handy911

Down to those 2 tires, based on reviews + ratings on Tirerack.

Which one should I choose? I know the Sumi are summer tires, but I think both are pretty comparable as to the rest. Similar price too.

Thanks!

Turbonut

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The choices aren't great. The Summi III, naturally, is a summer tire with a wear rating of only 300, along with a section width of only 9.4", tread width of 8.3", and that is small by comparisons. The DWS has been bitten by the soft sidewall slogan, and depending on the level of being a car guy/gal would depend on the purchase. Want a soft tire that might give you a smoother, softer ride and compromise handling, it might be the way to go, but I'd steer clear, especially since the TL is more "sport" oriented, but as I said before, some wouldn't notice the difference if a rubber tube were to be installed on the car.

Plenty of threads on the DWS if you search, some good, some not so good.

In the UHP A/S category, if you want to stay away from the high end tires that most are excellent, take a look at the W4s that has a whopping 9.2" tread width in the 245/45-17. Decent tire, decent price.

Steven Bell

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Turbonut, I've read where the Continental DW (not the DWS) are a stronger/stiffer sidewall. What's your opinion of those?

vinnier6

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the continental dw is a summer tire, the dws is an a/s tire...either way, good luck getting the dws as its on back order everywhere until june, according to continental....

4SFED

I just had a set of DW installed. Stock size 235/45-17. So far they are a good tire (only a couple of hundred miles). Very good dry traction, have not been able to see how they do in the wet as it finally quit raining here. Sidewall is a little soft so the steering has just a tiny bit of numbness when entering a turn but is very progressive after that. For the everyday driver they will not notice. They are a million times better than the Bridgestone Turinza (sp) that came on the car. For the money, very pleased.

Turbonut

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Got to admit I'm not familiar with the DW, but after looking at the specs, both are 95W as are most UHP A/S tires, so the load rating/speed ratings are the same. Once again the Conti proves to be underweight, as the DW is 23 lbs. and the DWS 24lbs. Compare that to the BS960 29 lbs, or the Yoko S.4 at 27 lbs. Can't make a blanket statement that just because of the weight, the tires will squirm more, but obviously something is deficient within the carcass.
Haven't tried this on the Conti, but an archaic test, stand the tire upright and push down on the tread with your fist and see if the will give, and pull in and out on the sidewalls to see flexing. Some UHP tires won't move at all, some will, but an H & T rated tires can be folded inward.

Just my opinion. Guess i had better check out the Conti's to see what they are like.

Steven Bell

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Darn, the DW is a summer tire???? That doesn't help me-I need an all season tire.

handy911

Thanks. Right, the DWS is on back order.

Now, I am leaning towards Sumi HTRZ III or Yokohama W4. I am comparing based on rating, review, and price only. So, summer or all season doesn't really matter to me.

Aside from the tread wear, the Sumi seem to be good all around (traction, comfort / noise). And they are about $20 cheaper than the W4s.

Turbonut

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The Sumi is smaller in all dimensions, and you won't be able to use them if the temps dip into the low 30's. Saving money isn't always the best in the long run.
If you want to save money look at these:
245/45-17
Diamondback TR968 $64
Sunny SN3800 $65
Sumi HTRZ $71
Sumi HTRZII $73
Rotalla F107 $78
GT Radial CHAMPIRO 328 $78
Wanli S1088 $85
Falken ZE-502 $86
Fuzion HRi $87
Then we get into the more recognized brands.

handy911

yeah, $70 is probably not much of a saving anyways. I'll go with the W4s.

But, I wasn't concerned about the Sumi, since I live in LA

ny747pilot

Had the Yokohoma W4S on my TL... not bad in ride, didnt love the handling. MAJOR DRAWBACK: rear tires were bald on the inside prior to 6000 miles and thats with a proper alignment, balance and rotation (every five to six thousand miles). Will never buy them again. However, that may have just been a bad set.

Turbonut

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Sorry, but that is flat out impossible. A tire cannot be worn out on the inside and the vehicle is within the correct alignment specifications. Better get anither alignment shop. Give it some thought, if you felt it was the tire, then why didn't the fronts wear out on the inside????????????????

sixsixfour

I dont have experience with the Continental DW, but when I wanted to get one when I got rid of my OEM Michelins they were out of stock.

I got the Sumitomo HTRZ IIIs and they are very close in handling and braking characteristics to the OEM Yokohama ADVAN A046 from the Evo VIII/IX. the only comment I have against it is the slightly softer sidewall, and I do stress slightly. otherwise, the good treadwear rating, acceptable levels of grip and improved braking performance are all pluses to me, not to mention the readily affordable price.

ChairmanKaga809

I can't comment for our cars, but I have the DWS on my RSX-S and I did notice that the sidewall is much softer than what I was previously on (Falken 512's). However the DWS's are much quieter, and with all the driving I do for work this was a blessing.

I do miss taking onramps/turns a little harder though. The DWS's stick but there's a bit more roll than I'd like.

avs007

I have the DWS on my wife's TL now... My wife claims she can take corners better with the DWS then she could when it had Potenza RE960AS... and according to the tire installer, the sidewalls on the RE960AS is one of the stiffest in it's class. Although the RE960AS were 235/45-17, the DWS are 245/35-19

07tl-s6spd

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this is so true........

Turbonut

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Take a look at the specs on the BS 960's. The tread width is 1.3" less than the DWS, and that is on each tire. This is one reason I make suggestions to stay away from the BS tires as they have a small contact patch.

avs007

Yeah, I knew that. Only reason I got the RE960AS was becuase at the time it was the only UHP A/S that had a treadwear warranty, as the Pilot Sport A/S I was running on my G35 went bald after 20,000 miles, and I didn't want to pay for new tires every 20,000 miles.... But now that the DWS, Pilot Sport A/S Plus, and PZero Nero A/S, etc all have treadware warranties, I'll probably never buy RE960AS again... Was happy with the treadware tho..... Lasted 50,000 miles on the TL. So far on my G35 they are about half done at 20,000 miles, so they are faring better than the Pilot Sport A/S did.... But when those are done, I'll be getting Pilot Sport A/S Plus on my Coupe...