to bring my rear camber from about -1.7 to -2 down to about -1 which is right in the middle of oem spec. not necessary but i like to stay at oem specs when i can.

03max6spd

Ahhhhhhhhh okay okay now i got it. See now im torn, cause ive driven cars with independent rear suspension on coilovers with pillowball mounts and they are comfy as hell! i have a friend that is a vendor for BC racing so i can get them through him, the lack of adjustments on the SA has me thinking reconsidering but all im focused on his comfort at this point, but at the same time i want them to be stiff when im ready to do some spirited driving. ill definitely invest in a rear camber kit when as time goes on.

sockr1

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yea to be honest i felt no more harshness on the flex pillowball mounts than i did the tein ss with oem top hats. they still have an NVH pad in there. that's nice that you have a friend who's a vendor for BC, i really like that they offer custom spring rates and have an option for swift springs, which i hear are the best in the industry.

just to clear things up you can still adjust stiffness with street advance. you just can't adjust preload which is fine for most people. but i went with the flex because of the separate preload. allows me to dial in what i want more and no matter how low i go i won't make the ride harsher in regards to spring preload (my whole reason for going from tein ss to flex was to make a more comfortable ride which it did). i just wish it traveled up/down less on large bumps, but OVERALL they are amazing. i use the tein EDFC wireless setup (my review and DIY here: https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-t...review-923959/) and it's perfect for me...aggressive and stiff when driving alone, softened up when with my wife and family.

03max6spd

So if there is no harshness difference in the pillowball mounts ill probably go with the BC racing then, ill shoot my friend a text now. I do like the preload option as well, although i dont see myself messing with it too much. But id rather atleast have the option ya know? and yeah man the EDFC is freakin awesome, sadly i dont think im gonna go that far in with the suspension, just coilovers for now. Im gonna do exhaust stuff, headlight stuff and audio so i want the money i get from my current car partout equally address the things i listed. The flex sound awesome but the fact its under dampened is a nono for new york roads, and there are plenty of bumps and scary last min dips i can already see happening lol so i think im gonna go with the BC.

03max6spd

Btw do you have any pics of your Vleds? wanna see how they look on the car, i have vleds on my current car and love them.

sockr1

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sent you a PM so we don't clutter up this thread

nice man! make a review thread if you put on the BCs...i'm interested to get your thoughts on it and how you like it compared to other coilovers you've had in the past!
i would probably go the same route if i had NY roads! i was there this past summer and i couldn't believe how bad the roads are there. to be honest, i wouldn't even have the TL there, i would just buy a beater car

03max6spd

Haha thanks man i sure will, my maxima had BC racing coilovers and they road amazing but the suspension geometry on the maxima and TL are completely different. The maxima i believe has Mcpherson strut setup, and rear beam solid axle in the rear.

The TL i believe has independent rear suspension, rear upper and lower control arms, so more moving parts for comfort, mean while the maxima only has lower control arms in the front, plus i had polyurethane bushings in the control arms, subframe, engine mounts etc and low profile tires which made for a sometimes rough ride, but the BCs rode great. Im just wondering if they will ride less harsh on the TL, which i think they will!

And yeah man im a native new yorker so im used to it, my pothole dodging skills are tested daily lol ive seen slammed cars riding on the parkway and im like HOW man!!! Wish i had money for a beater, the tl will be the daily but i want it comfy but sporty at the same time!

03max6spd

Hey bud after much deliberation ive decided to go with the Tein SA but with the Type s top mounts, picking up the car in a week or so.

When i get the coilovers how much do you charge to install?

thoiboi

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03max6spd

Whoops, sorry...

t-rd

I have a question regarding the dust boot's installation. The installation manual that comes with TEIN states to install the dust boot right on top of the bump stop, this leaves a blank space in the middle where the strut's shaft is exposed. I have also seen a different installation with the boot over the first silver washer, this covers the entire shaft of the strut.

Which installation method is correct? thanks.

BROlando

The way tein states to do it is correct. Because:

You don't want to use nuts/bolts to crush rubber.

The bumpstop travels toward the tophat and will pull/push the boot with it to cover the shaft. You will hit the bumpstop on probably the first test drive. So...it will cover the shock shaft up for you.

Or...just grab the bumpstop and run it up by hand.

EATSLEEPRACE

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Glad to see the thread still alive!,and aziners are being very helpful......I have a new type s I'm working on after leaving and excited to be back.

t-rd

So is it correct to say that the OEM setup is the same? Because it looks different from the assembling diagram and I have inspected the OEM HFP setup. I'm doing this on an 07 Accord V6, which virtually has the same setup as the TL. The OEM HFP suspension is pretty shot and it's finally time to move to Tein Advanced.

BROlando

The stock dust cover has a metal collar. It isn't all rubber.

Ideally, you'd want the dust cover to travel with the shock shaft (similar to OEM).

However, for TEIN, this would be a more expensive way to make them. The old Superstreets used to have this type of construction (IIRC). But superstreets were $1100. The SA and SAZ has gone through a cost reduction in ways that least effect the performance of the shock. One thing they did was make the full length dust boots out of rubber.

So you have to assemble them differently. Follow the Tein manual on assembly. Don't assemble them like the OEM dust cover because they are not constructed in the same manner.

t-rd

ahhh I see!! So I did assemble them correctly. Here is a picture of the Advanced with new OE top hat, washers, bushings. Thanks so much for your help!